The SLTHst of SLTH

[sys]

Does it make sense if you think your team is inferior?

no.  see my response mid-thread.

[kso_FAN]

NU holding the ball was only a mistake because the other team won, otherwise it would have been a great coaching move.  i mean, the turnover/horrible shot was only a horrible shot because it didn't go in.  i was taught this a few weeks ago on ksufans.com.

what would you want Doc to have them do, run a three man weave for an open lay up?      

True.

Like most close games, it really comes down to if you have make playmakers that can consistently make plays.  NU's best play down the stretch was when Jeter got into the lane and kicked out for the 3 to give NU the lead.  But then BU amped up the defense and took penetration away, on the last play Jeter tried to penetrate but the ball got stripped momentarily leaving him only a forced, guarded shot.  Meanwhile Baylor came down, isolated Udoh, and he scored the go ahead basket, and though he was clearly better than the guy guarding him, it was a difficult play to make.  

I think the problem, especially for a team with few playmakers, is when you run down the clock and your first option is taken away, you are pretty much done.  That is what happened to NU down the stretch.  They did get one decent look for Richardson from 3 on the possession before Baylor took the lead, he just missed.

Pretty much life as a SLTH fan, most of them lose close games b/c they lack playmakers.  Overall Sadler did a great job of muddying up and slowing down the game to get to that point.  Making Baylor play a <60 possession game is exactly what they wanted to do overall.

[catzacker]

I don't understand why coaches do the following:

(a) won't go for 2 for 1's at the end of games/halfs:  coaches will admit that they can get "shots" early in the shot clock but that "you can get that shot any time", so work for something closer/better.  well, if you can get that shot and it's with a shooter, take it.  You get the benefit of "playing defense" - something all coaches just love for some reason, and then get to have the ball in your hands to end the game - something coaches should love more than "playing defense", imo.

(b) wait so long to take a shot when they have the ball under 35.  It usually means you're taking a desperation shot because as the game clock winds down, it becomes more and more chaotic and the defense usually becomes more and more physical and the refs become more and more less likely to call a foul (save for us, the refs have no problem f'ing us in the A).  They usually want the shot up with 5-7 seconds, but I think that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  it fails to recognize that you're probably shooting less than 50% from the field so the likelihood you make the shot is <50%, so plan accordingly.  

[chum1]

Does it make sense if you think your team is inferior?

no.  see my response mid-thread.

If you there are 45 seconds left on the clock, a superior team has a better chance of winning than if there ar 15 seconds left on the clock.  They simply have more opportunity to exert their superior ability.

[Bookcat]

Frank said it himself..and so did Wooly when he was headed out the door. You've got to have the best talent to be successful...and we're building that now. It think the record speaks for itself. 5-1 on the road speaks for itself.


SLTH list:

P. Knight
McDermott
Sadler
Bdzelik(sp?)

out of the futile group....every single one is dealing with rumors about being ousted at the end of next season or the year after.

[steve dave]

Frank said it himself..and so did Wooly when he was headed out the door. You've got to have the best talent to be successful...and we're building that now. It think the record speaks for itself. 5-1 on the road speaks for itself.


SLTH list:

P. Knight
McDermott
Sadler
Bdzelik(sp?)

out of the futile group....every single one is dealing with rumors about being ousted at the end of next season or the year after.

Yeah, we already have about a 3 page thread on this board discussing SLTH qualifications.

[sys]

I don't understand why coaches do the following:

(a) won't go for 2 for 1's at the end of games/halfs:  coaches will admit that they can get "shots" early in the shot clock but that "you can get that shot any time", so work for something closer/better.  well, if you can get that shot and it's with a shooter, take it.  You get the benefit of "playing defense" - something all coaches just love for some reason, and then get to have the ball in your hands to end the game - something coaches should love more than "playing defense", imo.

(b) wait so long to take a shot when they have the ball under 35.  It usually means you're taking a desperation shot because as the game clock winds down, it becomes more and more chaotic and the defense usually becomes more and more physical and the refs become more and more less likely to call a foul (save for us, the refs have no problem f'ing us in the A).  They usually want the shot up with 5-7 seconds, but I think that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  it fails to recognize that you're probably shooting less than 50% from the field so the likelihood you make the shot is <50%, so plan accordingly.  

agree on b.  on a, i've always thought this too, and have recently been paying a lot of attention to clock mgmt at the end of halves/games.  2 for 1 is probably a little underutilized, but not as much as it might seem.  it's really hard with a 35 second clock as there's so much room for the opposing team to take a short or long possession.  the other difference with the nba is that college teams have a ton of turnovers, fouls, violations, etc that change the equation.  it's a lot noisier than it might seem.

[sys]

If you there are 45 seconds left on the clock, a superior team has a better chance of winning than if there ar 15 seconds left on the clock.  They simply have more opportunity to exert their superior ability.

that's just one side of the equation.  you also have to factor in your ability to score in 35 seconds vs 5 seconds.


really, my original post stated all this, concisely and clearly.

[kso_FAN]

So sad...  Almost feel sorry for those poor souls.

[steve dave]

If the Jays don't win in St. Louis, I wonder if the NCAA would match us up with them in an early round game? It would probably make more $$ than most games I would think?

 

[chum1]

If you there are 45 seconds left on the clock, a superior team has a better chance of winning than if there ar 15 seconds left on the clock.  They simply have more opportunity to exert their superior ability.

that's just one side of the equation.  you also have to factor in your ability to score in 35 seconds vs 5 seconds.


really, my original post stated all this, concisely and clearly.

No, because they're superior, your ability to score in a shorter period of time is diminished by far less than their opportunity to do all kinds of damage in a longer period of time.

[catzacker]

jimmy -- We need as many games as we can. If playing in the Lincoln rec league was legal, I'd be all for it. Bring on the CBI. I think the Big 12 should get all of their teams some post season action.

this is awesome.  love the "bowl game practice" mentaility.  it would actually be a detriment cause doc couldn't be out recruiting better players.

p.s.  I can't go back to this.  I just can't. 

[sys]

p.s.  I can't go back to this.  I just can't. 

that's what isu fans thought.  now, they're loving it.

[sys]

No, because they're superior, your ability to score in a shorter period of time is diminished by far less than their opportunity to do all kinds of damage in a longer period of time.

imagine the kind of damage they'd do over the course of 40 minutes.

[chum1]

No, because they're superior, your ability to score in a shorter period of time is diminished by far less than their opportunity to do all kinds of damage in a longer period of time.

imagine the kind of damage they'd do over the course of 40 minutes.

The longer they play, the better their chances of winning are.  That's all that matters.

[pissclams]

the sys vs. chum1 chess match is at a 7 minute stalemate

[WillieWatanabe]

More SLTHyness from sys's 2nd favorite writer....Sean Keeler

“Greg has had the perfect storm of misfortune and fate and bad luck at a time when the Big 12 has gotten as strong as it’s ever been,” Fraschilla continued. “Without casting aspersions on other programs in the conference, I know Greg is going to always do things on the totally up-and-up. And that’s not throw stones at anybody else, but watching him try to build this program, I know he’s tried to do it the right way.”

The right way takes time. Time and patience. There’s still a long walk ahead, but Saturday was a step in the right direction, at least. Sometimes, you have to get lucky before you get good.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/01/30/keeler-raw-column-on-isu-64-colorado-63/

[kso_FAN]

More SLTHyness from sys's 2nd favorite writer....Sean Keeler

“Greg has had the perfect storm of misfortune and fate and bad luck at a time when the Big 12 has gotten as strong as it’s ever been,” Fraschilla continued. “Without casting aspersions on other programs in the conference, I know Greg is going to always do things on the totally up-and-up. And that’s not throw stones at anybody else, but watching him try to build this program, I know he’s tried to do it the right way.”

The right way takes time. Time and patience. There’s still a long walk ahead, but Saturday was a step in the right direction, at least. Sometimes, you have to get lucky before you get good.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/01/30/keeler-raw-column-on-isu-64-colorado-63/

SLTHs have to love it when the former coach/analyst comes to town and the local beat writer asks the guy questions about the coach.  What is Fran's response going to be?  "Greg has no shot of getting it done."?  No way, coaches support each other and aren't going to throw a peer under the bus.  And the diehard SLTH fans are going to eat this up and at least for a while think, "yeah, he really just needs another year to see what he can do here, Frank knows what he's talking about.".

[sys]

i saw this the other day, and actually wished we had an slth quote thread.  this bzy quote elevates slthery to an art form.

I've told the administration, 'I might not be the right fit for you because I want to build this right, so that when it's right, it's rock solid and it's there forever.'

[kso_FAN]

i saw this the other day, and actually wished we had an slth quote thread.  this bzy quote elevates slthery to an art form.

I've told the administration, 'I might not be the right fit for you because I want to build this right, so that when it's right, it's rock solid and it's there forever.'

That is one of the most amazing slth quotes of all time. 

He's really doing his best to take over the best Big 12 SLTH from Doc.

[SleepFighter]

Well Bzz had to do something after Doc came out with, "We get other team's best shot because we suck" .

[Havs]

Frank said it himself..and so did Wooly when he was headed out the door. You've got to have the best talent to be successful...and we're building that now. It think the record speaks for itself. 5-1 on the road speaks for itself.


SLTH list:

P. Knight
McDermott
Sadler
Bdzelik(sp?)

out of the futile group....every single one is dealing with rumors about being ousted at the end of next season or the year after.

However, Greg McDermott has this super-awesome contract until 2015 and a buyout of $4 mil. 

[kso_FAN]

However, Greg McDermott has this super-awesome contract until 2015 and a buyout of $4 mil. 

Come on Haver, what's not to like?

[kso_FAN]

http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2010/02/11/the-value-of-a-coach/*



*Yeah, from a Kitchen tweet.

[_33]

Has any coach ever actually gone to a school that is traditionally not very good, built things "the right way" and after a long, drawn out process become a consistently elite basketball school?