The Royals

[Rage Against the McKee]

OBP isn't everything. Prior to 2011, Melky averaged 34.4 extra base hits and 54 RBI's. Frenchy averaged 49.8 extra base hits and 84 RBI's.

This is true, but Melky spent most of his time batting 1, 2, 7, 8, 9 while Frenchy batted in the 4, 5, 6 spots most of the time.  RBIs are very much an opportunity based statistic. Frenchy has nearly 300 more PAs with RISP than Melky, and their stats are very similar in that situation.

Yeah, their stats are really pretty similar in every situation if you don't look at the last 2 years. Melky gets on base more, and Frenchy has more power. I would have been fine with keeping Melky over Francoeur after last season. I just wanted the Royals to keep one of them and didn't really care which one. Obviously, Melky would have been the better choice, but I don't like judging decisions in retrospect, and at the time of the decision, there really wasn't anything to point to that said it was the colossal eff up it ended up being. Let's just hope Francoeur plays better down the stretch this season, so the Royals can get something for him in trade this offseason.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

OBP isn't everything. Prior to 2011, Melky averaged 34.4 extra base hits and 54 RBI's. Frenchy averaged 49.8 extra base hits and 84 RBI's.

This is true, but Melky spent most of his time batting 1, 2, 7, 8, 9 while Frenchy batted in the 4, 5, 6 spots most of the time.  RBIs are very much an opportunity based statistic. Frenchy has nearly 300 more PAs with RISP than Melky, and their stats are very similar in that situation.

I'd agree that RBI's are opportunity based, but 15 XBHs more per year? Plus, Frenchy is a better defensive player. You can't count how many runs he has saved us this season just because of his reputation. Guys won't run 1st to 3rd as much on a ball hit to right just because they've seen him make that throw so many times.

Yeah, he isn't a fantastic player but he's pretty solid. Myers will be up next year and (hopefully) Frenchy will be gone.

[j-dub]

Isn't j-dub the same guy who said the Chiefs shouldn't take Payton Manning because he costs too much?

okay dum dum. that's false. i could not give less of an eff about PM's contract. go reread the thread liar mcliarson.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Isn't j-dub the same guy who said the Chiefs shouldn't take Payton Manning because he costs too much?

okay dum dum. that's false. i could not give less of an eff about PM's contract. go reread the thread liar mcliarson.

Sorry. That was CartierFor3.

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Weber mentioned that the Kansas City Royals have contacted him about throwing out a first pitch at Kauffman Stadium when the team returns from its Brazil trip.

So if you are “The K” in late August or early September, you may get to see the new Wildcat throw out a pitch.

http://cjonline.com/blog-post/jeremy-deckard/2012-07-16/%E2%80%9Cslow-ride-qa%E2%80%9D-k-state-men%E2%80%99s-basketball-coach-oscar-weber

[Cartierfor3]

Isn't j-dub the same guy who said the Chiefs shouldn't take Payton Manning because he costs too much?

okay dum dum. that's false. i could not give less of an eff about PM's contract. go reread the thread liar mcliarson.

Sorry. That was CartierFor3.

you are misrepresenting what was discussed.  i said 5 years 90 mil was an overpay, before I knew all the outs the Broncos have in the contract. 


keep me out of your Melky argument. 

[nicname]

Melky has been a low OBP, low power player for most of his career.
Frenchy has been a lower OBP player with a bit more pop for much of his career.
Melky is at best and average defensive outfielder.
Frenchy is a plus right fielder.


They are a wash.  KC basically lost a coin flip.  If you want to argue that KC should have done everything possible to keep both of them for this season that's fine, but to blather on about one being better than the other is splitting hairs.

[j-dub]

Melky has been a low OBP, low power player for most of his career.
Frenchy has been a lower OBP player with a bit more pop for much of his career.
Melky is at best and average defensive outfielder.
Frenchy is a plus right fielder.


They are a wash.  KC basically lost a coin flip.  If you want to argue that KC should have done everything possible to keep both of them for this season that's fine, but to blather on about one being better than the other is splitting hairs.

That's my point. If they were pretty equal players all things considered, and we had a team option on Melky, the decision was already made for us. Trigger the team option on Melky and wish Frenchy all the best. We had to go out of our way to get rid of Melky and keep Frenchy. Dayton had to go out of his way to screw it up. Also, Frenchy is not a plus right fielder. His range has significantly deteriorated. He hasn't had plus range in four years. His arm remains amazing, but it's not enough to keep him from having a negative WAR on defense. In fact he has the 9th worst overall WAR among everyday players in MLB.

On another related note. Good grief Dayton. End the Sanchez era already. 7 runs in 1.1 innings. Laughable.

[kstate16]

Melky has been a low OBP, low power player for most of his career.
Frenchy has been a lower OBP player with a bit more pop for much of his career.
Melky is at best and average defensive outfielder.
Frenchy is a plus right fielder.


They are a wash.  KC basically lost a coin flip.  If you want to argue that KC should have done everything possible to keep both of them for this season that's fine, but to blather on about one being better than the other is splitting hairs.

That's my point. If they were pretty equal players all things considered, and we had a team option on Melky, the decision was already made for us. Trigger the team option on Melky and wish Frenchy all the best. We had to go out of our way to get rid of Melky and keep Frenchy. Dayton had to go out of his way to screw it up. Also, Frenchy is not a plus right fielder. His range has significantly deteriorated. He hasn't had plus range in four years. His arm remains amazing, but it's not enough to keep him from having a negative WAR on defense. In fact he has the 9th worst overall WAR among everyday players in MLB.

On another related note. Good grief Dayton. End the Sanchez era already. 7 runs in 1.1 innings. Laughable.

I mean, you have to try to be this bad. against the effing Mariners to, SMH

[8manpick]

At least Salvy is gonna be really, really good!

[Rage Against the McKee]

Melky has been a low OBP, low power player for most of his career.
Frenchy has been a lower OBP player with a bit more pop for much of his career.
Melky is at best and average defensive outfielder.
Frenchy is a plus right fielder.


They are a wash.  KC basically lost a coin flip.  If you want to argue that KC should have done everything possible to keep both of them for this season that's fine, but to blather on about one being better than the other is splitting hairs.

That's my point. If they were pretty equal players all things considered, and we had a team option on Melky, the decision was already made for us. Trigger the team option on Melky and wish Frenchy all the best. We had to go out of our way to get rid of Melky and keep Frenchy. Dayton had to go out of his way to screw it up. Also, Frenchy is not a plus right fielder. His range has significantly deteriorated. He hasn't had plus range in four years. His arm remains amazing, but it's not enough to keep him from having a negative WAR on defense. In fact he has the 9th worst overall WAR among everyday players in MLB.

On another related note. Good grief Dayton. End the Sanchez era already. 7 runs in 1.1 innings. Laughable.

I'm sure Moore shopped both outfielders and pulled the trigger on what he thought was the better deal (and got absolutely robbed). Sanchez appeared to be a serviceable starter in San Francisco, but this season might be the worst season of any Royals starter that I can remember. Who should the Royals bring up, though?

[8manpick]

Melky has been a low OBP, low power player for most of his career.
Frenchy has been a lower OBP player with a bit more pop for much of his career.
Melky is at best and average defensive outfielder.
Frenchy is a plus right fielder.


They are a wash.  KC basically lost a coin flip.  If you want to argue that KC should have done everything possible to keep both of them for this season that's fine, but to blather on about one being better than the other is splitting hairs.

That's my point. If they were pretty equal players all things considered, and we had a team option on Melky, the decision was already made for us. Trigger the team option on Melky and wish Frenchy all the best. We had to go out of our way to get rid of Melky and keep Frenchy. Dayton had to go out of his way to screw it up. Also, Frenchy is not a plus right fielder. His range has significantly deteriorated. He hasn't had plus range in four years. His arm remains amazing, but it's not enough to keep him from having a negative WAR on defense. In fact he has the 9th worst overall WAR among everyday players in MLB.

On another related note. Good grief Dayton. End the Sanchez era already. 7 runs in 1.1 innings. Laughable.

I'm sure Moore shopped both outfielders and pulled the trigger on what he thought was the better deal (and got absolutely robbed). Sanchez appeared to be a serviceable starter in San Francisco, but this season might be the worst season of any Royals starter that I can remember. Who should the Royals bring up, though?

Odorizzi (sp)?

[j-dub]

dayton said odorizzi isn't coming to the big club this year. said he needs to get his "man strength."

yup. man strength. that's what he said.

 

[nicname]

Melky has been a low OBP, low power player for most of his career.
Frenchy has been a lower OBP player with a bit more pop for much of his career.
Melky is at best and average defensive outfielder.
Frenchy is a plus right fielder.


They are a wash.  KC basically lost a coin flip.  If you want to argue that KC should have done everything possible to keep both of them for this season that's fine, but to blather on about one being better than the other is splitting hairs.

That's my point. If they were pretty equal players all things considered, and we had a team option on Melky, the decision was already made for us. Trigger the team option on Melky and wish Frenchy all the best. We had to go out of our way to get rid of Melky and keep Frenchy. Dayton had to go out of his way to screw it up. Also, Frenchy is not a plus right fielder. His range has significantly deteriorated. He hasn't had plus range in four years. His arm remains amazing, but it's not enough to keep him from having a negative WAR on defense. In fact he has the 9th worst overall WAR among everyday players in MLB.

On another related note. Good grief Dayton. End the Sanchez era already. 7 runs in 1.1 innings. Laughable.

Yes, Frenchy is a shell of the outfielder he once was at least this year.  We can argue all day about various things, one thing we won't be arguing over is the ridiculous stubbornness displayed by the Royals front office.  They claim that part of the reason for Frenchy's lack of production is that he has been hurt, but they won't sit his ass down.  They won't stop running a guy like Sanchez out there.  They keep plugging in Yuni.  It sucks. 

[joda]

Ok, I hadn't really been ready to jump on the fire Yost bandwagon just yet, but when you take a guy who had been one of the hottest hitters in the game since he came back and hit him 9th behind Betancourt and Francouer is just laughable. I have no idea whether he has any say on whether Sanchez keeps pitching, but if he does you can add that as another strike against him.

[slobber]

Does Teaford getting the long releif innings finally signal that Sanchez is gone? Won't they have to call somebody up to take Teaford's next start?
NOTE: LRBBIQ because I don't follow them every day.

[kso_FAN]

Does Teaford getting the long releif innings finally signal that Sanchez is gone? Won't they have to call somebody up to take Teaford's next start?
NOTE: LRBBIQ because I don't follow them every day.

Yes. Teaford was supposed to start tomorrow.

[Cire]

JFC Sanchez GTFOOMF

[sonofdaxjones]

7/17/2012 . . . Only 8 games back in the Wild Card race.

Whoop!

[Dugout DickStone]

Obviously this was the end of Sanchez.  But I bet they pretend he was hurt and stick him on the 15 DL.  That is a Royals practice when "hurt" = "sucks but Moore is unable to admit a crappy player"

[parrot14]

Obviously this was the end of Sanchez.  But I bet they pretend he was hurt and stick him on the 15 DL.  That is a Royals practice when "hurt" = "sucks but Moore is unable to admit a crappy player"

15 is not long enough.  He could ride the rest of the (regular) season out on the 60.

[Dugout DickStone]

Obviously this was the end of Sanchez.  But I bet they pretend he was hurt and stick him on the 15 DL.  That is a Royals practice when "hurt" = "sucks but Moore is unable to admit a crappy player"

15 is not long enough.  He could ride the rest of the (regular) season out on the 60.

Denied.  We will see Sanchez pitch again for the Royals.

[8manpick]

Obviously this was the end of Sanchez.  But I bet they pretend he was hurt and stick him on the 15 DL.  That is a Royals practice when "hurt" = "sucks but Moore is unable to admit a crappy player"

15 is not long enough.  He could ride the rest of the (regular) season out on the 60.

Denied.  We will see Sanchez pitch again for the Royals.

[parrot14]

Obviously this was the end of Sanchez.  But I bet they pretend he was hurt and stick him on the 15 DL.  That is a Royals practice when "hurt" = "sucks but Moore is unable to admit a crappy player"

15 is not long enough.  He could ride the rest of the (regular) season out on the 60.

Denied.  We will see Sanchez pitch again for the Royals.

I hope it's after we trade him and he comes back all improved in 5 years.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

Obviously this was the end of Sanchez.  But I bet they pretend he was hurt and stick him on the 15 DL.  That is a Royals practice when "hurt" = "sucks but Moore is unable to admit a crappy player"

15 is not long enough.  He could ride the rest of the (regular) season out on the 60.

Denied.  We will see Sanchez pitch again for the Royals.

I hope it's after we trade him and he comes back all improved in 5 years.

What are we going to trade him for? A Coca-Cola machine for the clubhouse?