The Royals

[mocat]

headline oppo:

Royals give Volquezwagen the peace sign

[kslim]

yeah i guess root for the cleveland mother effing indians then, CF3

i mean, you're not wrong. i just grow tired of DA BAH STAN RED SAUX and OH DERS BIG PAUPI WITH DA DINGA. I rooted hard for Boston in 04 but since then they've kinda become insufferable.

Pretty tuckish

 

nope, he is right. pretty fun team to watch that isnt garbagy human beings

[Cartierfor3]

this cutting salary talk has me worried. like, worried we'll suck forever starting right now

[The Big Train]

I wouldn't worry about it cf3 he said the same thing previous and we ended up spending more.  Once you taste success it's a TOUGH habit to break

[mocat]

i know WAR is arbitrary and whatnot but i wanted to compare 2015 to 2016 royals using espn's values.

(2015/2016)
offense:
cain 5.3/1.7
moose 4.0/0.6
hosmer 3.6/1.7
morales 2.7/1.0
gordon 2.1/0.3
perez 1.7/1.6
dyson 1.1/1.1
escobar 0.7/1.0
colon 0.3/-0.2
orlando 0.1/1.3
bert 0.0/1.1
fieldsie --/1.0
mondo --/-0.3
butera -0.2/0.8
rios -0.5/--
infante -1.1/0.0
zobsie 1.6/--
TOTAL 21.1/12.5

pitchers (i did not list some pitchers here with negligible wars):
davis 3.4/1.8
volksie 2.5/-0.8
youngsie 2.5/-0.9
dano 1.9/1.9
dick duffy 1.5/4.2
herrera 1.4/2.0
medlen 0.1/-0.9
madson 1.7/--
kennedy --/4.1
frank morales 0.7/--
frasor 0.7/--
flynn --/1.1
strahm --/1.1
moylan --/0.6
pounders --/-0.6
j-guts -1.8/--
hoch 0.3/0.3
vargas 0.3/0.5
gee unit --/0.5
soria --/0.5 wtf?
wang --/0.3
TOTAL 16.4/15.5

defense:
cain 2.3/1.3
perez 1.5/2.0
dyson 1.1/2.0
escobar 0.8/0.3
moose 0.8/0.2
infante 0.7/-0.2
orlando 0.5/0.8
colon 0.4/1.0
gordon 0.4/0.0
bert 0.4/-0.9
butera 0.1/-0.1
fieldsie --/0.8
eibner --/0.4
mondo --/0.1
gore! 0.0/0.1
goatee burns --/-0.3
fuentes --/-0.4
it's unbelievable what those boys did -0.3/--
zobsie -0.4/--
hosmer -0.9/-1.5
rios -1.0/--
morales -1.6/-1.4
TOTAL 4.8/4.2

overall WAR:
2015 42.3
2016 32.2

that's a difference of -10.1

[Cartierfor3]

know why I hate WAR? Morales -3.0 defensive WAR in his 2 years. Hes played like 9 games in the field and been fine.

[mocat]

yeah defensive war is pretty all over the place.

for players who play a full season the numbers make sense to me tho. like if you asked me who were the 2 best defensive players in 2016 i'd say dyson and salvy

[Cartierfor3]

Also, Escobar and Morales both at 1.0 oWAR in 2016? Does not even come close to passing the eye test.

We really missed Moose more that we knew.

[sys]

We really missed Moose more that we knew.

what kind of idiot didn't know that?

[8manpick]

A year ago today, Carlos Correa forgot how to field a ground ball

[8manpick]

Also, Escobar and Morales both at 1.0 oWAR in 2016? Does not even come close to passing the eye test.

We really missed Moose more that we knew.

Positional adjustments

[mocat]

A year ago today, Carlos Correa forgot how to field a ground ball

[Winters]

A year ago today, Carlos Correa forgot how to field a ground ball

HAHA!

[kso_FAN]

Guys, I miss the playoffs and posting in this thread every day.

[Cartierfor3]

I should be planning a Lot G tailgate as we speak _FAN. Although financially this is a nice October compared to recent ones

[star seed 7]

I would think royals fans would find some odd comfort in the familiarity of being losers

[kso_FAN]

I should be planning a Lot G tailgate as we speak _FAN. Although financially this is a nice October compared to recent ones

The financial aspects are the only nice part about it.

There is something unique about your team being successful in playoff baseball. Football is probably my favorite sport, but the week by week nature of football isn't quite the same, even in national caliber years like 98 and 12. Plus we didn't finish those years, so that's kind of like an ALDS appearance maybe.

The only sports experience remotely close to the fun of playoff baseball is successful NCAA tournament basketball, and I've only got to see that twice in my lifetime (88 and 10). Back to back years of WS runs was just so special. I miss it.

[mocat]

yeah a baseball championship run is amazing because you party your face off 11 times. no other sport can say that.

[kim carnes]

yeah a baseball championship run is amazing because you party your face off 11 times. no other sport can say that.

NBA u can party like 16 times

[bones129]

FWIW, guys, I think our Royals will trade Wade Davis (and possibly others) for a big bat, banking on Kelvin to become a big stopper, which means they'll rely on Jack to become the 8th inning bridge. I am suspicious.

[Cartierfor3]

Kendrys isn't coming back, is he guys

[mocat]

Kendrys isn't coming back, is he guys

what makes you say that

[Cartierfor3]

Kendrys isn't coming back, is he guys

what makes you say that

my brain

[bones129]

Interesting read concerning the Royals' needs, options, alternatives, etc.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/10/offseason-outlook-kansas-city-royals-7.html

[Cartierfor3]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?draft_type=junreg&query_type=year_round&draft_round=1&year_ID=2011

The World Series really hits home how bad we messed that one up