So what did this game tell us?

[michigancat]

I think we saw the talent ceiling on the team last night.  We can still be a very good team, but it will take an amazing effort to be in the same class as the Duke-type teams this year.  I don't think its a huge surprise that we will have to play out of our minds to beat a team like that. 

This year's squad still has a fantastic chance to be better than last year.

Yeah.  It's easy to forget we lost in similar fashion to an NIT team almost exactly a year ago.

[AlwaysEMAW]

I learned that until we learn to run better offensive sets, we won't be beating really good and disciplined teams. Duke is really disciplined in their half court game and that' why their buckets looked so much easier than ours. Meanwhile, we turn the ball over when we have to play a half court game and don't get one easy shot.

[CHONGS]

I think we saw the talent ceiling on the team last night.  We can still be a very good team, but it will take an amazing effort to be in the same class as the Duke-type teams this year.  I don't think its a huge surprise that we will have to play out of our minds to beat a team like that.  

This year's squad still has a fantastic chance to be better than last year.

Yeah.  It's easy to forget we lost in similar fashion to an NIT team almost exactly a year ago.

Exactly.  Last we we got run by Ole Miss.  This year it was Duke.  

[michigancat]

I learned that until we learn to run better offensive sets, we won't be beating really good and disciplined teams. Duke is really disciplined in their half court game and that' why their buckets looked so much easier than ours. Meanwhile, we turn the ball over when we have to play a half court game and don't get one easy shot.

They don't run better "sets" - they have three guys that can create their own shot off the dribble when the shot clock gets under 15.  We have one.  That's huge.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Does anybody think we would have played better with 2 or 3 days of rest instead of 1? I think the 3pt% would have been much better. I haven't watched Duke enough this year to know how much better they would have played.

[Doberman_CATS!!!]

Frank got out-coached
Freddy needs less minutes
Perhaps we should throw DPete in and see what he's got????? I mean, 95 amirite?
Selby is going to cac on Jake's beard, twice.
Singler is a phag
Freddy needs less minutes
I was too drunk to remember anything else.


I think the loss was probably a good thing, for the fans, and the team.

[Sugar Dick]

We will lose one game this year where we make more baskets than the other team.

[Sugar Dick]

The dribbling 5 count is a myth.

[Lamesauce]

We need to dunk the ball more. Duke had roughly 7 dunks. KSU had 0. Duke wins by roughly 14 points. That's the difference in the game IMO.

[Kat Kid]

This thread is full of fail.

Two nights ago we hit too many threes, last night we did not hit enough.

Jake cannot be point guard (J-mart's talking point about his handles has held up like the pyramids) and will probably be more denis clemente re: future job prospects than cartier martin.

Tay did look better than the average bear.

Frank gave Sprads a good yell which means he thinks he might be worth a crap.

Freddy=Freddy

CK killed it and he needed to.

Jamar=Jamar

Imo, Gruds is our juniest junk yard cat, which means his shot is going to be frustrating at times.

As has been said we miss Denis, a lot.  Losing the transition game as badly as we did hurt and I don't think we have anything to replace that besides better 3pt shooting and post play.  We saw what happened when the 3pt'rs weren't there.

Go Meltdown in some thread called "Smelly Loser Morons Meltdown Thread"

Zacker/azcat just go head out back already.

[AlwaysEMAW]

I learned that until we learn to run better offensive sets, we won't be beating really good and disciplined teams. Duke is really disciplined in their half court game and that' why their buckets looked so much easier than ours. Meanwhile, we turn the ball over when we have to play a half court game and don't get one easy shot.

They don't run better "sets" - they have three guys that can create their own shot off the dribble when the shot clock gets under 15.  We have one.  That's huge.

Looked like it to me. Obviously they have those guys that can create off the dribble, but their spacing and ball movement was amazing as well. I really don't think you can argue that their half-court game wasn't better than ours.

[Sugar Dick]

Our transition defense needs A LOT of improvement.  fortunately this is something that should be fairly easy to improve upon.

[NXL]

this is how we're going to look when we play kansas.   

Three seasons ago, I thought this after we lost to George Mason.  But we still beat uk and had a good run in the con.  Chill a little, dude. 

[kitten_mittons]

Kansas is not as good or as disciplined as Duke.  We turn the ball over less against Kansas and we force them into more turnovers.  We'll get open looks against Kansas, and our frontcourt is better/more deep than theirs.

[michigancat]

I learned that until we learn to run better offensive sets, we won't be beating really good and disciplined teams. Duke is really disciplined in their half court game and that' why their buckets looked so much easier than ours. Meanwhile, we turn the ball over when we have to play a half court game and don't get one easy shot.

They don't run better "sets" - they have three guys that can create their own shot off the dribble when the shot clock gets under 15.  We have one.  That's huge.

Looked like it to me. Obviously they have those guys that can create off the dribble, but their spacing and ball movement was amazing as well. I really don't think you can argue that their half-court game wasn't better than ours.

Everything you said is correct, but it's 95% based on talent, not "sets" or goddam "plays".

[AlwaysEMAW]

I learned that until we learn to run better offensive sets, we won't be beating really good and disciplined teams. Duke is really disciplined in their half court game and that' why their buckets looked so much easier than ours. Meanwhile, we turn the ball over when we have to play a half court game and don't get one easy shot.

They don't run better "sets" - they have three guys that can create their own shot off the dribble when the shot clock gets under 15.  We have one.  That's huge.

Looked like it to me. Obviously they have those guys that can create off the dribble, but their spacing and ball movement was amazing as well. I really don't think you can argue that their half-court game wasn't better than ours.

Everything you said is correct, but it's 95% based on talent, not "sets" or goddam "plays".

Ok

[Sugar Dick]

I learned that until we learn to run better offensive sets, we won't be beating really good and disciplined teams. Duke is really disciplined in their half court game and that' why their buckets looked so much easier than ours. Meanwhile, we turn the ball over when we have to play a half court game and don't get one easy shot.

They don't run better "sets" - they have three guys that can create their own shot off the dribble when the shot clock gets under 15.  We have one.  That's huge.

Looked like it to me. Obviously they have those guys that can create off the dribble, but their spacing and ball movement was amazing as well. I really don't think you can argue that their half-court game wasn't better than ours.

Like 90% of Dooks points came in transition or at the FT stripe.  That's the JYC's MO....and they stole from us 

[Kat Kid]

JYC MO is NOT transition.  That is Denis Boricua Especial.

He is gone, and the puerto rican flag in Wichita Pak-n HQ is at half mast.

You dumbasses never loved Denis and now you don't even understand what's happening.

Yeah we really miss Sutton.  Morons.

Yeah, Jake is terrible.  Morons.

[michigancat]

You dumbasses never loved Denis and now you don't even understand what's happening.

phog was way ahead of the curve on us missing Denis.  HBBIQ'ers knew we'd miss him.

[Sugar Dick]

K-State is not a transition scoring team 

[AlwaysEMAW]

Our game needs to shift without Denis. We miss him because we're still trying to play like we have him. We are just bad in transition on both sides of the ball.

[PandaXpanda]

This thread is full of fail.

Two nights ago we hit too many threes, last night we did not hit enough.

Jake cannot be point guard (J-mart's talking point about his handles has held up like the pyramids) and will probably be more denis clemente re: future job prospects than cartier martin.

Tay did look better than the average bear.

Frank gave Sprads a good yell which means he thinks he might be worth a crap. he got to play in front of his idol and buckled. plus, obviously, that was his first time playing against that much speed athleticism.

Freddy=Freddy  i love how the first time he threw the behind back this year everyone thought he was gonna be a baller, and now it turns out that's just his weird skill he's worked on since he was in 5th grade.

CK killed it and he needed to.  minus some really soft t/o's i thought he was absolutely stellar. his shots looked confident and i could actually tell they had a good chance of going in from the time he released the ball. 

Jamar=Jamar

Imo, Gruds is our juniest junk yard cat, which means his shot is going to be frustrating at times. definitely agree w/ this

As has been said we miss Denis, a lot.  Losing the transition game as badly as we did hurt and I don't think we have anything to replace that besides better 3pt shooting and post play.  We saw what happened when the 3pt'rs weren't there.

Go Meltdown in some thread called "Smelly Loser Morons Meltdown Thread"

Zacker/azcat just go head out back already.

[Rage Against the McKee]

You dumbasses never loved Denis and now you don't even understand what's happening.

phog was way ahead of the curve on us missing Denis.  HBBIQ'ers knew we'd miss him.

I'm not saying we don't miss Denis, because we do, but he would not have been the difference between a win and a loss last night.

[Panjandrum]

I learned that until we learn to run better offensive sets, we won't be beating really good and disciplined teams. Duke is really disciplined in their half court game and that' why their buckets looked so much easier than ours. Meanwhile, we turn the ball over when we have to play a half court game and don't get one easy shot.

They don't run better "sets" - they have three guys that can create their own shot off the dribble when the shot clock gets under 15.  We have one.  That's huge.

Looked like it to me. Obviously they have those guys that can create off the dribble, but their spacing and ball movement was amazing as well. I really don't think you can argue that their half-court game wasn't better than ours.

Everything you said is correct, but it's 95% based on talent, not "sets" or goddam "plays".

Having a one-and-done point guard makes you look like you run a really nice offense.

[Panjandrum]

You dumbasses never loved Denis and now you don't even understand what's happening.

phog was way ahead of the curve on us missing Denis.  HBBIQ'ers knew we'd miss him.

I'm not saying we don't miss Denis, because we do, but he would not have been the difference between a win and a loss last night.

It would have helped to have a point out there who could match K. Irving's speed.