Leach.... (not sure if this is good or bad)

[OK_Cat]

Spent the evening in Stillwater with some a.d. people.  Holgersen to be West Virginia's head coach (announced today), and Leach has already been contacted by Mike Gundy to be the offensive coordinator.

I "think" this is good news for us, because Leach won't want to be second fiddle for too long.  We gotta get this Fire OB banner going quick.

[Rams]

The problem with Leach is that he doesn't do well with authority.  Why in the hell else would they run him out of TT when he was putting up W's at the rate he was for so long?  For putting some pussy crybaby in a dark room?  No way.  He was and will probably always be a loose canon that does things his own way and to hell with what anybody tells him he should be doing...and that goes for AD's.  What AD's fear most is that he'll come in and not listen to them and shat on the politically correct prestige of their fine university and there won't be a damn thing they can do to stop him.

I could be dead wrong about this, but he may be more unhireable than Mangino and Leavitt.  I hope I'm wrong...I'd welcome with open arms. 

[kcchiefdav]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

[OK_Cat]

the precedent has been set with Huggins, our fanbase could easily be talked into accepting him.  Plus, he didn't play anywhere, so there wouldn't be a "come home, Mike" thing to worry about.

[swish1]

the precedent has been set with Huggins, our fanbase could easily be talked into accepting him.  Plus, he didn't play anywhere, so there wouldn't be a "come home, Mike" thing to worry about.

with as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as our fan base is they might be anti leach simply because of the fact that huggins ditched after 1 year...

[Rams]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

[MadCat]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

[cough]Brett Favre[/cough]

[Rams]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

[cough]Brett Favre[/cough]

Yeah...that worked out well for everyone!

[06wildcat]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

That description reminds me of LHC Bill Snyder.

[bakerman]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

Wasn't Leach's contract about to be up? I always thought of it more as they wanted a way to get rid of him, without paying him in a firing, so they wouldn't have to give him a big new contract or look bad to the fan base for not paying him.

In your scenario, hell yes I would hire him. If he's really good at his job, he's going to be making me money. Once he stops making me money, then we have an issue, until then do it your way and keep the cash rolling in.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

If your athletic director is trying to tell a coach how to do his job, then it is time to hire a new athletic director. The athletic director should be in charge of firing losers and hiring winners, not telling them how to win.

[ChiComCat]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

Wasn't Leach's contract about to be up? I always thought of it more as they wanted a way to get rid of him, without paying him in a firing, so they wouldn't have to give him a big new contract or look bad to the fan base for not paying him.

In your scenario, hell yes I would hire him. If he's really good at his job, he's going to be making me money. Once he stops making me money, then we have an issue, until then do it your way and keep the cash rolling in.

They gave him a big new contract the year earlier (crabtree/big 12 south tie year).  They fired him a day before his retention bonus or some crap wouldve kicked in to save that money, not that it was necessarily the reason for the firing.

[bakerman]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

Wasn't Leach's contract about to be up? I always thought of it more as they wanted a way to get rid of him, without paying him in a firing, so they wouldn't have to give him a big new contract or look bad to the fan base for not paying him.

In your scenario, hell yes I would hire him. If he's really good at his job, he's going to be making me money. Once he stops making me money, then we have an issue, until then do it your way and keep the cash rolling in.

They gave him a big new contract the year earlier (crabtree/big 12 south tie year).  They fired him a day before his retention bonus or some crap wouldve kicked in to save that money, not that it was necessarily the reason for the firing.

Ok, thanks. I new there was some monetary thing close to the time, but wasn't sure of what exactly.

[deputy dawg]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

[Clevey 2 Times]

Spent the evening in Stillwater with some a.d. people.  Holgersen to be West Virginia's head coach (announced today), and Leach has already been contacted by Mike Gundy to be the offensive coordinator.

I "think" this is good news for us, because Leach won't want to be second fiddle for too long.  We gotta get this Fire OB banner going quick.

Given that Leach will coach up OSU for 1 year and get an offer as headman somewhere, this is very bad news. I don't see Bill leaving after next season, but then again, I didn't see him leaving when he did the first time.

When you're more intelligent than most AD's and alot of university presidents, as Leach is, why not say eff you. He can always fall back on his law degree...

[Rams]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

If your athletic director is trying to tell a coach how to do his job, then it is time to hire a new athletic director. The athletic director should be in charge of firing losers and hiring winners, not telling them how to win.

Not telling him how to coach...telling him not to publicly support abusive ogres (Mangino) or talk about his players fat little girlfriends in press conferences.  It's funny as crap to people like us, but the old codgers with the deep pockets supporting the program don't much care for it.  It's not about the AD wanting to control what happens on the field.  It's about not having a coach that says the first thing that comes to mind in front of room full of microphones.  When you tell him he needs to watch what he says and not be so blunt and he tells you to eff off...then you have a problem.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

If your athletic director is trying to tell a coach how to do his job, then it is time to hire a new athletic director. The athletic director should be in charge of firing losers and hiring winners, not telling them how to win.

Not telling him how to coach...telling him not to publicly support abusive ogres (Mangino) or talk about his players fat little girlfriends in press conferences.  It's funny as crap to people like us, but the old codgers with the deep pockets supporting the program don't much care for it.  It's not about the AD wanting to control what happens on the field.  It's about not having a coach that says the first thing that comes to mind in front of room full of microphones.  When you tell him he needs to watch what he says and not be so blunt and he tells you to eff off...then you have a problem.

1) If Mark Mangino is your friend, then you should have a right to publicly defend him.
2) Calling your players out in public to motivate them is part of being a coach. The AD should not be interfering with Mike Leach's coaching methods. He should only be evaluating the results.

If Texas Tech's president were committed to winning athletic programs, Gerald Myers would have been looking for a new job about 10 minutes after Leach was fired.

[Rams]

The nice thing about being a university with no prestige and/or history is that you can hire the Bob Hugginses and Mike Leaches of the world.

It's less about the prestige and more about the insubordination.  As a CEO, would you hire somebody that you knew was really good at their job but you knew wouldn't follow orders or give a eff what you said?  Honestly, why else would TT have railroaded him?

If your athletic director is trying to tell a coach how to do his job, then it is time to hire a new athletic director. The athletic director should be in charge of firing losers and hiring winners, not telling them how to win.

Not telling him how to coach...telling him not to publicly support abusive ogres (Mangino) or talk about his players fat little girlfriends in press conferences.  It's funny as crap to people like us, but the old codgers with the deep pockets supporting the program don't much care for it.  It's not about the AD wanting to control what happens on the field.  It's about not having a coach that says the first thing that comes to mind in front of room full of microphones.  When you tell him he needs to watch what he says and not be so blunt and he tells you to eff off...then you have a problem.

1) If Mark Mangino is your friend, then you should have a right to publicly defend him.
2) Calling your players out in public to motivate them is part of being a coach. The AD should not be interfering with Mike Leach's coaching methods. He should only be evaluating the results.

If Texas Tech's president were committed to winning athletic programs, Gerald Myers would have been looking for a new job about 10 minutes after Leach was fired.

I'm not defending the decision, I'm simply trying to explain it.  I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but the motivations of egotistical AD's are slightly different than your average message board tard.

[theymightbegiants]

Want defense and wins. Not one shared division title since 2000 with a lot of offense.

[wes mantooth]

Want defense and wins. Not one shared division title since 2000 with a lot of offense.

your right, leach sucks.

[theymightbegiants]

Want defense and wins. Not one shared division title since 2000 with a lot of offense.

your right, leach sucks.

Agreed

[OK_Cat]

Want defense and wins. Not one shared division title since 2000 with a lot of offense.

you rough ridin' deserve snyder.  loser.

[theymightbegiants]

Want defense and wins. Not one shared division title since 2000 with a lot of offense.

you effing deserve snyder.  loser.

Snyder=do want              Do not care  snyder=winner

[OK_Cat]

Want defense and wins. Not one shared division title since 2000 with a lot of offense.

you effing deserve snyder.  loser.

Snyder=do want              Do not care  snyder=winner

yeah, that one conference championship is pretty awesome.

[Cire]

Snyder hasn't won since 2003.