The Royals

[Kat Kid]

Hochevar tendered contract. I literally want to cry.

 

[jtksu]

Soria to the Rangers for a 2 yr, $8 million contract.

[8manpick]

Soria to the Rangers for a 2 yr, $8 million contract.

I mean, I'm not sold on the importance of Soria given his injury, but at ~$4M a year, I wish we'd have resigned him.

[jtksu]

Soria to the Rangers for a 2 yr, $8 million contract.

I mean, I'm not sold on the importance of Soria given his injury, but at ~$4M a year, I wish we'd have resigned him.

I guess Texas just plans to use him in the 8th this year and maybe takeover for Nathan if/when he retires in a yr or two.

[Cartierfor3]

Soria to the Rangers for a 2 yr, $8 million contract.

I mean, I'm not sold on the importance of Soria given his injury, but at ~$4M a year, I wish we'd have resigned him.

Na, let him go.  Thanks for all the Mexicutions Soria. 

[jtksu]

Soria to the Rangers for a 2 yr, $8 million contract.

I mean, I'm not sold on the importance of Soria given his injury, but at ~$4M a year, I wish we'd have resigned him.

Na, let him go.  Thanks for all the Mexicutions Soria.

Their bullpen seems pretty solid, I'd rather they throw that 4 mil per at a starter.  You can get some decent short term solutions for that kind of money...  Like the equivalent of a Soria, someone coming off surgery or a bad year or something.   

[jtksu]

Guess the Mets are pushing hard to trade for Wil Myers, with Dickey being a possibilty.  I guess a knuckleballer can be pretty effective into his mid 40's but... I guess I just really like Myers.  However, the Royals seem to think they have a shot at the division if they add a true ace. 

[joda]

Guess the Mets are pushing hard to trade for Wil Myers, with Dickey being a possibilty.  I guess a knuckleballer can be pretty effective into his mid 40's but... I guess I just really like Myers.  However, the Royals seem to think they have a shot at the division if they add a true ace.

No way should Myers be included in any discussions for Dickey. About any other prospect, maybe, but the only way Myers or any of the current younger starters should be included in the trade is if a top-tier, near ML ready pitching prospect is coming back also. If Myers, Butler, or Gordon are traded (Perez and Escobar should not be traded period) are if it is a young, major league, multi-year controlled starting pitcher.

[j-dub]

the royals trade wil myers and j-dub flips his crap.

[joda]

the royals trade wil myers and j-dub flips his crap.

If Myers goes anywhere and it's not for one of TB's young stud pitchers or their equivilent I'm done with the Royals

[Kat Kid]

the royals trade wil myers and j-dub flips his crap.

If Myers goes anywhere and it's not for one of TB's young stud pitchers or their equivilent I'm done with the Royals

Weird breaking point.
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[jtksu]

Guess the Mets are pushing hard to trade for Wil Myers, with Dickey being a possibilty.  I guess a knuckleballer can be pretty effective into his mid 40's but... I guess I just really like Myers.  However, the Royals seem to think they have a shot at the division if they add a true ace.

No way should Myers be included in any discussions for Dickey. About any other prospect, maybe, but the only way Myers or any of the current younger starters should be included in the trade is if a top-tier, near ML ready pitching prospect is coming back also. If Myers, Butler, or Gordon are traded (Perez and Escobar should not be traded period) are if it is a young, major league, multi-year controlled starting pitcher.

Everything I've read has said Escobar and Perez are both untouchable.  Myers, Butler, Moose, Hos, Gordon are not being shopped but might be available if the right package was presented.  The Royals honestly seem to be actively pursuing a true ace.   I personally would rather lose Butler than Myers, it seems like a DH isn't that hard to find. 

[Cartierfor3]

Make your peace with it now.  They're going to put everything into 2013-2014 and screw it up.  Still, I'll enjoy warm summer evenings at the K. 

[bones129]

Make your peace with it now.  They're going to put everything into 2013-2014 and screw it up.  Still, I'll enjoy warm summer evenings at the K. 

I'm beginning to think this is true, especially with the pursuit of a #1 starter. Looks like Wil is definitely on the table for the right deal. If they trade him, it better pay off tremendously.

That said, the Royals are known for raising expectations...then giving us their version of a KITN. I guess that ould wbe a "RKITN."

[nicname]

Make your peace with it now.  They're going to put everything into 2013-2014 and screw it up.  Still, I'll enjoy warm summer evenings at the K. 

I'm beginning to think this is true, especially with the pursuit of a #1 starter. Looks like Wil is definitely on the table for the right deal. If they trade him, it better pay off tremendously.

That said, the Royals are known for raising expectations...then giving us their version of a KITN. I guess that ould wbe a "RKITN."

I'm fine with it.  As am I fine with trading someone like Myers for Dickey, but only if KC can't sign a similar or equal starting pitcher through the FA market.  Everyone could see the writing on the wall.  Either the club would make moves for starting pitching and try to START winning in 2013, or they would sit on their hands and act like they are still in the building phase.

I'm pleased with what I see them doing.  Dickey has been great and Kauffman would be a great home park, just as it is for a soft-tossing fly-ball pitcher like Guthrie.  If KC could get more than Dickey for Myers then that would be even better.  Eventually this team is going to have to get rid of some guy that is going to hurt, but will enhance the club.  Maybe it is Myers.  Maybe not. 

[EMAWmeister]

Trading Myers for Dickey is the dumbest rough ridin' thing in the world. Christ.

[j-dub]

trading him for james shields is even dumber. but i bet we do it. guthrie has had a lower road era by half a run over the past few years..

but dayton gonna dayton and the royals gonna royal.

i'm pretty close to saying goodbye to the meltdowns and embracing apathy. it does me no good to care.

[Cartierfor3]

trading him for james shields is even dumber. but i bet we do it. guthrie has had a lower road era by half a run over the past few years..

but dayton gonna dayton and the royals gonna royal.

i'm pretty close to saying goodbye to the meltdowns and embracing apathy. it does me no good to care.

Make your peace now, they're going to royally (see what I did there) screw it up.  Best path is to quit caring about the wins and losses, and just head out to the K 6 or 7 times a summer, drink a cold one, and enjoy Major League Baseball in your hometown.

[8manpick]

Trading Myers for Dickey is the dumbest rough ridin' thing in the world. Christ.

What if Myers turns out to be the next Alex Gordon or Eric Hosmer instead of the next Carlos Beltran or Bryce Harper?

If Myers takes time to figure it out at the ML level, he might be a great player on an awful team by the time he figures it out. If getting Dickey means we can make the playoffs this and next year, by all means, trade unproven Will Myers.

I don't want to trade Myers, but if we are looking at winning in the next year or two, I'd rather trade him than Gordon and Perez for sure and probably Butler too.

[joda]

Trading Myers for Dickey is the dumbest rough ridin' thing in the world. Christ.

What if Myers turns out to be the next Alex Gordon or Eric Hosmer instead of the next Carlos Beltran or Bryce Harper?

If Myers takes time to figure it out at the ML level, he might be a great player on an awful team by the time he figures it out. If getting Dickey means we can make the playoffs this and next year, by all means, trade unproven Will Myers.

I don't want to trade Myers, but if we are looking at winning in the next year or two, I'd rather trade him than Gordon and Perez for sure and probably Butler too.

Royals aren't winning much of anything with Francouer in RF, that's why I don't want Myers traded for Dickey. If he's traded for someone like Shields, even if (when) the team continues to suck for the next 2 years Shields can be flipped again to a contender at the deadline and bring back a decent haul. If you trade him for Dickey 1) you're only looking at 1 year of him unless you can work out an extension, 2) if Francouer is still sucking up the place and making the Royals awful when it comes time to flip him a 40 year old knuckleballer isn't going to get anywhere close to a Myers type prospect.

[EMAWmeister]

Trading Myers for Dickey is the dumbest rough ridin' thing in the world. Christ.

What if Myers turns out to be the next Alex Gordon or Eric Hosmer instead of the next Carlos Beltran or Bryce Harper?

If Myers takes time to figure it out at the ML level, he might be a great player on an awful team by the time he figures it out. If getting Dickey means we can make the playoffs this and next year, by all means, trade unproven Will Myers.

I don't want to trade Myers, but if we are looking at winning in the next year or two, I'd rather trade him than Gordon and Perez for sure and probably Butler too.

He's a 38 year old knuckleballer who just figured it out. He's not a sure thing by any means. And even if Wil takes a few years to figure it out, he can't be worse than frenchy and would certainly be cheaper (assuming we can dump frenchy).

[SabiNation]

People act like Jeff Francouer would be the worst player to ever start for a world series (much less playoff) team. 

ProTip: He's rough ridin' not.

Not saying I would like him to start for us next year, nor am I endorsing the Royals trading Myers.  But if you can go out and get a guy that is a legitimate ace, you can live with Frenchy in the OF.

[Cartierfor3]

People act like Jeff Francouer would be the worst player to ever start for a world series (much less playoff) team. 

ProTip: He's rough ridin' not.

Not saying I would like him to start for us next year, but if you can go out and get a guy that is a legitimate ace, you can live with Frenchy in the OF.

He was the worst everyday player in baseball last year

[SabiNation]

He was.  Again, I am not at all endorsing the idea that the Royals should trade Myers.  I would rather them go out and spend the money on a guy like Morrow or McCarthy (assuming they can't afford Anibal Sanchez) than trade Myers.  But I stand by the idea that even IF Francouer were as bad as he was in 2012, he would not be even close to the worst player to start for a world series team.

Just for the sake of using a team from recent memory, look at the 2010 San Francisco Giants starting outfield:
LF Cody Ross (2010: .268 AVG, .405.  Career .260, .460 SLG)
CF Aaron Rowand (2010: .230, .378.  Career .243, .388 SLG)
RF Andres Torres (2010: .268, .479.  Career.271, .435 SLG)

Not exactly Murder's row.

Francouer: Last season's stats: .235 BA, .378 SLG.
               Career: .266, .426 SLG.  Add in one of the best outfield arms ever, and you have a serviceable outfielder.
               (Based on those numbers, you also have to assume that he is a better hitter than he showed last year, even if only marginally.)

What's the difference between the 2010 Giants and the Royals?  The Giants had a very good pitching staff.  Add a David Price/James Shields, and the Royals could also have a good one, to go along with a very good, young bullpen and the potential for a good lineup.

Also - By no means am I expecting this happen.  I'm a lifelong Royals fan and I understand the expectation for the annual KITN.  I just don't quite get the extreme Francouer hate.

[8manpick]

Advanced stats absolutely murder Frenchy. Also RF needs to be an offensive position.  I'm really not sure how we would go into next year with him starting even over Dyson or Lough, much less Myers.