The Royals

[j-dub]

look at this, you fucks with your heads in the sand:

Royals avg runs per game vs. ERA vs winning %

April: 3.95 rpg vs 4.58 era = 6-15 record (.286)

May: 4.17 rpg vs 4.07 era = 15-13 record (.536)

June: 3.78 rpg vs 3.95 era = 14-13 record (.519)

July: 4.52 rpg vs 5.69 era = 6-19 record (.240)

Notice anything? JFC It's almost an exact correlation between pitching well and winning! Holy crap!

Yeah but eff that, let's focus our attention on an overpaid and underachieving right fielder. Gmafb you guys.

dumbass gonna dumbass

[mocat]

look at this, you fucks with your heads in the sand:

Royals avg runs per game vs. ERA vs winning %

April: 3.95 rpg vs 4.58 era = 6-15 record (.286)

May: 4.17 rpg vs 4.07 era = 15-13 record (.536)

June: 3.78 rpg vs 3.95 era = 14-13 record (.519)

July: 4.52 rpg vs 5.69 era = 6-19 record (.240)

Notice anything? JFC It's almost an exact correlation between pitching well and winning! Holy crap!

Yeah but eff that, let's focus our attention on an overpaid and underachieving right fielder. Gmafb you guys.

dumbass gonna dumbass

 

[WillieWatanabe]

getting two players for Broxton looks pretty good right now.

yeah but it doesn't matter. same old song and dance.

dotel for davies. farnsworth for tim collins. burgos sp? for bannister... and on and on.

effing royals. eff me for loving them. it's effing insane.

go join dax in the peanut gallery then.

you can go straight to hell willie watanabe. eff you dorkstore.

heh.

[nicname]

You can be a leader, and a clubhouse guy as fourth outfielder.

give me one example of that ever in the history of life

There are tons of guys with limited ability that remain on big league teams in large part because they possess certain skills and bring a positive influence to the clubhouse while not playing in everyday roles.  You don't hear about them much because their roles aren't front and center.  In fact, when you do hear about them it is in a case like Frenchy, when they are playing everyday and underperforming. 

Guys like Dyson, Maier, and any other guy on any other team that has the ability to fill in in certain situations while being humble enough to except the role will have a positive influence on the team through a variety of ways.  Where they struggle is when they are forced to play ever day and their minimal strengths are eclipsed by their glaring weaknesses.  Most of these types are high character guys who "do it the right way" and not only help the team in their limited capacity on the field, but by being an example for younger, more talented players.

Up until this season Frency was good candidate for a spot outfielder against Lefty pitchers.  He has a cannon arm and possessed pretty decent range in the outfield.  That coupled with being a good clubhouse influence is far more valuable than being an crappy everyday player.

[Cartierfor3]

look at this, you fucks with your heads in the sand:

Royals avg runs per game vs. ERA vs winning %

April: 3.95 rpg vs 4.58 era = 6-15 record (.286)

May: 4.17 rpg vs 4.07 era = 15-13 record (.536)

June: 3.78 rpg vs 3.95 era = 14-13 record (.519)

July: 4.52 rpg vs 5.69 era = 6-19 record (.240)

Notice anything? JFC It's almost an exact correlation between pitching well and winning! Holy crap!

Yeah but eff that, let's focus our attention on an overpaid and underachieving right fielder. Gmafb you guys.

'grats on figuring out how google works.  I'll go back and look through the thread and find the post when I said the pitching wasn't a gigantic problem :foottappingguy:. 

Ok I looked.  Never said the pitching wasn't a complete disaster, but terrible pitching doesn't get Frenchy and dumbass Dayton's contract off the hook.

My head isn't in the sand homie, its out in the open, seeing things clearly.  I love the Royals.  LOVE THEM.  More than you could imagine.  But they're moving me from disappointment, to heartbreak, and now to anger. 

[Cartierfor3]

Sorry everybody, me and Posnanski are going to beat this dead horse a little more.

How did this turn out? This year, by pretty much every advanced baseball statistic, Francoeur is the worst every-day player in baseball. He is even worse than he was in his awful season when the Braves dumped him. That Baseball-Reference statistic shows that he was three games worse than a replacement that they could find almost anywhere. FanGraphs says that, to even things up, Francoeur should pay the Royals $7.6 million.

Meanwhile, Cabrera is hitting .353 for the Giants, leading the National League in hits and was a starter in the All-Star Game. And if this isn’t heartbreaking enough for Kansas City, the player the Royals got in the Cabrera trade, Sanchez, was so bad that midway through the year the Royals dumped him in a trade and ate the part of his salary that they could not unload.

You know why I think the Royals kept Francoeur and dumped Cabrera? I think they liked Francoeur’s attitude more. I think they saw Francoeur as more of a leader, more of an inspirational teammate, more of a hustler, more of a “winner.” I told you, he’s extremely likable. And it’s these sorts of vague and virtually unprovable plaudits that seem to drive so many decisions in baseball, in sports, in life. I’m not telling you that I saw Cabrera’s rise or Francoeur’s fall coming — I expected both to fall — but I am saying that the Royals had to see it coming. They had both players. They watched them both play every day for a year. They HAD to see it. But they did not. And NOT seeing that has led the Royals to where they are in the first place.

http://sportsonearthblog.com/2012/07/31/what-were-they-thinking/

[j-dub]

Sorry everybody, me and Posnanski are going to beat this dead horse a little more.

How did this turn out? This year, by pretty much every advanced baseball statistic, Francoeur is the worst every-day player in baseball. He is even worse than he was in his awful season when the Braves dumped him. That Baseball-Reference statistic shows that he was three games worse than a replacement that they could find almost anywhere. FanGraphs says that, to even things up, Francoeur should pay the Royals $7.6 million.

Meanwhile, Cabrera is hitting .353 for the Giants, leading the National League in hits and was a starter in the All-Star Game. And if this isn’t heartbreaking enough for Kansas City, the player the Royals got in the Cabrera trade, Sanchez, was so bad that midway through the year the Royals dumped him in a trade and ate the part of his salary that they could not unload.

You know why I think the Royals kept Francoeur and dumped Cabrera? I think they liked Francoeur’s attitude more. I think they saw Francoeur as more of a leader, more of an inspirational teammate, more of a hustler, more of a “winner.” I told you, he’s extremely likable. And it’s these sorts of vague and virtually unprovable plaudits that seem to drive so many decisions in baseball, in sports, in life. I’m not telling you that I saw Cabrera’s rise or Francoeur’s fall coming — I expected both to fall — but I am saying that the Royals had to see it coming. They had both players. They watched them both play every day for a year. They HAD to see it. But they did not. And NOT seeing that has led the Royals to where they are in the first place.

http://sportsonearthblog.com/2012/07/31/what-were-they-thinking/

we don't deserve posnanski or rany. but i'm glad to have them. 

[j-dub]

do you see what happens when frenchie and yuni don't play larry

do you see what happens
                                     

[SabiNation]

To be fair, I think that Yost had been forced to some extent to play guys like Yuni and Frenchy because Dayton was trying to trade them before the deadline.  Now that the deadline has passed, I think you will see more lineups like tonight with Dyson and Cain both in the OF instead of Frenchy (and Getz at 2B instead of Yuni) because those guys obviously factor into the future of the organization more so than Frenchy or Yuni.  Ideally I'd like to see Myers as much as any of us would, but either way I think Frenchy will definitely get less and less playing time as the season progresses.

[Cire]

did not see the game, was cain in right?

[SabiNation]

Yes

[Diamond Dave]

Solid get for Broxton. Essentially, Moore worked this one well. he bought Broxton low, banking on him coming back from his injury with the Dodgers, and sold him high (not super high, but high enough). IMO the closer role is a vastly overrated role on the staff. Especially on a crap team. I don't compliment DM much, but I have do give it to him. He does have a great eye for minor league talent. I am anxious to see how these pick ups play into next year. They're both Rule 5 eligible next year so we'll need them on the 40 man roster or risk losing them.

It's no secret. Our starting pitching is horrendous. Like I said earlier in the thread, if DM and DG care one iota about winning next year, they need to pick up two above average arms. History has shown that it's incredibly difficult to develop a rotation from your farm system. Sure you can get a solid guy or two who lives up to expectations, but picking up free agents and acquiring by way of trades are a must. Does it cost money? Of course. But it's essential. Why not bring Odorizzi up? I mean, really, what's the worst that can happen? We really can't get much worse.

Perhaps the most baffling moves to me are continually putting Francoeur and Betancourt in the lineup. I mean, they are both simply terrible. You can argue about being a "clubhouse guy" all you want, but the bottom line is you've gotta produce. And he doesn't. By a long shot. Will Meyers is clowning AAA. Get his ass up here already. The fans will come out to see him. Why are we waiting? And Yuniesky, my god. He was crap for us before. He was crap for Milwaukee. And he's crap for us now. A below average bat and zero mobility in the field. Why he sniffs the field on a regular basis is beyond me. Get Giavetella back up here to get some reps. We gave him all of 21 games, he had a tough time, so we immediately send him down? What happened to DM's "patience" he has demanded from us fans? Guess it's not a two way street.

[8manpick]

I haven't looked at it, but I would guess that part of the reason we haven't seen Myers or Oderizzi is to keep their service clock from starting and have them longer before they are eligible for arbitration.

Sent from my GT-S5830M using Tapatalk 2

[Rage Against the McKee]

To be fair, I think that Yost had been forced to some extent to play guys like Yuni and Frenchy because Dayton was trying to trade them before the deadline.  Now that the deadline has passed, I think you will see more lineups like tonight with Dyson and Cain both in the OF instead of Frenchy (and Getz at 2B instead of Yuni) because those guys obviously factor into the future of the organization more so than Frenchy or Yuni.  Ideally I'd like to see Myers as much as any of us would, but either way I think Frenchy will definitely get less and less playing time as the season progresses.

I agree but you're being way too rational to talk baseball with most of the guys here.

[8manpick]

I agree but you're being way too rational to talk baseball with most of the guys here.

Sent from my GT-S5830M using Tapatalk 2

[Dugout DickStone]

Signing Uni was the mistake.  Not trotting him out there to try and get trade value.

[j-dub]

Signing Uni was the mistake.  Not trotting him out there to try and get trade value.

yep. every other gm in the league already knew those two were turds years ago.

but what if yunibombs a couple right before the deadline and maybs frenchy could raise his average back to 270

then someone will definitely want them 

[j-dub]

Solid get for Broxton. Essentially, Moore worked this one well. he bought Broxton low, banking on him coming back from his injury with the Dodgers, and sold him high (not super high, but high enough). IMO the closer role is a vastly overrated role on the staff. Especially on a crap team. I don't compliment DM much, but I have do give it to him. He does have a great eye for minor league talent. I am anxious to see how these pick ups play into next year. They're both Rule 5 eligible next year so we'll need them on the 40 man roster or risk losing them.

It's no secret. Our starting pitching is horrendous. Like I said earlier in the thread, if DM and DG care one iota about winning next year, they need to pick up two above average arms. History has shown that it's incredibly difficult to develop a rotation from your farm system. Sure you can get a solid guy or two who lives up to expectations, but picking up free agents and acquiring by way of trades are a must. Does it cost money? Of course. But it's essential. Why not bring Odorizzi up? I mean, really, what's the worst that can happen? We really can't get much worse.

Perhaps the most baffling moves to me are continually putting Francoeur and Betancourt in the lineup. I mean, they are both simply terrible. You can argue about being a "clubhouse guy" all you want, but the bottom line is you've gotta produce. And he doesn't. By a long shot. Will Meyers is clowning AAA. Get his ass up here already. The fans will come out to see him. Why are we waiting? And Yuniesky, my god. He was crap for us before. He was crap for Milwaukee. And he's crap for us now. A below average bat and zero mobility in the field. Why he sniffs the field on a regular basis is beyond me. Get Giavetella back up here to get some reps. We gave him all of 21 games, he had a tough time, so we immediately send him down? What happened to DM's "patience" he has demanded from us fans? Guess it's not a two way street.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Signing Uni was the mistake.  Not trotting him out there to try and get trade value.

yep. every other gm in the league already knew those two were turds years ago.

but what if yunibombs a couple right before the deadline and maybs frenchy could raise his average back to 270

then someone will definitely want them 

I could easily see Yuni and Frenchy finding roster spots on NL teams. They would both be pretty decent in a pinch hitting situation with runners in scoring position. Nobody is going to take them at full salary after this season, but the Royals should at least be able to unload a large portion of their salaries.

[j-dub]

Signing Uni was the mistake.  Not trotting him out there to try and get trade value.

yep. every other gm in the league already knew those two were turds years ago.

but what if yunibombs a couple right before the deadline and maybs frenchy could raise his average back to 270

then someone will definitely want them 

I could easily see Yuni and Frenchy finding roster spots on NL teams. They would both be pretty decent in a pinch hitting situation with runners in scoring position. Nobody is going to take them at full salary after this season, but the Royals should at least be able to unload a large portion of their salaries.

exactly. pinch-hit. come off the bench. not start every day. i think we finally understand each other nuts kicked.

from rany, pre-trade deadline..

Or better still: try to find a way to use Broxton – and Mijares if necessary – as a means to get Francoeur off your roster. Offer Broxton to any team, and don’t even ask for a prospect back – just ask them to take Francoeur as well, and you’ll still pay half the money due to him. Hell, throw in Yuni while you’re at it. Getting those two off your roster would do more to help this team win games, both this year and next, than anyone you could actually get for Broxton in return.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Signing Uni was the mistake.  Not trotting him out there to try and get trade value.

yep. every other gm in the league already knew those two were turds years ago.

but what if yunibombs a couple right before the deadline and maybs frenchy could raise his average back to 270

then someone will definitely want them 

I could easily see Yuni and Frenchy finding roster spots on NL teams. They would both be pretty decent in a pinch hitting situation with runners in scoring position. Nobody is going to take them at full salary after this season, but the Royals should at least be able to unload a large portion of their salaries.

exactly. pinch-hit. come off the bench. not start every day. i think we finally understand each other nuts kicked.

from rany, pre-trade deadline..

Or better still: try to find a way to use Broxton – and Mijares if necessary – as a means to get Francoeur off your roster. Offer Broxton to any team, and don’t even ask for a prospect back – just ask them to take Francoeur as well, and you’ll still pay half the money due to him. Hell, throw in Yuni while you’re at it. Getting those two off your roster would do more to help this team win games, both this year and next, than anyone you could actually get for Broxton in return.

Well, that's just ridiculous. I'd rather do what Moore did, getting the two pitching prospects, and then go ahead and keep trotting Francoeur and Yuni out for the rest of this season. I'm not going to start complaining about those guys at this point unless they are still in the starting lineup next year. I would also be pretty disappointed if Giavotella cracks the starting lineup, fwiw, but I'm willing to give him a chance, I guess.

[j-dub]

welp. that was premature.

DEFINITELY NOT BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER NUTS KICKED

[Rage Against the McKee]

welp. that was premature.

DEFINITELY NOT BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER NUTS KICKED

You would rather just trade Broxton for half the salary of Frenchy and Yuni, while giving up those players? Moore can find somebody to take those guys at half salary in the offseason. He doesn't need Broxton to do that deal.

[Cartierfor3]

We really need to be focusing our anger on the water fountain situation out at the stadium. 

[Dugout DickStone]

BITB has blown the lid off of this.  Royals taking tax payer gifts and paying taxes/cable tv/utilities.

Holy eff, he is in his element.