The Royals

[Asteriskhead]

I hate the Yankees like I hate Baylor.

[mocat]

The Yankees are not Baylor. The Yankees are Texas.

[Asteriskhead]

The Yankees are not Baylor. The Yankees are Texas.

No.

[Asteriskhead]

I wasn't equating the Yankees to Baylor. I don't think you can make comparisons between MLB teams and colleges, at least not in my mind.

[Cartierfor3]

wait, wait, wait. so him being a career woman-respecter and the fact that he was drafted by and played his entire career for the yankees is reason to hate the guy? oh ok. he's going to be #6 on the all time hit list and he's going to have a career batting average of over .310, over the course of like 18 years. i respect his consistency. also he is pretty outspoken about not driving after a single drop of alcohol, also pretty outspoken about his respect for just about every opposing teams' fanbases. idk, weird guy to hate.

I respect him as a player, but his legacy is overblown, and the gifts and standing Os by opposing teams are annoying. He's been a very, very good, very, very healthy and consistent player. He's good, and its ok to celebrate what he's done in baseball.  But yes, the way he treats women is very RockState2000-y. He just has more cash, but it makes me dislike him personally. I'm old fashioned mocat I can't help it.

Not drinking and driving is classy tho.

Also:
Yankees suck. Screw them.

[joda]

wait, wait, wait. so him being a career woman-respecter and the fact that he was drafted by and played his entire career for the yankees is reason to hate the guy? oh ok. he's going to be #6 on the all time hit list and he's going to have a career batting average of over .310, over the course of like 18 years. i respect his consistency. also he is pretty outspoken about not driving after a single drop of alcohol, also pretty outspoken about his respect for just about every opposing teams' fanbases. idk, weird guy to hate.

I respect him as a player, but his legacy is overblown, and the gifts and standing Os by opposing teams are annoying. He's been a very, very good, very, very healthy and consistent player. He's good, and its ok to celebrate what he's done in baseball.  But yes, the way he treats women is very RockState2000-y. He just has more cash, but it makes me dislike him personally. I'm old fashioned mocat I can't help it.

Not drinking and driving is classy tho.

Also:
Yankees suck. Screw them.

I don't really have any problem with Jeter and enjoyed watching him play, I just think these "farewell tours" are ridiculous. If there's some significance (rivalries, player used to play there, etc) sure, give the player a ceremony and gifts. But, for example, the Houston/Mariano Rivera thing last year felt forced and awkward.

['taterblast]

pretty neutral on jeter. great player, seems like an okay guy, but he has nothing to do with me or my teams. so MEH i say.

[mocat]

it sounds like you guys are tired of the constant slobbering over him and the "farewell tour" thing. that's not his fault. in fact, did you see his interview when he was in KC? he interrupted (and apologized  politely of course) a reporter for asking about the farewell tour, and said he hates that term and that's not what this season is for him. give me a minute i'll find it

[mocat]

[Cartierfor3]

May I ask why you give such a crap if people dislike Derek Jeter?

[420seriouscat69]

Cause they probably hate him for stupid reasons. Jealous reasons.

[420seriouscat69]

Also, i think fans of teams that have been dog crap their entire life, tend to start rooting for select players. Ken Griffey, Cal Ripken, The Big Hurt, etc. I find Jeter very fascinating for staying with one team his entire career coming up. That's very rare these days, even though the Yankees could afford to keep him.

[joda]

it sounds like you guys are tired of the constant slobbering over him and the "farewell tour" thing. that's not his fault. in fact, did you see his interview when he was in KC? he interrupted (and apologized  politely of course) a reporter for asking about the farewell tour, and said he hates that term and that's not what this season is for him. give me a minute i'll find it

Yea, don't hate him at all, probably one of my favorite Yankees of my lifetime (the list is very small btw). I hate ESPNs need to constantly over inflate everything that has to do with New York.

[joda]

Also, i think fans of teams that have been dog crap their entire life, tend to start rooting for select players. Ken Griffey, Cal Ripken, The Big Hurt, etc. I find Jeter very fascinating for staying with one team his entire career coming up. That's very rare these days, even though the Yankees could afford to keep him.

It's rare, but it's also not something that he should receive extra attention for either. It's not like he took big discounts to stay in one place or anything like that

[Cartierfor3]

Also, i think fans of teams that have been dog crap their entire life, tend to start rooting for select players. Ken Griffey, Cal Ripken, The Big Hurt, etc. I find Jeter very fascinating for staying with one team his entire career coming up. That's very rare these days, even though the Yankees could afford to keep him.

They would've been better off letting him go when they acquired A-Rod, but the cult of Yankee wouldn't allow it! In fact, they moved the better SS to 3rd so Jeter could stay put.

[420seriouscat69]

Also, i think fans of teams that have been dog crap their entire life, tend to start rooting for select players. Ken Griffey, Cal Ripken, The Big Hurt, etc. I find Jeter very fascinating for staying with one team his entire career coming up. That's very rare these days, even though the Yankees could afford to keep him.

They would've been better off letting him go when they acquired A-Rod, but the cult of Yankee wouldn't allow it! In fact, they moved the better SS to 3rd so Jeter could stay put.

Are you talking about that roided out freak they don't let play anymore?

[nicname]

I don't think we move anyone. We can't get anyone of value, that we need, without giving up an integral piece of what we have now. It doesn't make sense. Plate discipline from our knuckleheads will improve things immensely,  look at Homer over the past 13 games.

[nicname]

Lets dig in to trade talks, but one last thing from yesterday. Anyone else really pleased with how Ned lined up the pitchers? I mean, if Alcides gets the pop up, its 1 run for Chen. Then he goes and brings in Yordano followed by Davis/Holland and we all party. I dump on Ned a lot but I liked the way he used Yordano in that game. It was a HUGE game and Ned did the right thing.

Yes. That and getting extremely lucky running Chen out there to start the game anyway.

[joda]

What would you give to have Stanton on the Royals? (Not what it would take, what you would give)

[Kat Kid]

Also, i think fans of teams that have been dog crap their entire life, tend to start rooting for select players. Ken Griffey, Cal Ripken, The Big Hurt, etc. I find Jeter very fascinating for staying with one team his entire career coming up. That's very rare these days, even though the Yankees could afford to keep him.

They would've been better off letting him go when they acquired A-Rod, but the cult of Yankee wouldn't allow it! In fact, they moved the better SS to 3rd so Jeter could stay put.

Cartier, you are smart which is why this kind of lazy, trolling crap disappoints me.

In 2003 the Yankees had an aging Robin Ventura at 3B.  They had just lost in the World Series after winning 101 games and despite Aaron Boone crushing the Red Sox, he was not a long term option at 3rd.  So the Yankees were looking for a 3B, not a SS.  Sure A-Rod's defense was likely better in 2003 (he was coming off 2x GG before Jeter won the next 3 straight for what those are worth), but he was an ENORMOUS upgrade offensively (and probably defensively) at 3b and the Yankees got to keep one of the best offensive SS of all time.  It was a win-win in almost every way imaginable.  The Yankees did not have to either/or this.  So replacing Jeter with A-Rod would then open up 3rd?

I know a lot of smart baseball people chuckle at Jeter's Gold Gloves and yuk yuk about the leadership and the captain stuff.  That is fine.  But we are talking about one of the best offensive SS of all time.

As for moving Jeter? 
Since 2004:
  BA   OBP   SLG   OPS   OPS+
.306   .371   .427   .799   112   

Here are the other All-Star SS in 2004: 
Carlos Guillen
Miguel Tejada
Michael Young

Edgar Renteria
Barry Larkin
Jack Wilson

2005:
Miguel Tejada
Michael Young

David Eckstein
Cesar Izturis
Felipe Lopez
Jimmy Rollins

2006:
Miguel Tejada
Michael Young

Jose Reyes
David Eckstein
Edgar Renteria

Which of these guys would the Yankees have been better with at SS from 2004-2014?  Any of them?

Here are the 3B
2004:
(A-Rod Started)
Hank Blalock

Scott Rolen
Mike Lowell

2005:
Aramis Ramirez
Morgan Ensberg
Scott Rolen

Melvin Mora

2006:
Troy Glaus

David Wright
Miguel Cabrera
Freddy Sanchez

Best SS? 
Jimmy Rollins (unattainable probably and worse than Jeter)
.270   .330   .433   .763   99

Best 3B?
Scott Rolen (2002-2012)
.278   .358   .480   .837   119

Miguel Cabrera was traded to the Tigers for a huge deal the Yankees could never have offered given their farm system.
David Wright was a rookie in 2004.
Trading for Scott Rolen in 2002 might've made the Yankees better off through 2006, but then Rolen broke down before having one solid season (2010) before having two more below average seasons and retiring.

[mocat]

Kat Kid make sure to give cf3 a gift basket on his way out of your condo

[SdK]

This is the Royals thread assholes.

[slimz]

It's just refreshing to see someone finally stand up for Derek Jeter and point out how awesome he is.

[Kat Kid]

It's just refreshing to see someone finally stand up for Derek Jeter and point out how awesome he is.

Honestly most of the time I hear the haters.  The sabrmetric community went hard after the cult of Jeter's defensive prowess and everyone seemed to take that to mean he sucks.  And if you actually take anything national sports media say and get sucked in to their prism of viewing sports, then that circus goes well beyond Jeter.

[slimz]

It's just refreshing to see someone finally stand up for Derek Jeter and point out how awesome he is.

Honestly most of the time I hear the haters.  The sabrmetric community went hard after the cult of Jeter's defensive prowess and everyone seemed to take that to mean he sucks.  And if you actually take anything national sports media say and get sucked in to their prism of viewing sports, then that circus goes well beyond Jeter.

Yes. There are plenty of people who have a natural disinclination toward liking anyone wearing pinstripes. For some of us, it's because we remember when the Royals were good and there was real, actual animosity between the Royals and the Yanks. And then jealousy set in because the Yanks kept being good while the Royals went to sucktown for two decades. Others just hate the Yankees because frontrunners and ESPN forcefeed, which is ok, because it's annoying, but they're the ones who tend to latch onto the "Jeter sucks!" without acknowledging his offensive achievements. Even the FJM guys defended Jeter the year he should have gotten MVP over Morneau.

It's also pretty easy to be a "classy" guy and stay with one team for your whole career when that one team will give you boatloads of money and is in the greatest city in the world and will bring in the best player in baseball (far superior than you defensively at your position) and make him change positions to accommodate you.

Jeter's been a great offensive shortstop. He's never gone out of his way to be a team player, as far as I can tell. Sending ladies home with an autographed baseball is going to be regarded as stud/boss by some people and as jerky by others. He's always been a guy glad to accept any adoration thrown his way, deserved or not (including this farewell tour), but can you really blame him?

I guess what I'm saying is, weird guy to take up this much Royals thread space as to whether people should like him or dislike him. 

How about how adorbs Salvy was at the HRD last night?