Rahne jumps off Titanic

[jtksu]

Wasn't Rahne the RB coach under Prince after Horton (?) left?  I was thinking he was the only guy not named Mo that was retained...

[MadCat]

Wasn't Rahne the RB coach under Prince after Horton (?) left?  I was thinking he was the only guy not named Mo that was retained...

I think he started as a GA here....where is Scott Frost these days?

Oregon....dammmit

[wazucat]

Slick Rick in Manhattan, the image in my mind of the cultural fit, very humorous  

[unleashthemob]

Franklin learned from the master, Ricky better keep a good eye on his old lady!

[j rake]

The Huggins model, if you can call it that, is probably best for K-State. Hire a guy who has been there, done that, and is interested in making one final run. Coaches I would put in this category include: Phil Fulmer (age 60), Dennis Erickson (age 63), Larry Coker (age 62), Dennis Franchione (age 59), Mike Riley (age 57), etc. I'm not suggesting that any or all of these coaches would be a good fit for K-State, but these are the types of coaches I think K-State should look at.

Expectations need to be reeled in considerably. The days of K-State being a 10- or 11-win program are over. The guys mentioned above would all be capable of getting them to 8-4 or 7-5 with the occasional 9- or 10-win season mixed in.

Last thing: If Pat Hill (age 57) gets let go at Fresno in the next few years, I think he'd be interesting.

sounds like you are making this more of a coaching retirement home than a place for damaged goods.  I don't think you quite grasp what the huggins model is based on who you listed.   this all reads like an argument for snyder than anything else.

All the guys I listed still have life in them, unlike Snyder, who smells like Brut and washes his hair with a bar of soap.

[felix rex]

I don't see how any of them fit the Huggins model.

Plus, if those guys couldn't win at Tennessee, Miami or aTm, why would they win here? And why would Mike Riley leave his version of K-State to start over?

[j rake]

I don't see how any of them fit the Huggins model.

Plus, if those guys couldn't win at Tennessee, Miami or aTm, why would they win here? And why would Mike Riley leave his version of K-State to start over?

Coker went 60-15 at Miami, won a national championship and finished in the top 5 three times in six years. He won 12, 12, 11, 9, 9 and 7. If you want to say the Canes got worse every year he was there, that's fair, but he deserves at least some of the credit for The U's success and it's worth noting that the Canes have been in decline ever since he left.

Fulmer went 152-52 at Tennessee and also won a national championship. He's had more than a handful of top 10's and has won 10 or more games nine times in 16 years. Like Coker, Fulmer's teams got worse toward the end, but I would argue that the SEC also got significantly better. Meyer and Saban became king, and LSU has held their own since Miles has been there, too.

They've won plenty.

The other guys I've mentioned—Riley, Erickson and Hill—would all be compelling hires if "forced out" of their current gigs. I'm not suggesting K-State would target them and I have no clue if those guys would even be interested. But those types of guys would bring instant credibility and would have—although not nearly to the same extent—a Huggins-like impact.

[felix rex]

I don't see how any of them fit the Huggins model.

Plus, if those guys couldn't win at Tennessee, Miami or aTm, why would they win here? And why would Mike Riley leave his version of K-State to start over?

Coker went 60-15 at Miami, won a national championship and finished in the top 5 three times in six years. He won 12, 12, 11, 9, 9 and 7. If you want to say the Canes got worse every year he was there, that's fair, but he deserves at least some of the credit for The U's success and it's worth noting that the Canes have been in decline ever since he left.

Fulmer went 152-52 at Tennessee and also won a national championship. He's had more than a handful of top 10's and has won 10 or more games nine times in 16 years. Like Coker, Fulmer's teams got worse toward the end, but I would argue that the SEC also got significantly better. Meyer and Saban became king, and LSU has held their own since Miles has been there, too.

They've won plenty.

The other guys I've mentioned—Riley, Erickson and Hill—would all be compelling hires if "forced out" of their current gigs. I'm not suggesting K-State would target them and I have no clue if those guys would even be interested. But those types of guys would bring instant credibility and would have—although not nearly to the same extent—a Huggins-like impact.

I agree with they guy earlier who said they all sound more like the "Snyder model" than the "Huggins model".

And I'd be all for hiring Riley if he banged a co-ed or got busted with weed or something. That would be the Huggins model.

[j rake]

Snyder is 71. The other coaches listed — average age, 60 — at least have some years left in them.

[ELL3]

Erickson can't win at Arizona State, ever been to Tempe?
Pat Hill has not done much lately (did take the names off the uniforms though)
If this is done correctly, this will be an attractive job in a couple years
We will be pretty good if Tuggle is not awful and the Brown Boys are half as good as we think
Bill retires after a couple 8 or 9 win years and this job looks good
Of those names, Riley is the best., but he is a Beaver lifer (went to nfl and came back)
 

[felix rex]

Snyder is 71. The other coaches listed — average age, 60 — at least have some years left in them.

I guess I just thought the Huggins model meant a coach who had won in the past and was also still winning/recruiting and needed to rehab his image because of a character issue (grades/substance abuse/reckless behavior/all of the above). And the more baggage, the better coach we can land. Srsly. I hope we find out that the real reason Urban Meyer retired is for some terrible sin that only OKcat would joke about.

[j rake]

Snyder is 71. The other coaches listed — average age, 60 — at least have some years left in them.

I guess I just thought the Huggins model meant a coach who had won in the past and was also still winning/recruiting and needed to rehab his image because of a character issue (grades/substance abuse/reckless behavior/all of the above). And the more baggage, the better coach we can land. Srsly. I hope we find out that the real reason Urban Meyer retired is for some terrible sin that only OKcat would joke about.

Oh, well in that case, we don't have too many examples to work with in college football. The "Huggins model" type coaches as you've defined them:

—George O'Leary
—Rick Neuheisel
—Mike Price
—Mike Leach
—Rich Rod (coming soon...)
—I'm sure a few others

Leach, in my opinion, is the college football equivalent of Huggins. He could go anywhere and I'd guarantee that his program would have instant relevance and be a competitor on the national stage within three years. The other guys would give you a chance, but far from a guarantee, I suppose.

[felix rex]

—George O'Leary
—Rick Neuheisel
—Mike Price
—Mike Leach
—Rich Rod (coming soon...)
—I'm sure a few others

Leach, in my opinion, is the college football equivalent of Huggins. He could go anywhere and I'd guarantee that his program would have instant relevance and be a competitor on the national stage within three years. The other guys would give you a chance, but far from a guarantee, I suppose.

Yeah. I would love Leach or Rich Rod. Is O'Leary still stigmatized? And Neuheisel is already serving his "K-State" sentence.

What's the worst thing a great coach could do and still be a realistically acceptable for us to hire? It's tough balance for us. I mean, for a really great coach to fall to us, he'd have to molest his daughter or something. And then the "alumni" and "K-State hating media" would be all "blah blah blah."

So what we need is a pretty good coach to do something just kind of bad and victimless several times. Like Bobby Petrino running a cockfighting ring.

[hemmy]

Fresno is never good, why would Pat Hill be interesting?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't see how any of them fit the Huggins model.

Plus, if those guys couldn't win at Tennessee, Miami or aTm, why would they win here? And why would Mike Riley leave his version of K-State to start over?

Coker went 60-15 at Miami, won a national championship and finished in the top 5 three times in six years. He won 12, 12, 11, 9, 9 and 7. If you want to say the Canes got worse every year he was there, that's fair, but he deserves at least some of the credit for The U's success and it's worth noting that the Canes have been in decline ever since he left.

Fulmer went 152-52 at Tennessee and also won a national championship. He's had more than a handful of top 10's and has won 10 or more games nine times in 16 years. Like Coker, Fulmer's teams got worse toward the end, but I would argue that the SEC also got significantly better. Meyer and Saban became king, and LSU has held their own since Miles has been there, too.

They've won plenty.

The other guys I've mentioned—Riley, Erickson and Hill—would all be compelling hires if "forced out" of their current gigs. I'm not suggesting K-State would target them and I have no clue if those guys would even be interested. But those types of guys would bring instant credibility and would have—although not nearly to the same extent—a Huggins-like impact.

Coker and Fulmer both used to be good. . . just like Snyder.

[steve dave]

Pat Hill

[j rake]

Pat Hill

 

[Katpappy]

Pat Hill

This is a wet dream for non-tards(NDs) in TARD LAND.   

[michigancat]

I think option 1 is the best of the two. Once the sexy coordinator reaches a certain level of success, he'll be off to a better gig in another conference. Up-and-coming coaches are more likely to be Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly than Chris Petersen or Gary Patterson.

Do not care.  You know who never wanted to leave KSU?  Jim rough ridin' Wooldridge, that's who.

Always hire the best coach available, worry about retaining when they actually.  you know.  win something.

[Andy]

—George O'Leary
—Rick Neuheisel
—Mike Price
—Mike Leach
—Rich Rod (coming soon...)
—I'm sure a few others

Leach, in my opinion, is the college football equivalent of Huggins. He could go anywhere and I'd guarantee that his program would have instant relevance and be a competitor on the national stage within three years. The other guys would give you a chance, but far from a guarantee, I suppose.

Yeah. I would love Leach or Rich Rod. Is O'Leary still stigmatized? And Neuheisel is already serving his "K-State" sentence.

What's the worst thing a great coach could do and still be a realistically acceptable for us to hire? It's tough balance for us. I mean, for a really great coach to fall to us, he'd have to molest his daughter or something. And then the "alumni" and "K-State hating media" would be all "blah blah blah."

So what we need is a pretty good coach to do something just kind of bad and victimless several times. Like Bobby Petrino running a cockfighting ring.

After Rich Rod gets fired he definitely moves to the top of the goEMAW.com approved successor list

[steve dave]

The worst thing about Rich Rod is that after getting fired he's still way out of our reach.  We need him to do something really bad.

[KSUTOMMY]

The worst thing about Rich Rod is that after getting fired he's still way out of our reach.  We need him to do something really bad.

I'm thinking if RichRod got caught funding a Donkey Show he'd be ours until retirement.

[felix rex]

The worst thing about Rich Rod is that after getting fired he's still way out of our reach.  We need him to do something really bad.

The question is what can he do/be framed for that's bad enough he'll fall within our reach but not so terrible that he's unhirable? Would a DUI plus his current NCAA infractions suffice?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think option 1 is the best of the two. Once the sexy coordinator reaches a certain level of success, he'll be off to a better gig in another conference. Up-and-coming coaches are more likely to be Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly than Chris Petersen or Gary Patterson.

Do not care.  You know who never wanted to leave KSU?  Jim rough ridin' Wooldridge, that's who.

Always hire the best coach available, worry about retaining when they actually.  you know.  win something.

Why would you want to be really good for 3 years, when you can be mediocre for 10?

[steve dave]

The worst thing about Rich Rod is that after getting fired he's still way out of our reach.  We need him to do something really bad.

The question is what can he do/be framed for that's bad enough he'll fall within our reach but not so terrible that he's unhirable? Would a DUI plus his current NCAA infractions suffice?

That's probably about the exact point that he would have no better options and feel like a big enough loser that he has to accept a KSU offer and our admin would still take him (or at least they better)