So what did this game tell us?

[WildCatzPhreak]

K did a really good job with the gameplan.  He spread our defense waaaaay out, including bringing Asprilla all the way out to the 3 point line on several occasions.  Then their guard drives right by ours to the hoop, and everyone is out of position to help on defense.  It either ends in a foul or an easy bucket.  I remember this happening a lot in the first half and we never adjusted.

[Kat Kid]

Hey freak,  when you hold up your combo fan I can't see your 'I see you' because it is rough ridin' weak.  Go over to the football board until after the bowl season is over and just read this board.

I hate our fanbase sometimes.  Wait, I hate our fanbase whenever I am confronted with their stupidity.  The rest of the time I would be hating the fanbase, but I'm just lying to myself or playing dumb.  Like how people deal with AIDS in Africa. 
Except I live in Africa. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

Hey freak,  when you hold up your combo fan I can't see your 'I see you' because it is effing weak.  Go over to the football board until after the bowl season is over and just read this board.

I hate our fanbase sometimes.  Wait, I hate our fanbase whenever I am confronted with their stupidity.  The rest of the time I would be hating the fanbase, but I'm just lying to myself or playing dumb.  Like how people deal with AIDS in Africa. 
Except I live in Africa. 

 

kk just ft hays'd freak.

[bonercat]

I was actually very happy to see a fire lit up under Jamar's ass last night at various points in the game. He stood up for his teammates at least two times and got in the face of a Dukie, and then looked to be playing pissed off and with the intensity we need him to. We need him to get to the basket more and use his athleticism.

My biggest gripe is how our bigs never get the ball and try to face the basket. We gotta do a better job of that.

Also, when Duke or any team with a quick guard spreads their players out around the perimeter and then sets high screens with their big men, they'll either score or get to the line every time. Kelly and especially Asprilla aren't quick enough to play that far out from the basket and can't get back in time to defend properly. I'm sure they'll get better but last night it was very bad.

Russel and Irving seem to do well hitting midrange jumpshots which was great.

Asprilla can't line up at center against those kind of big men. They were able to deflect a lot of his shots and passes. I understand  JHR is skinny as crap but I would have rather seen him down low with his length rather than Freddy. Plus, I think he would be able to pull their big men out better than Asprilla.

Thats it.

[WildCatzPhreak]

sometimes forget talking about 'gameplans' is forbidden on goEMAW.com.  luckily, i have katkid here to remind me.

mostly terrible post though, imo.

[catzacker]

I think we saw the talent ceiling on the team last night.  We can still be a very good team, but it will take an amazing effort to be in the same class as the Duke-type teams this year.  I don't think its a huge surprise that we will have to play out of our minds to beat a team like that. 

This year's squad still has a fantastic chance to be better than last year.

Yeah.  It's easy to forget we lost in similar fashion to an NIT team almost exactly a year ago.

Don’t we look like this in all of our losses?  (I’m only going back to last year; Frank’s first two years were anomalies in talent).  When we can’t stay in front of the other team’s guard(s), we’re f’d.  We aren’t as talented as Duke in our backcourt, and we probably won’t be against teams of this caliber  KU’s backcourt with Selby will be better than ours.  So if we want to win the league and/or do actual damage in March, Frank either needs to come up with something or just hope that we play out of our ass.  

[EMAWzified]

What pleased me last night and the last few games is that Russell (note two LLs) and Irving (must look up who the posters were last summer who said he would suck so that I can dismiss them as retards) can get to medium range jumpers and hit them. We actually do have a number of players who can make their own shots.

[michigancat]

I think we saw the talent ceiling on the team last night.  We can still be a very good team, but it will take an amazing effort to be in the same class as the Duke-type teams this year.  I don't think its a huge surprise that we will have to play out of our minds to beat a team like that. 

This year's squad still has a fantastic chance to be better than last year.

Yeah.  It's easy to forget we lost in similar fashion to an NIT team almost exactly a year ago.

Don’t we look like this in all of our losses?  (I’m only going back to last year; Frank’s first two years were anomalies in talent).  When we can’t stay in front of the other team’s guard(s), we’re f’d.  We aren’t as talented as Duke in our backcourt, and we probably won’t be against teams of this caliber  KU’s backcourt with Selby will be better than ours.  So if we want to win the league and/or do actual damage in March, Frank either needs to come up with something or just hope that we play out of our ass. 

I was thinking purely in terms of point spread.  

But no, I don't think "staying in front of guards" is a common problem in KSU losses over the last two seasons.


Also, eff mid-range jumpers.

[EMAWzified]

Yeah, because scoring points sucks

[michigancat]

Yeah, because scoring points sucks

There is not a more inefficient way to score points than midrange jumpers, jackass.

[wabash909]

You dumbasses never loved Denis and now you don't even understand what's happening.

phog was way ahead of the curve on us missing Denis.  HBBIQ'ers knew we'd miss him.

We all knew in our heart of hearts that we would miss him.  We just wouldn't admit it out in the open.

[catzacker]

I think we saw the talent ceiling on the team last night.  We can still be a very good team, but it will take an amazing effort to be in the same class as the Duke-type teams this year.  I don't think its a huge surprise that we will have to play out of our minds to beat a team like that. 

This year's squad still has a fantastic chance to be better than last year.

Yeah.  It's easy to forget we lost in similar fashion to an NIT team almost exactly a year ago.

Don’t we look like this in all of our losses?  (I’m only going back to last year; Frank’s first two years were anomalies in talent).  When we can’t stay in front of the other team’s guard(s), we’re f’d.  We aren’t as talented as Duke in our backcourt, and we probably won’t be against teams of this caliber  KU’s backcourt with Selby will be better than ours.  So if we want to win the league and/or do actual damage in March, Frank either needs to come up with something or just hope that we play out of our ass. 

I was thinking purely in terms of point spread.  

But no, I don't think "staying in front of guards" is a common problem in KSU losses over the last two seasons.


Also, eff mid-range jumpers.

Ole Miss...ISU....KU....OSU

all were directly related to our guards not being able to defend the other team's guard(s).  it may not have been the guard that went crazy, but it related to the guard kicking it to someone who did.  

[michigancat]

OSU was about James Anderson and not having a big that could defend Muonelo.

The losses to KU weren't really about defending guards.


Didn't watch ISU, so don't care.

[AlwaysEMAW]

Yeah, because scoring points sucks

There is not a more inefficient way to score points than midrange jumpers, jackass.

So let's just do threes and layups. That's one way to stretch the defense.

[catzacker]

OSU was about James Anderson and not having a big that could defend Muonelo.

The losses to KU weren't really about defending guards.


Didn't watch ISU, so don't care.

james is effectively a guard.  sherron owned us in the bram.  we couldn't stop that freaking garret kid.  ole miss's guards destroyed us. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

OSU was about James Anderson and not having a big that could defend Muonelo.

The losses to KU weren't really about defending guards.


Didn't watch ISU, so don't care.

james is effectively a guard.  sherron owned us in the bram.  we couldn't stop that freaking garret kid.  ole miss's guards destroyed us. 

i wonder how many times a college basketball team loses a game and a guard for the winning team played really well. i'm guessing it's quite a bit.

[catzacker]

OSU was about James Anderson and not having a big that could defend Muonelo.

The losses to KU weren't really about defending guards.


Didn't watch ISU, so don't care.

james is effectively a guard.  sherron owned us in the bram.  we couldn't stop that freaking garret kid.  ole miss's guards destroyed us.  

i wonder how many times a college basketball team loses a game and a guard for the winning team played really well. i'm guessing it's quite a bit.

yeah, I wasn't making an earth shattering observation.  it's just that in those situations when our guards are continually getting beat, we seem to just stay with playing aggressive when it isn't working.  

I’m not using capel as an example of a good coach, but I’ll use his 1-3-1 he put on us in the bram two years ago as an example of a good coaching move.  We were destroying them with guard penetration, kickouts, etc.  So he switched it up and we couldn’t respond.  I’m not asking for a zone every time we begin to have difficulties guarding the guards, I’m just wanting to see something different thrown at them. 

[wetwillie]

Honest question...will we see anyone with as much talent as duke ever again this year outside the tournament?

Irving, Plumlee, Smith, and Singler all get drafted next year right?

[EMAWzified]

There is not a more inefficient way to score points than midrange jumpers, jackass.

This hurts, coming from you.
Duke's easily better than they were a year ago.

[OK_Cat]

Honest question...will we see anyone with as much talent as duke ever again this year outside the tournament?

Irving, Plumlee, Smith, and Singler all get drafted next year right?

not a chance.  this is the best team we have played/will play in years.

[CatGeek]

Before anyone get's too crazed on Denis, he couldn't defend for crap last year against good speed or not.  So, tell me exactly how he would have dealt with the super frosh?

He was all about transition and offensive speed.  Which would be nice to have.  But let's not crown him the king of PG's.

[doom]

Before anyone get's too crazed on Denis, he couldn't defend for crap last year against good speed or not.  So, tell me exactly how he would have dealt with the super frosh?

He was all about transition and offensive speed.  Which would be nice to have.  But let's not crown him the king of PG's.

First of all, we could have used the offensive dimensions he brings more than the defense.  Second of all he would have slapped Irving in the back of the head, weakening him.  Third of all the word geek mean someone who bites the heads off of live animals in the circus so your username means you eat cat heads.  That is gross.

[Cartierfor3]

what did people expect to happen?  Jake going 1-12 is frustrating, but Duke is just better.  They are the standard for college basketball right now.  No shame in how we lost.

if Rod/Jake don't have horrible shooting nights, we're in it, with the best team in America, and we turned it over constantly.

We're good, they're way better.  No big surprise.

[Sugar Dick]

MichiCat is tearing this thread up.

[Panjandrum]

Honest question...will we see anyone with as much talent as duke ever again this year outside the tournament?

Irving, Plumlee, Smith, and Singler all get drafted next year right?

not a chance.  this is the best team we have played/will play in years.

This is the best Duke team since 2000-2001, and they're better than the team that won the tournament last year.

This is the caliber of Duke team that can be mentioned in the same breath as 91-92, 98-99, and 00-01.  And those were three of the greatest teams of all time.

I was mad last night because I wanted to win.  But, really, losing by 16 after playing like complete crap to what could become one of the best Duke teams of all-time, I'm actually feeling pretty good about.