Leach.... (not sure if this is good or bad)

[Rams]

I have been sold on Mike Leach since he fired Lyle Setencich. LHC Bill Snyder would never have the balls to do that. Also, Texas Tech has had a better defense than K-State every year since 2003, so  at thinking Mike Leach wouldn't be an upgrade.

I can't believe we are even have fans on this site that would think the Pirate wouldn't be a big get for us.  The old man has seen his better days. 

Exactly.  Pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Frankly I can't believe you even engaged in that Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) exchange to begin with. 
You should be ashamed of yourself.

[CNS]

idle hands

[krazykat]

snyder needs to die.

[Andy]

Why would any WR, QB, or OL  recruits ever want to play for Leach.  It's not like his teams continually break offensive records for yards, TDs, score, etc.  That's the kind of stuff offensive recruits like.  

Oh, wait....

well here is your first problem.  As far as college players go we aren't hurting in 2/3 areas you listed.  Yes QB is an issue that can't be over stated.  But Leach hasn't produced an NFL qb either.  He has 1 good WR and I honestly don't know of any OL players at the next level.


here is the underlying problem.  Yes recruiting is a massive issue.  Winning will go a lot to solve that.  The biggest issue this year, last year and tomorrow is defense.  So how does hiring an offensive minded coach fix that?  Leach has no track record of success on the defensive side of the ball that I recall.

players drafted under mike leach.  2 QB's and a bunch of OL.

2001   7   37   237   Kris Kocurek   DT   Seattle Seahawks   —
2002   4   29   127   Kevin Curtis   DB   San Francisco 49ers   —
2003   6   21   194   Aaron Hunt   DT   Denver Broncos   —
2003   6   28   201   Kliff Kingsbury   QB   New England Patriots—
2004   4   3   99   Carlos Francis   WR   Oakland Raiders   —
2004   7   47   248   B. J. Symons   QB   Houston Texans   —
2005   4   28   129   Dylan Gandy‡   G   Indianapolis Colts   
2005   5   14   150   Daniel Loper   OT   Tennessee Titans   —
2005   7   20   234   Mike Smith   LB   Baltimore Ravens   —
2006   7   16   224   E. J. Whitley   C   Dallas Cowboys   —
2007   4   18   117   Manny Ramirez   G   Detroit Lions   —
2007   6   14   188   Joel Filani   WR   Tennessee Titans   —
2007   7   32   242   Keyunta Dawson   LB   Indianapolis Colts   —
2009   1   10   10   Michael Crabtree   WR   San Francisco 49ers   —
2009   2   16   48   Darcel McBath   DB   Denver Broncos   —
2009   3   14   78   Louis Vasquez   G   San Diego Chargers   —
2009   4   20   120   Brandon Williams   G   Dallas Cowboys   —
2010   6   27   196   Jamar Wall   CB   Dallas Cowboys

[j rake]

Maryland football w/ Leach is about to become ...
K-State basketball w/ Huggins.

Good for them.

[swish1]

Why would any WR, QB, or OL  recruits ever want to play for Leach.  It's not like his teams continually break offensive records for yards, TDs, score, etc.  That's the kind of stuff offensive recruits like.  

Oh, wait....

well here is your first problem.  As far as college players go we aren't hurting in 2/3 areas you listed.  Yes QB is an issue that can't be over stated.  But Leach hasn't produced an NFL qb either.  He has 1 good WR and I honestly don't know of any OL players at the next level.


here is the underlying problem.  Yes recruiting is a massive issue.  Winning will go a lot to solve that.  The biggest issue this year, last year and tomorrow is defense.  So how does hiring an offensive minded coach fix that?  Leach has no track record of success on the defensive side of the ball that I recall.

players drafted under mike leach.  2 QB's and a bunch of OL.

2001   7   37   237   Kris Kocurek   DT   Seattle Seahawks   —
2002   4   29   127   Kevin Curtis   DB   San Francisco 49ers   —
2003   6   21   194   Aaron Hunt   DT   Denver Broncos   —
2003   6   28   201   Kliff Kingsbury   QB   New England Patriots—
2004   4   3   99   Carlos Francis   WR   Oakland Raiders   —
2004   7   47   248   B. J. Symons   QB   Houston Texans   —
2005   4   28   129   Dylan Gandy‡   G   Indianapolis Colts   
2005   5   14   150   Daniel Loper   OT   Tennessee Titans   —
2005   7   20   234   Mike Smith   LB   Baltimore Ravens   —
2006   7   16   224   E. J. Whitley   C   Dallas Cowboys   —
2007   4   18   117   Manny Ramirez   G   Detroit Lions   —
2007   6   14   188   Joel Filani   WR   Tennessee Titans   —
2007   7   32   242   Keyunta Dawson   LB   Indianapolis Colts   —
2009   1   10   10   Michael Crabtree   WR   San Francisco 49ers   —
2009   2   16   48   Darcel McBath   DB   Denver Broncos   —
2009   3   14   78   Louis Vasquez   G   San Diego Chargers   —
2009   4   20   120   Brandon Williams   G   Dallas Cowboys   —
2010   6   27   196   Jamar Wall   CB   Dallas Cowboys

to be fair that looks like only 6 offensive linemen, but 7 defensive players where he has had "no track record of success"...

[Katpappy]

snyder needs to die.

U know, this is the only way the tards will let OB leave.

[Benja]

It will be good bbs'ing watching maryland football next year.

[Katpappy]

It will be good bbs'ing watching maryland football next year.

Yea, it's like watching your neighbor cruising around in that new BMW that you always wanted.  U know with Leach at the wheel.   

[ednksu]

This year's D is no longer an issue if we put up 45pts a game.

Also, I couldn't care less how many NFL'ers Leach has produced.  His system wins.  It speaks for it's self. 

The argument of him being an outstanding coach is actually strengthened by you noting that he does this without NFL talent.

BTW his D was getting much better under McNeil toward the end.

If we are going to speak in recent "almosts", Leach had Tech as one of the 4 or 5 teams being looked at as possibly playing for the NC with only two games left in his season a couple years ago.

I really have to disagree with you about your points
I take it you didn't go to the North Texas game.  45 points didn't seem like enough.  We shouldn't have to score 45+ to win.  35 average should be enough. 

College players are vastly different then nfl players.  size, play speed, scheme makes one player incomparable to others.  El was a decent college qb  and failed in a pro system. 

What has he won by the way?  At the very least its a KU/Mangino style of argument.  At a certain point you have to 'win the north!' or the south in order to really be taken seriously.  Even with vastly superior offensive talent he couldn't do it.  It came down to the cliche of defense winning champs or at the very least divisions.

quit embarrassing yourself and just admit that leach would be a step up from what we have now.  its not even close to a mangino argument.  tech had been good for years under leach, uk had only 1 good year under mangino. 

and now the north/south talking point is out  the window.  what is not to like about leach?

you people need to stop with the rough ridin' circle jerk.  we need someone that can coach a rough ridin' defense

Mike Leach has won:
0 South Titles
0 Big 12 Titles
0 BCS titles
0 wins that should rough ridin' matter to our fan base

You idiots are the kind that make admins hire shitty over rated coaches then 2 years later wonder why we aren't winning titles of any kind.

[wetwillie]

This year's D is no longer an issue if we put up 45pts a game.

Also, I couldn't care less how many NFL'ers Leach has produced.  His system wins.  It speaks for it's self. 

The argument of him being an outstanding coach is actually strengthened by you noting that he does this without NFL talent.

BTW his D was getting much better under McNeil toward the end.

If we are going to speak in recent "almosts", Leach had Tech as one of the 4 or 5 teams being looked at as possibly playing for the NC with only two games left in his season a couple years ago.

I really have to disagree with you about your points
I take it you didn't go to the North Texas game.  45 points didn't seem like enough.  We shouldn't have to score 45+ to win.  35 average should be enough. 

College players are vastly different then nfl players.  size, play speed, scheme makes one player incomparable to others.  El was a decent college qb  and failed in a pro system. 

What has he won by the way?  At the very least its a KU/Mangino style of argument.  At a certain point you have to 'win the north!' or the south in order to really be taken seriously.  Even with vastly superior offensive talent he couldn't do it.  It came down to the cliche of defense winning champs or at the very least divisions.

quit embarrassing yourself and just admit that leach would be a step up from what we have now.  its not even close to a mangino argument.  tech had been good for years under leach, uk had only 1 good year under mangino. 

and now the north/south talking point is out  the window.  what is not to like about leach?

you people need to stop with the effing circle jerk.  we need someone that can coach a effing defense

Mike Leach has won:
0 South Titles
0 Big 12 Titles
0 BCS titles
0 wins that should effing matter to our fan base

You idiots are the kind that make admins hire cacty over rated coaches then 2 years later wonder why we aren't winning titles of any kind.

please change Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking points to include your hate for someone other than mike leach who has in fact found a job

[sonofdaxjones]

If K-State were in the South, then there's no 2003 Big 12 Championship. 

[ednksu]

If K-State were in the South, then there's no 2003 Big 12 Championship. 

since goEMAW.com exists in a similar fantasy land as most gopo posters I will contend that Bill's good Christian attitude and work ethic would have produced at least 2 national titles because he would have been able to get into more talented whipper snappers houses for recruiting. 

[Katpappy]

If K-State were in the South, then there's no 2003 Big 12 Championship. 

since goEMAW.com exists in a similar fantasy land as most gopo posters I will contend that Bill's good Christian attitude and work ethic would have produced at least 2 national titles because he would have been able to get into more talented whipper snappers houses for recruiting. 

Would of, could of; let's look at what we got now... a fricking Pin Stripe bowl.  There be a few more just like this in the next few years w/ OB.   

[ednksu]

If K-State were in the South, then there's no 2003 Big 12 Championship. 

since goEMAW.com exists in a similar fantasy land as most gopo posters I will contend that Bill's good Christian attitude and work ethic would have produced at least 2 national titles because he would have been able to get into more talented whipper snappers houses for recruiting. 

Would of, could of; let's look at what we got now... a fricking Pin Stripe bowl.  There be a few more just like this in the next few years w/ OB.   

here is what I don't understand about the anti-Snyderism on this page.  We are all assuming that he wont fix the deficiencies with the program, I grant there is strong historical evidence and precedence to back up that fear.  But he is still winning.  He is still improving the program as seen by competing for the north and getting us to a bowl game; this built on the utter crap that Prince left us for players. 

My biggest problem with the Leach felaciating on this page is that he has NEVER won anything.  No South titles, no conference titles, no east titles in the SEC.  Hell you can attribute a lot of his records at Kentucky to their old head coach too (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/367563-the-top-10-college-teams-that-could-benefit-by-hiring-mike-leach/page/4). 

[MadCat]

If K-State were in the South, then there's no 2003 Big 12 Championship. 

since goEMAW.com exists in a similar fantasy land as most gopo posters I will contend that Bill's good Christian attitude and work ethic would have produced at least 2 national titles because he would have been able to get into more talented whipper snappers houses for recruiting. 

Would of, could of; let's look at what we got now... a fricking Pin Stripe bowl.  There be a few more just like this in the next few years w/ OB.   

here is what I don't understand about the anti-Snyderism on this page.  We are all assuming that he wont fix the deficiencies with the program, I grant there is strong historical evidence and precedence to back up that fear.  But he is still winning.  He is still improving the program as seen by competing for the north and getting us to a bowl game; this built on the utter crap that Prince left us for players. 

My biggest problem with the Leach felaciating on this page is that he has NEVER won anything.  No South titles, no conference titles, no east titles in the SEC.  Hell you can attribute a lot of his records at Kentucky to their old head coach too (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/367563-the-top-10-college-teams-that-could-benefit-by-hiring-mike-leach/page/4). 

FWIW, I think we were more in the race for the North last year than we were this year. 

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[OK_Cat]

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nice catch.  he's still available (not that it matters for us  )

[kstatefreak42]

I like running the football.

[pike]

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nice catch.  he's still available (not that it matters for us  )

Doesn't