LOL at the Powertards trying to give Props to the Defense . . .

[felix rex]

Harold was pretty awful.  Saw a play where he tried lining up next to the other d-end and the LB had to correct him.  Love Thomas and he is really good but we do need to use Powell more as a change of pace back.  

I actually am getting kinda excited at Zimmerman as a Rashad Washington style safety that comes up to the line a lot.  As shitty as the defense was today, Zimmerman really was the equivalent of awesome.  Did great in kick coverage and if he coulda pulled down the tough interception my mind would've been completely blown

Related note, how unreal was that play by Hunter to regain his balance and get the first down? Zimmy came in with pretty good form. That was just unreal in the replay.

[Sugar Dick]

Saying the defense did enough to win DOES NOT equal the defense is good, great, fixed, etc.  It simply means we did what THIS defense has to do (we know its a bad scheme, has bad players, etc.) to win a game; it kept OSU from a large number of big plays (less than 4 over 30 yards) and by doing this OSU's offense wasn't able to get into complete rhythm and made some mistakes.  The exact same thing we did vs UCLA, ISU, and CFU.  Look, I'd love us to hold opponents to less than 300 yards and give our offense great field position a ton, but that isn't going to happen this year.  We held a good opponent without their best player to 17 points and that is enough to win, even with missing two INTs in the 2nd half. 

What wasn't enough to win was an embarrassing performance by the offense.  Once again (like the CFU game) our offensive line (who is supposed to be a strength) got whipped by an average defensive front.  Again and again. Then when we have opportunities to make plays, a SR QB misses two wide open WRs on our opening drive of the 2nd half, and then a SR WR lets a throw (granted not a great throw) go through his hands for a pick.  And this after spending most of the first half pissing down our legs and missing opportunity after opportunity. 

All I'm saying is take out your frustration where it deserves to be taken out; IMHO that's on an offense that DID NOT live up to the potential of the personnel and abilities of their unit.  The defense did that today and I give them credit, but I don't disagree that they are still a bad defensive unit.

See told you so (not you _Fan, all the other guys)

[ChiComCat]

Harold was pretty awful.  Saw a play where he tried lining up next to the other d-end and the LB had to correct him.  Love Thomas and he is really good but we do need to use Powell more as a change of pace back.  

I actually am getting kinda excited at Zimmerman as a Rashad Washington style safety that comes up to the line a lot.  As shitty as the defense was today, Zimmerman really was the equivalent of awesome.  Did great in kick coverage and if he coulda pulled down the tough interception my mind would've been completely blown

Related note, how unreal was that play by Hunter to regain his balance and get the first down? Zimmy came in with pretty good form. That was just unreal in the replay.

Yea, from my vantage point I couldn't really see it and was getting ready to bitch about the defense.  Then I saw the replay and couldn't reasonably be upset.  

[Trim]

Agreed.  Our POTY on Defense is a freshman Safety from Junction City with how many other offers?

Maybe we should've give Asbury's strategy more time? 

[Dugout DickStone]

Agreed.  Our POTY on Defense is a freshman Safety from Junction City with how many other offers?

Maybe we should've give Asbury's strategy more time? 

Not too late...?   

[Trim]

I think this is the x's and o's thread.

_FAN, are our run plays much slower developing than other teams or am I just picking at that unreasonably because of the poor results?

[Sugar Dick]

Question:

Who's more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), the "powertards" who thought are defense played well, or the "goemawdorks" who think our defense should have held OSU to some unknown number of fewer total yards?

I'm goin with the goemawdorks

:goemawtardapproved:

[sonofdaxjones]

You're completely rough ridin' this up Dick.

[Dugout DickStone]

Question:

Who's more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), the "powertards" who thought are defense played well, or the "goEMAWdorks" who think our defense should have held OSU to some unknown number of fewer total yards?

I'm goin with the goEMAWdorks

:goEMAWtardapproved:

Where do "people who think that we weren't going to win playing 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense" fit in?

[Sugar Dick]

You're completely effing this up Dick.

Defense improved 180 yards week-over-week    Cosh HCIW???

Seriously, am I supposed to be complaining about our D relative to previous years teams, or just this season?    

I'm having a hard time getting into the defense hate when they give up 17 points to the #2 offense in the country.  I just kinda knew with no DT's worth sh)t we weren't going to be able to stop anyone consistently, no matter how well our secondary plays.  Kibble has been a dissapointment and Felder is too small

[ChiComCat]

Question:

Who's more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), the "powertards" who thought are defense played well, or the "goemawdorks" who think our defense should have held OSU to some unknown number of fewer total yards?

I'm goin with the goemawdorks

:goemawtardapproved:

Keep thinking our defense did awesome by getting an absurd number of breaks.  Accept a mediocre performance from our shitty defense.  In fact, praise it.  You and your ilk are the dumbfucks that are going to be responsible for another year of Chris rough ridin' Cosh.  

Enjoy that blood on your hands

[sys]

Love Thomas and he is really good.

pffft.

[wetwillie]

OSU had an average starting field position on their own 25 yard line, I think this contributes greatly to the fact that they only scored 17 points on offense.  That coupled with an obviously conservative game plan contributes quite a bit towards the number of points compared to the yards.  The defense didnt give up any points in OSU's first six possessions but a lot of that was bad breaks for OSU and not forced by our defense.  The defense still is garbage but at least I have to give them credit for falling on fumbles when they happened.  Would love to see us use powell more in the CTR to at least give DT a shot at making it through the season in one piece.

[Panjandrum]

Our defense was extremely fortunate with some fumbles and some penalties killing OSU drives.  If you are satisfied crossing your fingers for that cac every game, then yes the defense was good.

THIS.

THIS +1

The bar has been set so low for this defense that ants would find it hard to squeeze through.

"Well, we know the defense is going to give up 500 yards.  But we just have to hope the other team miraculously turns it over and shits themselves several times because that's how the defense was designed to work."

If your defensive strategy is to pray the other team sucks more than you do and beats themselves, you need a different rough ridin' strategy.

I know the defense isn't talented, and I know that they aren't very good.  But they sure as hell aren't this bad.  It's a stupid strategy being exploited by teams that realize our defensive coordinator is a functional Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

[Panjandrum]

Its not the first time Snyder has been outcoached.  But being outcoached coincides often with poor talent, see 2001. 

The only sliver of excuse I'll give is that it doesn't help our offense that we are without 2 of our top 3 WRs. 

The parallel that you can draw is that in 2001, we had a horrible offense and our defense was being coached by an overrated coordinator.

Bennett, for all that laud him, was ultra-aggressive, and when he didn't have an offense behind him that could make up for their hyper aggressive tendencies, they got exploited.

Anyway, this season has the same feel.  We've got a hamstrung offense, and we can't do anything about that.  Got it.  But we're being coordinated out of wins on defense because they're playing a style that's not conducive for teams with our deficiencies.  Or at least that's how I feel.

[Pexikan]

OK State got what they needed, when they needed it. One good half defensively from kstate doesn't mean crap.  BTW, anyone who thinks our D actually made an improvement from prevous games needs to look at that OSU drive to end the 1st half.

Hunters 11 yard rush on 2nd down...Weeden to Anderson for 40 yards on the very next play to our 16... then 3rd and 9 on our 15, hoping for a hold/FG try...TD over Stephen Harrisons' head.  7-7. Took em a whopping 1 minute 12 seconds to go 67 yards.  Horrible.

OSU's 1st possession of the 3rd quarter after we blow the FG try: 11 plays, 80 yards. 16 yard TD pass to Cooper.  They only faced ONE 3rd down the entire drive.  11 plays. ONE 3rd down. Horrible.

This is the same D as last week.  OSU just played poorly, without their best wideout, and they still put up over 500 and rushed for over 200.  I saw NO difference at all.  Falling on OSU fumbles doesn't constitute as good D.

[felix rex]

You're completely effing this up Dick.

'm having a hard time getting into the defense hate when they give up 17 points to the #2 offense in the country.  I just kinda knew with no DT's worth sh)t we weren't going to be able to stop anyone consistently, no matter how well our secondary plays.  Kibble has been a dissapointment and Felder is too small

You sound like the retards defending Coffman.

[sonofdaxjones]

OK State got what they needed, when they needed it. One good half defensively from kstate doesn't mean crap.  BTW, anyone who thinks our D actually made an improvement from prevous games needs to look at that OSU drive to end the 1st half.

Hunters 11 yard rush on 2nd down...Weeden to Anderson for 40 yards on the very next play to our 16... then 3rd and 9 on our 15, hoping for a hold/FG try...TD over Stephen Harrisons' head.  7-7. Took em a whopping 1 minute 12 seconds to go 67 yards.  Horrible.

OSU's 1st possession of the 3rd quarter after we blow the FG try: 11 plays, 80 yards. 16 yard TD pass to Cooper.  They only faced ONE 3rd down the entire drive.  11 plays. ONE 3rd down. Horrible.

This is the same D as last week.  OSU just played poorly, without their best wideout, and they still put up over 500 and rushed for over 200.  I saw NO difference at all.  Falling on OSU fumbles doesn't constitute as good D.

A Grand Slam by Pexikan. 

[Harry Dunne]

OK State got what they needed, when they needed it. One good half defensively from kstate doesn't mean cac.  BTW, anyone who thinks our D actually made an improvement from prevous games needs to look at that OSU drive to end the 1st half.

Hunters 11 yard rush on 2nd down...Weeden to Anderson for 40 yards on the very next play to our 16... then 3rd and 9 on our 15, hoping for a hold/FG try...TD over Stephen Harrisons' head.  7-7. Took em a whopping 1 minute 12 seconds to go 67 yards.  Horrible.

OSU's 1st possession of the 3rd quarter after we blow the FG try: 11 plays, 80 yards. 16 yard TD pass to Cooper.  They only faced ONE 3rd down the entire drive.  11 plays. ONE 3rd down. Horrible.

This is the same D as last week.  OSU just played poorly, without their best wideout, and they still put up over 500 and rushed for over 200.  I saw NO difference at all.  Falling on OSU fumbles doesn't constitute as good D.

[sonofdaxjones]

157 yards gained in 5 plays by OSU (courtesy of TOS).

[Kat Kid]

OK State got what they needed, when they needed it. One good half defensively from kstate doesn't mean crap.  BTW, anyone who thinks our D actually made an improvement from prevous games needs to look at that OSU drive to end the 1st half.

Hunters 11 yard rush on 2nd down...Weeden to Anderson for 40 yards on the very next play to our 16... then 3rd and 9 on our 15, hoping for a hold/FG try...TD over Stephen Harrisons' head.  7-7. Took em a whopping 1 minute 12 seconds to go 67 yards.  Horrible.

OSU's 1st possession of the 3rd quarter after we blow the FG try: 11 plays, 80 yards. 16 yard TD pass to Cooper.  They only faced ONE 3rd down the entire drive.  11 plays. ONE 3rd down. Horrible.

This is the same D as last week.  OSU just played poorly, without their best wideout, and they still put up over 500 and rushed for over 200.  I saw NO difference at all.  Falling on OSU fumbles doesn't constitute as good D.

going, going gone.  wow.