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[Sugar Dick]

The United States was founded on liberalism.  Look up Thomas Jefferson and John Locke sometime.

You know nothing.  Citing those two as example of liberals makes your argument even worse.  Jeffersonian Democrats are present day tea party people.  Jefferson pretty much plagiarized Locke so there's that.

You're misunderstanding what it means to be a liberal today vs. 200-300 years ago

Not at all.  The right wing has demonized the term "liberal" to the point that people forget what it truly means.  Modern day liberals are completely in support of expanding individual freedom and equal rights, as well as maintaining a separation of church and state.  As far as Jefferson goes, he modified Locke's theory of "life, liberty, and property" to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." 

No they aren't, they are in favor of creating an enormous government to mandate their own ideas (which are the super-minority) and force everyone else to adhere to them whether those other people agree/believe in them or not.  It's actually quite the opposite, very authoritarian.  Its more like the New Church of Liberalism than any separation of church and state.

[bubbles4ksu]

Sugar Dick you are at least an "A" grade in a world history class away from being correct here.

[Sugar Dick]

Anyone else think its weird BMW chose a Wealthy, White Male, who was a farmer (lib translation:  redneck or hick) and slave owner (allegedly raped some of them), diametrically opposed to a central bank, and who wanted limited, if any at all, federal government, as the historical figure most representative of the modern day liberal movement?

I bet TJ even owned a few guns 

[Dirty Sanchez]

I'm sure Madison just happened to forget the "Congress shall require the purchase of health insurance from private companies" clause.

[bubbles4ksu]

Anyone else think its weird BMW chose a Wealthy, White Male, who was a farmer (lib translation:  redneck or hick) and slave owner (allegedly raped some of them), diametrically opposed to a central bank, and who wanted limited, if any at all, federal government, as the historical figure most representative of the modern day liberal movement?

I bet TJ even owned a few guns 

i think its weird that you don't get that the dudes who founded the country had liberal ideals similar to today's libs.

[06wildcat]

Ben Franklin would be despised by the Tea Party today. His hypocrisy would fit in well with modern-day politics though.

[bubbles4ksu]

I'm sure Madison just happened to forget the "Congress shall require the purchase of health insurance from private companies" clause.

Amen, brother.   Same way Washington forgot to declare that we were going to "go to the moon in this decade."  Times change, but the fact that conservatives didn't have friends in high school does not.

[Dirty Sanchez]

I'm sure Madison just happened to forget the "Congress shall require the purchase of health insurance from private companies" clause.

Amen, brother.   Same way Washington forgot to declare that we were going to "go to the moon in this decade."  Times change, but the fact that conservatives didn't have friends in high school does not.

If we just change what definitions are because "times change," then what good is there to even having a Constitution?  I mean, why don't we just make it up as we go?  Seems to make as much sense.  Let's tear it up right now.

[Sugar Dick]

Anyone else think its weird BMW chose a Wealthy, White Male, who was a farmer (lib translation:  redneck or hick) and slave owner (allegedly raped some of them), diametrically opposed to a central bank, and who wanted limited, if any at all, federal government, as the historical figure most representative of the modern day liberal movement?

I bet TJ even owned a few guns 

i think its weird that you don't get that the dudes who founded the country had liberal ideals similar to today's libs.

name one

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm sure Madison just happened to forget the "Congress shall require the purchase of health insurance from private companies" clause.

Amen, brother.   Same way Washington forgot to declare that we were going to "go to the moon in this decade."  Times change, but the fact that conservatives didn't have friends in high school does not.

If we just change what definitions are because "times change," then what good is there to even having a Constitution?  I mean, why don't we just make it up as we go?  Seems to make as much sense.  Let's tear it up right now.

This is why congress has the ability to make amendments to the constitution. They do have the ability to "make it up as we go."

[sonofdaxjones]

The vast majority of the modern day liberal democrats fit the absolute definition of statists or in their case statism supporters.   

They'll also argue about how they're all for personal freedoms while happily supporting an administration that is hell bent in placing an already over regulated nation on regulatory steroids.

 

[Sugar Dick]

I'm sure Madison just happened to forget the "Congress shall require the purchase of health insurance from private companies" clause.

Amen, brother.   Same way Washington forgot to declare that we were going to "go to the moon in this decade."  Times change, but the fact that conservatives didn't have friends in high school does not.

If we just change what definitions are because "times change," then what good is there to even having a Constitution?  I mean, why don't we just make it up as we go?  Seems to make as much sense.  Let's tear it up right now.

This is why congress has the ability to make amendments to the constitution. They do have the ability to "make it up as we go."

Ging isn't a very bright guy/gal :smh:

[Dirty Sanchez]

I'm sure Madison just happened to forget the "Congress shall require the purchase of health insurance from private companies" clause.

Amen, brother.   Same way Washington forgot to declare that we were going to "go to the moon in this decade."  Times change, but the fact that conservatives didn't have friends in high school does not.

If we just change what definitions are because "times change," then what good is there to even having a Constitution?  I mean, why don't we just make it up as we go?  Seems to make as much sense.  Let's tear it up right now.

This is why congress has the ability to make amendments to the constitution. They do have the ability to "make it up as we go."

A government takeover of healthcare passed by specious legal maneuvering is in no way congruous to an amendment to the Constitution. Laws =/ amendments.   You need to go take that remedial civics class next door to the one beems it taking in American history.

[Sugar Dick]

I'm sure Madison just happened to forget the "Congress shall require the purchase of health insurance from private companies" clause.

Amen, brother.   Same way Washington forgot to declare that we were going to "go to the moon in this decade."  Times change, but the fact that conservatives didn't have friends in high school does not.

If we just change what definitions are because "times change," then what good is there to even having a Constitution?  I mean, why don't we just make it up as we go?  Seems to make as much sense.  Let's tear it up right now.

This is why congress has the ability to make amendments to the constitution. They do have the ability to "make it up as we go."

A government takeover of healthcare passed by specious legal maneuvering is in no way congruous to an amendment to the Constitution. Laws =/ amendments.   You need to go take that remedial civics class next door to the one beems it taking in American history.

I think that's what he was trying to say.  I believe you two are in agreement

Ging =/ Nuts  (pfft, when I read Ging for some reason I think of vagina  )

[bubbles4ksu]

I'm sure Madison just happened to forget the "Congress shall require the purchase of health insurance from private companies" clause.

Amen, brother.   Same way Washington forgot to declare that we were going to "go to the moon in this decade."  Times change, but the fact that conservatives didn't have friends in high school does not.

If we just change what definitions are because "times change," then what good is there to even having a Constitution?  I mean, why don't we just make it up as we go?  Seems to make as much sense.  Let's tear it up right now.

I was saying that Madison knew and cared as much about 21st century health insurance as Washington did about going to the moon.

[Dirty Sanchez]

The space program is at least in a defense interest (you're kidding yourself if you think it wasn't the primary motivator), an actual Constitutional mandate.  Nothing in the Constitution provides that the government shall require anyone to enter into a legal contract.

[michigancat]

The space program is at least in a defense interest (you're kidding yourself if you think it wasn't the primary motivator), an actual Constitutional mandate.  Nothing in the Constitution provides that the government shall require anyone to enter into a legal contract.

Agreed.  Praise be to Jesus that the constitution makes creating bombs and crap easy.  Amen.

[Sugar Dick]

The space program is at least in a defense interest (you're kidding yourself if you think it wasn't the primary motivator), an actual Constitutional mandate.  Nothing in the Constitution provides that the government shall require anyone to enter into a legal contract.

Agreed.  Praise be to Jesus that the constitution makes creating bombs and cac easy.  Amen.

What a f@g