LOL at the Powertards trying to give Props to the Defense . . .

[CHONGS]

ksu_FAN is correct.

[Pete]

ksu_FAN is correct.

About which part?  Saying that we have a bad defensive scheme or that the offense was poorly directed?

[CHONGS]

ksu_FAN is correct.

About which part?  Saying that we have a bad defensive scheme or that the offense was poorly directed?

The defense played about as well as they could, and our o-line was brutal.  CCQ was trying to do too much, but I blame Bill and crew for that.

[Pete]

ksu_FAN is correct.

About which part?  Saying that we have a bad defensive scheme or that the offense was poorly directed?

The defense played about as well as they could, and our o-line was brutal.  CCQ was trying to do too much, but I blame Bill and crew for that.

So the later and not the former, then. 

[Kat Kid]

Yeah our Defense is awful.  They pretty much pitched a shutout when you grade on their curve.  The problem today was slow ass daniel thomas, no touches for powell, our inability to throw the ball down field (or bubble screens) and not taking advantage of turnovers.  Points off turnovers.  Huge stat.  If our O hadn't been gifted penalties we would not have scored double digits.

[kso_FAN]

Yeah our Defense is awful.  They pretty much pitched a shutout when you grade on their curve.  The problem today was slow ass daniel thomas, no touches for powell, our inability to throw the ball down field (or bubble screens) and not taking advantage of turnovers.  Points off turnovers.  Huge stat.  If our O hadn't been gifted penalties we would not have scored double digits.

Good post.

[Pete]

Yeah our Defense is awful.  They pretty much pitched a shutout when you grade on their curve.  The problem today was slow ass daniel thomas, no touches for powell, our inability to throw the ball down field (or bubble screens) and not taking advantage of turnovers.  Points off turnovers.  Huge stat.  If our O hadn't been gifted penalties we would not have scored double digits.

Agreed.  We were out coached, again.  This is not supposed to be happening to us. 

[ChiComCat]

I don't disagree that the defense held them to low enough scoring for us to win.  The offense sucked and they are probably more to blame.  That said, anybody saying the defense was good is a jackass.  Ty Zimmerman saved at least two touchdowns throughout the course of the game.  Ty rough ridin' Zimmerman was our defense.  The D-Line was embarassing.  I don't think I have ever seen one unit look like such crap for any KSU game in my life.  Their QB had all day to throw every goddamn time.

Not really disagreeing with you, _FAN.  I'm just extremely frustrated with the defense.  Despite the point total, it was a total embarassment.  At least I was drunk when I watched the Nebraska debacle

[Pete]

I don't disagree that the defense held them to low enough scoring for us to win.  The offense sucked and they are probably more to blame.  That said, anybody saying the defense was good is a jackass.  Ty Zimmerman saved at least two touchdowns throughout the course of the game.  Ty effing Zimmerman was our defense.  The D-Line was embarassing.  I don't think I have ever seen one unit look like such cac for any KSU game in my life.  Their QB had all day to throw every goddamn time.

Not really disagreeing with you, _FAN.  I'm just extremely frustrated with the defense.  Despite the point total, it was a total embarassment.  At least I was drunk when I watched the Nebraska debacle

Good post

[kso_FAN]

Yeah our Defense is awful.  They pretty much pitched a shutout when you grade on their curve.  The problem today was slow ass daniel thomas, no touches for powell, our inability to throw the ball down field (or bubble screens) and not taking advantage of turnovers.  Points off turnovers.  Huge stat.  If our O hadn't been gifted penalties we would not have scored double digits.

Agreed.  We were out coached, again.  This is not supposed to be happening to us.  

Yep, but mainly with our offense and inability to adjust and find holes in a bad defense.

Again, the defense is not good, but this was a much better game-plan.  We brought safeties up and used them well in run support (even if Hartman and Lamur continue to not make plays) and still managed not to get beat over the top besides the play late in the 2nd half.  We tried to bring more blitzes, though they didn't result in pressure.  But the biggest thing is we didn't give up a ton of big plays.

[Kat Kid]

Agreed.  Our POTY on Defense is a freshman Safety from Junction City with how many other offers?

I mean I agree he's played well.  He deserves to be a player on a Big 12 team, but Ty's outstanding play speaks to the complete lack of talent and depth.

[kso_FAN]

I don't disagree that the defense held them to low enough scoring for us to win.  The offense sucked and they are probably more to blame.  That said, anybody saying the defense was good is a jackass.  Ty Zimmerman saved at least two touchdowns throughout the course of the game.  Ty effing Zimmerman was our defense.  The D-Line was embarassing.  I don't think I have ever seen one unit look like such cac for any KSU game in my life.  Their QB had all day to throw every goddamn time.

Not really disagreeing with you, _FAN.  I'm just extremely frustrated with the defense.  Despite the point total, it was a total embarassment.  At least I was drunk when I watched the Nebraska debacle

Good post

Understandable. 

[Pete]

Yeah our Defense is awful.  They pretty much pitched a shutout when you grade on their curve.  The problem today was slow ass daniel thomas, no touches for powell, our inability to throw the ball down field (or bubble screens) and not taking advantage of turnovers.  Points off turnovers.  Huge stat.  If our O hadn't been gifted penalties we would not have scored double digits.

Agreed.  We were out coached, again.  This is not supposed to be happening to us. 

Yep, but mainly with our offense and inability to adjust and find holes in a bad defense.

Again, the defense is not good, but this was a much better game-plan.  We brought safeties up and used them well in run support (even if Hartman and Lamur continue to not make plays) and still managed not to get beat over the top besides the play late in the 2nd half.  We tried to bring more blitzes, though they didn't result in pressure.  But the biggest thing is we didn't give up a ton of big plays.

Completely agree on the lessening of big plays, but they were still there (just not 80 yarders).  This was a welcomed improvement.

Obviously trading out our linebackers for Arthur Brown and (HOPEFULLY) another juco LB will make a big difference in preventing the extra 5 yards Hunter and Randall seemed to get every single time they got near our LBs.

However, I am rough ridin' furious about the problems that can be attributed to coaching.  There are only TWO reasons to keep Bill Sndyer, and that's fund raising and the long standing notion that he will out-coach his opponent.


Currie and Veatch have secured our funding, so that's almost completely off the table now.   If we continue to get out-coached...if our defense (and offense) continue to be in bad positions, then why the hell do we have Bill Sndyer?  Recruiting? 

[kso_FAN]

Yeah our Defense is awful.  They pretty much pitched a shutout when you grade on their curve.  The problem today was slow ass daniel thomas, no touches for powell, our inability to throw the ball down field (or bubble screens) and not taking advantage of turnovers.  Points off turnovers.  Huge stat.  If our O hadn't been gifted penalties we would not have scored double digits.

Agreed.  We were out coached, again.  This is not supposed to be happening to us. 

Yep, but mainly with our offense and inability to adjust and find holes in a bad defense.

Again, the defense is not good, but this was a much better game-plan.  We brought safeties up and used them well in run support (even if Hartman and Lamur continue to not make plays) and still managed not to get beat over the top besides the play late in the 2nd half.  We tried to bring more blitzes, though they didn't result in pressure.  But the biggest thing is we didn't give up a ton of big plays.

Completely agree on the lessening of big plays, but they were still there (just not 80 yarders).  This was a welcomed improvement.

Obviously trading out our linebackers for Arthur Brown and (HOPEFULLY) another juco LB will make a big difference in preventing the extra 5 yards Hunter and Randall seemed to get every single time they got near our LBs.

However, I am effing furious about the problems that can be attributed to coaching.  There are only TWO reasons to keep Bill Sndyer, and that's fund raising and the long standing notion that he will out-coach his opponent.


Currie and Veatch have secured our funding, so that's almost completely off the table now.   If we continue to get out-coached...if our defense (and offense) continue to be in bad positions, then why the hell do we have Bill Sndyer?  Recruiting? 

Its not the first time Snyder has been outcoached.  But being outcoached coincides often with poor talent, see 2001. 

The only sliver of excuse I'll give is that it doesn't help our offense that we are without 2 of our top 3 WRs. 

[ChiComCat]

I don't hate Snyder coaching this team.  I hate Cosh coaching here.  If one can't seperate himself from the other, damn them both.  

Yeah our Defense is awful.  They pretty much pitched a shutout when you grade on their curve.  The problem today was slow ass daniel thomas, no touches for powell, our inability to throw the ball down field (or bubble screens) and not taking advantage of turnovers.  Points off turnovers.  Huge stat.  If our O hadn't been gifted penalties we would not have scored double digits.

Agreed.  We were out coached, again.  This is not supposed to be happening to us. 

Yep, but mainly with our offense and inability to adjust and find holes in a bad defense.

Again, the defense is not good, but this was a much better game-plan.  We brought safeties up and used them well in run support (even if Hartman and Lamur continue to not make plays) and still managed not to get beat over the top besides the play late in the 2nd half.  We tried to bring more blitzes, though they didn't result in pressure.  But the biggest thing is we didn't give up a ton of big plays.

Completely agree on the lessening of big plays, but they were still there (just not 80 yarders).  This was a welcomed improvement.

Obviously trading out our linebackers for Arthur Brown and (HOPEFULLY) another juco LB will make a big difference in preventing the extra 5 yards Hunter and Randall seemed to get every single time they got near our LBs.

However, I am effing furious about the problems that can be attributed to coaching.  There are only TWO reasons to keep Bill Sndyer, and that's fund raising and the long standing notion that he will out-coach his opponent.


Currie and Veatch have secured our funding, so that's almost completely off the table now.   If we continue to get out-coached...if our defense (and offense) continue to be in bad positions, then why the hell do we have Bill Sndyer?  Recruiting? 

Its not the first time Snyder has been outcoached.  But being outcoached coincides often with poor talent, see 2001. 

The only sliver of excuse I'll give is that it doesn't help our offense that we are without 2 of our top 3 WRs. 

Good point, Quarles really mumped us in this game

[Pete]

Yeah our Defense is awful.  They pretty much pitched a shutout when you grade on their curve.  The problem today was slow ass daniel thomas, no touches for powell, our inability to throw the ball down field (or bubble screens) and not taking advantage of turnovers.  Points off turnovers.  Huge stat.  If our O hadn't been gifted penalties we would not have scored double digits.

Agreed.  We were out coached, again.  This is not supposed to be happening to us. 

Yep, but mainly with our offense and inability to adjust and find holes in a bad defense.

Again, the defense is not good, but this was a much better game-plan.  We brought safeties up and used them well in run support (even if Hartman and Lamur continue to not make plays) and still managed not to get beat over the top besides the play late in the 2nd half.  We tried to bring more blitzes, though they didn't result in pressure.  But the biggest thing is we didn't give up a ton of big plays.

Completely agree on the lessening of big plays, but they were still there (just not 80 yarders).  This was a welcomed improvement.

Obviously trading out our linebackers for Arthur Brown and (HOPEFULLY) another juco LB will make a big difference in preventing the extra 5 yards Hunter and Randall seemed to get every single time they got near our LBs.

However, I am effing furious about the problems that can be attributed to coaching.  There are only TWO reasons to keep Bill Sndyer, and that's fund raising and the long standing notion that he will out-coach his opponent.


Currie and Veatch have secured our funding, so that's almost completely off the table now.   If we continue to get out-coached...if our defense (and offense) continue to be in bad positions, then why the hell do we have Bill Sndyer?  Recruiting? 

Its not the first time Snyder has been outcoached.  But being outcoached coincides often with poor talent, see 2001. 

The only sliver of excuse I'll give is that it doesn't help our offense that we are without 2 of our top 3 WRs. 

I am struggling with your point that being outcoached coincides with poor talent    Even if they are lower level D1 talent, it doesn't mean that they aren't physically capable of moving to a designated spot on the field, does it?  Are you saying that the coaching is sound, but the players are not capable of executing the plan, or that the plan is overestimating the quality of our players?

Having both conditions be true is obviously devastating. 

[kso_FAN]

I am struggling with your point that being outcoached coincides with poor talent    Even if they are lower level D1 talent, it doesn't mean that they aren't physically capable of moving to a designated spot on the field, does it?  Are you saying that the coaching is sound, but the players are not capable of executing the plan, or that the plan is overestimating the quality of our players?

Having both conditions be true is obviously devastating. 

All it takes in football is poor talent at one or two positions.  For example, its pretty clear that right now offenses are specifically attacking Hartman/Lamur.  You get a better player at that spot and it makes a huge difference.  Same if you can find a playmaker at DT or LB.  Huge difference if you can just get 2 or 3 better players on the field, so I'm not without hope.

[Dugout DickStone]

I am struggling with your point that being outcoached coincides with poor talent    Even if they are lower level D1 talent, it doesn't mean that they aren't physically capable of moving to a designated spot on the field, does it?  Are you saying that the coaching is sound, but the players are not capable of executing the plan, or that the plan is overestimating the quality of our players?

Having both conditions be true is obviously devastating. 

All it takes in football is poor talent at one or two positions.  For example, its pretty clear that right now offenses are specifically attacking Hartman/Lamur.  You get a better player at that spot and it makes a huge difference.  Same if you can find a playmaker at DT or LB.  Huge difference if you can just get 2 or 3 better players on the field, so I'm not without hope.

And we are even weaker at QB.

[ChiComCat]

I thought Carsy managed the game alright with the exception of the dumbass interceptions.  Then again, the dumbass interceptions are kinda a huge rough ridin' deal.

[felix rex]

I am struggling with your point that being outcoached coincides with poor talent    Even if they are lower level D1 talent, it doesn't mean that they aren't physically capable of moving to a designated spot on the field, does it?  Are you saying that the coaching is sound, but the players are not capable of executing the plan, or that the plan is overestimating the quality of our players?

Having both conditions be true is obviously devastating. 

All it takes in football is poor talent at one or two positions.  For example, its pretty clear that right now offenses are specifically attacking Hartman/Lamur.  You get a better player at that spot and it makes a huge difference.  Same if you can find a playmaker at DT or LB.  Huge difference if you can just get 2 or 3 better players on the field, so I'm not without hope.

Plus, per Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences, understanding and recognizing where you should be is a "talent." In a lot of ways, Snyder is driving this thing home without a clutch.

[Pete]

I am struggling with your point that being outcoached coincides with poor talent    Even if they are lower level D1 talent, it doesn't mean that they aren't physically capable of moving to a designated spot on the field, does it?  Are you saying that the coaching is sound, but the players are not capable of executing the plan, or that the plan is overestimating the quality of our players?

Having both conditions be true is obviously devastating. 

All it takes in football is poor talent at one or two positions.  For example, its pretty clear that right now offenses are specifically attacking Hartman/Lamur.  You get a better player at that spot and it makes a huge difference.  Same if you can find a playmaker at DT or LB.  Huge difference if you can just get 2 or 3 better players on the field, so I'm not without hope.

Makes sense, particularly with Arthur and Meshak coming in, but we'll have the same safeties next year.   

[Acceleration Man]

Zims and Harrison had a pretty good game. Harold was completely non-existent, as was the rest of our D-line. I actually was glad to see some blitzes, but the fact that we were never able to get to the QB, or even bat down balls was very telling.

The offense probably played a little worse than the defense, and was very frustrating. I think it was a combination of the lack of our top 2 receivers, Carsy's inability to throw a long ball in stride, Thomas' ultra-patient (read: give the D time to swarm) running style, and some bad play calling. The last is probably the most frustrating to me. We were determined to keep running draws to Thomas on 1st and 2nd downs for 2 yards each. It's odd, because at times you see flashes of really good play-calling, but then it goes back to   almost immediately.

The worst had to be at the end of the game when we had to call a time-out to decide to QB sneak or run a draw at the 2. Then we come out of the time out, run a play, and then proceed to HUDDLE and waste 30 seconds to decide to do the same play (at the angst of Snyds, btw). Completely embarrassing, and shows the lack of preparedness and/or communication between coaches & players. Then we get the ball back, and Carsy checks down to his 3-yards-deep crossing routes in the middle of the field. Really stupid for a Senior QB. Incredibly dumb.

[Acceleration Man]

All it takes in football is poor talent at one or two positions.  For example, its pretty clear that right now offenses are specifically attacking Hartman/Lamur.  You get a better player at that spot and it makes a huge difference.  Same if you can find a playmaker at DT or LB.  Huge difference if you can just get 2 or 3 better players on the field, so I'm not without hope.

Know what irks me? These players were supposed to be 2 of our BEST on defense this year. Particularly disappointed with Lamur. Explain to me why that is, _Fan (and btw, it's time to change your sig) 

[Harry Dunne]

we played bad.

[ChiComCat]

Harold was pretty awful.  Saw a play where he tried lining up next to the other d-end and the LB had to correct him.  Love Thomas and he is really good but we do need to use Powell more as a change of pace back.  

I actually am getting kinda excited at Zimmerman as a Rashad Washington style safety that comes up to the line a lot.  As shitty as the defense was today, Zimmerman really was the equivalent of awesome.  Did great in kick coverage and if he coulda pulled down the tough interception my mind would've been completely blown