Fire LHC Bill Snyder Master Thread

[michigancat]

Good coaches can have bad games, imo. This is one of those.

He had a terrible quarter or so. The 2 qb plan was fine, and I expected it. But it went south with the mistake before half, in which IMHO the wrong guy was in. Those types of mistakes trend to compound themselves in games like this, and a whiffed block and stupid gadget pay later and you arte looking at a blow out.  No doubt a half dozen very bad Snyder decisions was a major reason for this loss, but I don't fire him for them. If you want to I can understand though.

We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have the wrong personnel on the field at the wrong time. 

We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have whiffed blocks.

We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have stupid unsuccessful gadget plays. 

We hired Snyder so he could coach up our shitty recruits.


When he fails at everything we hired him to do, what should we do? 

don't be a tard

Educate me.  What does Snyder do well? 

[jtksu]

I dunno Rusty.  Maybe you could ask one of the gazillion people involved with college football (who actually get paid to cover the sport) that consider him to be one of the finest coaches ever?  Sorry, bro, but a guy that hasn't said a positive anything about anything KSU football related since 2003 isn't exactly an unbiased source on Snyder.  But I suppose all those people are wrong, have been wrong for over a decade, and you just uncovered one of the biggest conpsiracies in college football history?  Either that or you're just a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

[Harry Dunne]

I dunno Rusty.  Maybe you could ask one of the gazillion people involved with college football (who actually get paid to cover the sport) that consider him to be one of the finest coaches ever?  Sorry, bro, but a guy that hasn't said a positive anything about anything KSU football related since 2003 isn't exactly an unbiased source on Snyder.  But I suppose all those people are wrong, have been wrong for over a decade, and you just uncovered one of the biggest conpsiracies in college football history?  Either that or you're just a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

BOOOOOOOOOOM!

[_33]

As long as he beats KU our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fan base will continue to support Snyder.  Nevermind the fact that his winning % over the last 4 seasons he's coached at KSU is almost identical to Ron Prince.  And Prince actually had to play good Texas teams and good KU teams.  Bill gets the worst Texas team in over a decade and the Fighting Turner Gill's.  Not to mention the terrible recruiting.  I have no idea how anyone could give Snyder a pass at this point.

[sonofdaxjones]

You know what really blows . . . we could have won today.

[jtksu]

How is our recruitng terrible this year?  Sams, Tuggle, Bryce, Arthur, Kennard, Meshak, Pease...  Seems like we're adding some very nice talent.  Also- we've played much of this season w/o our top 2 WRs.  But that wouldn't make any difference on any other team in the country, would it?  8-4 with 70 scholarship players may well get Snyder another Big 12 COTY.  Exactly who are we going to hire that would have done a better job this year?  Tuberville was an awful popular choice to be our next HC.  He sucks balls. 

[PoetWarrior]

we could have won today.

Exactly why this is going on.

[CHONGS]

How is our recruitng terrible this year?  Sams, Tuggle, Bryce, Arthur, Kennard, Meshak, Pease...  Seems like we're adding some very nice talent.  Also- we've played much of this season w/o our top 2 WRs.  But that wouldn't make any difference on any other team in the country, would it?  8-4 with 70 scholarship players may well get Snyder another Big 12 COTY.  Exactly who are we going to hire that would have done a better job this year?  Tuberville was an awful popular choice to be our next HC.  He sucks balls. 

He beat Missouri

[kso_FAN]

The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win.  I think he's done that.  I think the offense and special teams are solid despite a lack of depth and injuries.  Defense is my biggest issue and I'm not a big fan of the scheme, but I can see some improvements there.  Plus there is a real lack of playmaking talent over there, but I think that will be better.  It was very disappointing that Snyder didn't land a qb last year, but I think that has been addressed.  I think his staff has some holes, but I don't think it's as terrible as many make it out to be; adding Leavitt would improve it quite a bit as well.  Snyder is doing pretty much as I expected so far so I'm not in some mode of thinking he should be fired. I'm sure this makes me some sort of tard or whatever.

[steve dave]

_FAN is like meltdown kryptonite

[PoetWarrior]

Can a genius lose their genius?


Perhaps they were never a genius?


Care?

[kso_FAN]

_FAN is like meltdown kryptonite

I just want Snyder to build a consistent 7-8 win football program again that once in a while competes for a league title.  I think he's doing that despite today's loss.  Now, if we go and lose the next two weeks, even next week, I'll temper that quite a bit.  But as of now we are actually better than I expected this year. 

[CHONGS]

I just want the next guy (not saying Bill needs to be run off today) to get a fair shot.  That's all.   And I think the groundwork for that has to be laid down now.  If we as a fanbase excuse every weakness as "well no one could have done better" then the next coach is doomed from the start.

[steve dave]

 If we as a fanbase excuse every weakness as "well no one could have done better" then the next coach is doomed from the start.

this is the theme for the day.

[wabash909]

The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win.  I think he's done that.  I think the offense and special teams are solid despite a lack of depth and injuries.  Defense is my biggest issue and I'm not a big fan of the scheme, but I can see some improvements there.  Plus there is a real lack of playmaking talent over there, but I think that will be better.  It was very disappointing that Snyder didn't land a qb last year, but I think that has been addressed.  I think his staff has some holes, but I don't think it's as terrible as many make it out to be; adding Leavitt would improve it quite a bit as well.  Snyder is doing pretty much as I expected so far so I'm not in some mode of thinking he should be fired. I'm sure this makes me some sort of tard or whatever.

Agree with this.  Considering my expectation this year with the level of talent in the program was 6-6, maybe 7-5 tops, with a bowl appearance, I'm not that dissatisfied in all actuality with where we are.  When we lose to Colorado next week and beat North Texas, we'll be right probably where this program should be in year two under Snyder.  It pisses me off that the expectations are that low, but they are what they are.

The dude is never going to lead us back to a Big XII Title in all likelihood.  But, as much as I hate to say it, he is providing some structural stability and the program is making some strides in the right direction, albeit small strides.  Recruiting has picked up slightly and the overall talent level through transfers is being elevated.  Yes, the Big XII is down, but as you stated, we are winning the games we should be winning and we're opportunistic when we need to be for the most part.  

Being mumped out of Patterson destroyed a tremendous opportunity for the program to be rebuilt properly, like Martin has in BBall, and to finally take the next step out of the Snyder shadow, but we can't cry over spilled milk.  Snyder is who we've got and we're all in at this point.  Yes, the expectations have been marginalized, but I'm willing to at least let this process for the next year to two years play out when he finally has a legitimate D-1 QB on the roster.  

Cosh is a rough ridin' clown show, though.  Gotta get Leavitt back in Manhattan.

[Saulbadguy]

Turn out the lights, Bill.

[michigancat]

The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win.  I think he's done that.

With all due respect, this is a horseshit basis for evaluation.  You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win.  (@ISU)

The only difference is the shittyness of KU during their tenures.

[jtksu]

Rusty, with all due respect, your FBIQ is roughly the same as an actual pile of horseshit. 

[jmlynch1]

This thread makes me sad.

[wabash909]

Get used to it, 7-5, 8-4, with a mid-level bowl game is our ceiling with OB.  Fitz, mumped out of anything more.

[OK_Cat]

LHC Bill Snyder has done nothing in this current regime that RP didn't do, good or bad.  RP got fired.

[PoetWarrior]

The day before the bowl game will be a blast.

[PowercatPat]

This thread is so dumb.

[slimz]

LHC Bill Snyder has done nothing in this current regime that RP didn't do, good or bad.  RP got fired.

He beat KU.  That's enough for a lot of people.

Beating KU is plenty of progress, even though they have their worst team in 8 years.

Beating ISU is plenty of progress, even though they're not going bowling.

Beating Texas is plenty of progress, even though they have their worst team in 13 years.

Beating Colorado (assuming we do) is plenty of progress, even though their coach has been fired because they're so crappy.

Hey, we can beat really sucky teams.  So at least we're not as sucky as they are.

Never mind we looked like complete crap against a decent (not great) Mizzou team, a decent (not great) Nebraska team, and a decent (not great) Baylor team.

We've had a punter on the field for every single punt, and that's progress.

[ELL3]

This is the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thread ever