Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats

[sonofdaxjones]

K-State's defense made it easy even before the ball was snapped, we left so many holes just by the way we lined up it was absurd.

Honestly I'll play the    for a second, that was the worst defensive scheme I've seen at K-State since before Snyder . . . when you could sit up in the stands and see just by the way our defense was aligned where the other team was going to go.   In almost every instance under Snyder where we have been clowned it was because the other team was simply better and had better athletes . . . not because we gave them natural running lanes just by the way we lined up that was exploited by better athletes.   I hate this defense . . . and it's only amplified by our crapty linebackers.

Do what _FAN did and go through the scoring plays and tell us where the defensive alignment was wrong.  Tell us where the holes were...

The one the really sticks out to me was when they had Trips out to the Left and ran Helu back to the right in a little read play out of the gun.   All they had to do was look out there and see that we had basically no one at the 2nd level on their right, our left.   They block one little DE and they're off to the races.   Completely clowned by formation in that case.     I was watching on TV and said before they even snapped the ball that if Martinez just looks out to his right they'll run that way because all that was out there from the hash to the sideline was FieldTurf.

[kso_FAN]

The one the really sticks out to me was when they had Trips out to the Left and ran Helu back to the right in a little read play out of the gun.   All they had to do was look out there and see that we had basically no one at the 2nd level on their right, our left.   They block one little DE and they're off to the races.   Completely clowned by formation in that case.     I was watching on TV and said before they even snapped the ball that if Martinez just looks out to his right they'll run that way because all that was out there from the hash to the sideline was FieldTurf.

We actually were still gap sound in that look, even thought the LBs could've possibly bumped over another half gap away from the trips.  In _FANalysis I pointed out the scheme NU used there, but I didn't point out the formation, and yes, it did create space to the right side of the formation.  NU used an unbalanced and overloaded set, not only did they have trips left, but they also lined up their TE to the left, covering him up with one of the WRs.  That left only OG and OT to the backside of the play.  We adjusted to it adequately, with a DE to the C gap, LB for the B gap, NG for the A gap away from the trips side with a safety over the top. Even when NU's double team whipped the NG and their OT did a great job widening the DE, we should've had Slaughter scraping to the RB cutback and Hartman over the top.  The problem was BOTH Slaughter and Hartman filled the A gap the the trips side and by the time they rerouted on Helu's cutback, it was too late.  But this was not become of some terrible alignment, it was poor execution on run fits, which was our problem the entire evening.

[Dugout DickStone]

I hate Hartuan.

[sonofdaxjones]

The one the really sticks out to me was when they had Trips out to the Left and ran Helu back to the right in a little read play out of the gun.   All they had to do was look out there and see that we had basically no one at the 2nd level on their right, our left.   They block one little DE and they're off to the races.   Completely clowned by formation in that case.     I was watching on TV and said before they even snapped the ball that if Martinez just looks out to his right they'll run that way because all that was out there from the hash to the sideline was FieldTurf.

We actually were still gap sound in that look, even thought the LBs could've possibly bumped over another half gap away from the trips.  In _FANalysis I pointed out the scheme NU used there, but I didn't point out the formation, and yes, it did create space to the right side of the formation.  NU used an unbalanced and overloaded set, not only did they have trips left, but they also lined up their TE to the left, covering him up with one of the WRs.  That left only OG and OT to the backside of the play.  We adjusted to it adequately, with a DE to the C gap, LB for the B gap, NG for the A gap away from the trips side with a safety over the top. Even when NU's double team whipped the NG and their OT did a great job widening the DE, we should've had Slaughter scraping to the RB cutback and Hartman over the top.  The problem was BOTH Slaughter and Hartman filled the A gap the the trips side and by the time they rerouted on Helu's cutback, it was too late.  But this was not become of some terrible alignment, it was poor execution on run fits, which was our problem the entire evening.

That's fine . . . you can use all the coach speak x's and o's you want to all day.  You could see the running lanes before the ball was even snapped.   Relying on our LB's and for our DB's to scrape all night is a disaster.   When the defense actually went Tibesar and simply got up field they did much better, and had they broken down and kept the play in front them in the backfield several times they would have likely stopped them for significant losses on plays that turned into big plays.   In addition had their been a complete QB first mindset the game would have been a lot closer.    After watching the Cornhole-Udub game a blind man could have seen that.

[kso_FAN]

Relying on our LB's and for our DB's to scrape all night is a disaster.   When the defense actually went Tibesar and simply got up field they did much better, and had they broken down and kept the play in front them in the backfield several times they would have likely stopped them for significant losses on plays that turned into big plays.   In addition had their been a complete QB first mindset the game would have been a lot closer.    After watching the Cornhole-Udub game a blind man could have seen that.

I don't disagree with any of that. 

What the heck is wrong with x's and o's speak?  I was just saying it wasn't a completely unsound alignment; I agree we don't have the horses to necessarily execute it, but that is a completely different topic.  Besides, if we'd overadjusted to that formation (or any other), it just opens up something else.  That's always the case when you have average (or worse) players at multiple positions.

[T42YS]

Everyone that posted in this thread prior to me is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  The mind numbing levels of LFBIQ on this is astounding.  It's almost like you people have never actually watched a game of football before. 

There's always gopowertard.com.  You'd be right at home over there.

This post is worth bumping.

[HawaiiCat]

Our defense does not have to be good to knock off KU. They are a cluster #$&( on offense. KSU's offense is key. Put in Lemur at QB. Run side to side all day. KU will not be able to keep up. We don't have to move between the tackles.

[Andy]

We're probably better than KU, and we should win, but we're going to lose.   

 

felt this way against ucla, isu, and ucf.

[catzacker]

Yes, there were plenty of things to see.  But KU is worse at every position on the field when compared to NU.  If they try to run Webb on a ton zone read, we will abuse them.  Really.  Make him keep it and take away Sims.  Plus, KU's offensive line will not be able to handle us like NU's did.  I really think we'll see a much improved defense this week, I'm more worried about the offense honestly.

i know you know this, but webb doesn't have to be martinez and ku's offense doesn't have to be nu's offense for ku to win.  all webb has to do is not turn it over and tuck it and run for first downs on 3rd and 6.  And it's not that difficult to throw in a few unbalanced looks in one week.  Also, if Gill was paying attention he'll wear Biere out all game on our safeties/LB's

[kso_FAN]

Yes, there were plenty of things to see.  But KU is worse at every position on the field when compared to NU.  If they try to run Webb on a ton zone read, we will abuse them.  Really.  Make him keep it and take away Sims.  Plus, KU's offensive line will not be able to handle us like NU's did.  I really think we'll see a much improved defense this week, I'm more worried about the offense honestly.

i know you know this, but webb doesn't have to be martinez and ku's offense doesn't have to be nu's offense for ku to win.  all webb has to do is not turn it over and tuck it and run for first downs on 3rd and 6.  And it's not that difficult to throw in a few unbalanced looks in one week.  Also, if Gill was paying attention he'll wear Biere out all game on our safeties/LB's

No doubt, I don't disagree with any of that.  I guess I'm just crazy/stupid enough to believe a) we are a better football team than KU despite our issues and b) we should be able to handle the worst team in the league, even on the road.  This doesn't mean I think we will win comfortably, but I think we should win.  We've already beat 3 teams better than the one we'll see Thursday night.  I'm also of the belief that knowing your opponent doesn't have a threat like Martinez or Helu means you will play with more confidence, and playing with confidence usually leads to making more plays.  Of course, if we let KU drive down for a couple early scores, all that goes out the window.

[catzacker]

Yes, there were plenty of things to see.  But KU is worse at every position on the field when compared to NU.  If they try to run Webb on a ton zone read, we will abuse them.  Really.  Make him keep it and take away Sims.  Plus, KU's offensive line will not be able to handle us like NU's did.  I really think we'll see a much improved defense this week, I'm more worried about the offense honestly.

i know you know this, but webb doesn't have to be martinez and ku's offense doesn't have to be nu's offense for ku to win.  all webb has to do is not turn it over and tuck it and run for first downs on 3rd and 6.  And it's not that difficult to throw in a few unbalanced looks in one week.  Also, if Gill was paying attention he'll wear Biere out all game on our safeties/LB's

No doubt, I don't disagree with any of that.  I guess I'm just crazy/stupid enough to believe a) we are a better football team than KU despite our issues and b) we should be able to handle the worst team in the league, even on the road.  This doesn't mean I think we will win comfortably, but I think we should win.  We've already beat 3 teams better than the one we'll see Thursday night.  I'm also of the belief that knowing your opponent doesn't have a threat like Martinez or Helu means you will play with more confidence, and playing with confidence usually leads to making more plays.  Of course, if we let KU drive down for a couple early scores, all that goes out the window.

i agree with this, but not sure how much better we are.  probably enough to say we should win this game, but not enough to be surprised at all if we get beat.  This is the same for the CU game.  

[sonofdaxjones]

Relying on our LB's and for our DB's to scrape all night is a disaster.   When the defense actually went Tibesar and simply got up field they did much better, and had they broken down and kept the play in front them in the backfield several times they would have likely stopped them for significant losses on plays that turned into big plays.   In addition had their been a complete QB first mindset the game would have been a lot closer.    After watching the Cornhole-Udub game a blind man could have seen that.

I don't disagree with any of that. 

What the heck is wrong with x's and o's speak?  I was just saying it wasn't a completely unsound alignment; I agree we don't have the horses to necessarily execute it, but that is a completely different topic.  Besides, if we'd overadjusted to that formation (or any other), it just opens up something else.  That's always the case when you have average (or worse) players at multiple positions.

Sorry for the X's and O's comment . . . I suppose I am from the school that the game against Cornhole was a game where the old Stoops press defense should have been dusted off . . . we wouldn't have won the game, but it likely wouldn't have been such a joke either.    The game plan should have been to force Martinez to hand, pitch or pass the ball to somebody else every time . . . always make the run first athletic freshman QB put the ball in the air in some form or fashion and take your chances.     

[kso_FAN]

Sorry for the X's and O's comment . . . I suppose I am from the school that the game against Cornhole was a game where the old Stoops press defense should have been dusted off . . . we wouldn't have won the game, but it likely wouldn't have been such a joke either.    The game plan should have been to force Martinez to hand, pitch or pass the ball to somebody else every time . . . always make the run first athletic freshman QB put the ball in the air in some form or fashion and take your chances.     

Yeah, I agree.  I think at some point we should've forced the ball to Helu or NU's WRs over letting Martinez gash us with the QB run game.  Even so, they still managed to do that a couple times anyway.

[Sugar Dick]

Disclaimer:  didn't read any of the above

Thought the DE's did a good job of forcing TMart inside.  Thought whoever was responsible for filling that gap was an enormous failure (don't know enough about football to know who was supposed to do that, assuming safety or lb).

Luckily KU f*cking blows, doesn't run that offense, and sucks at everything so D shouldn't be as much of a problem.  More worried about the offense getting past the ku 30 so we can either kick a FG or MAYBE score a TD.  Judging by the way Baylor's pathetic running back gobbled up yards, we should be able to do what we did against ISU against uk.

[ednksu]

The one thing I'm very happy with his DT's ball security.  He's usually very good.  I hope we use him and Powell to keep them both fresh and keep the ball away from KU.

[PurpleSleezyE]

This is one very very sexy thread on breaking down the defense!!!  I hate being so stupid, but reading this stuff will give me things to tell my friends while watching the KU game.  Hopefully I will sound smarter than my usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self. 

[CHONGS]

This is one very very sexy thread on breaking down the defense!!!  I hate being so stupid, but reading this stuff will give me things to tell my friends while watching the KU game.  Hopefully I will sound smarter than my usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self. 

Dude, that's what goEMAW is all about:

It will make you sound smarter than your usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self.

[PurpleSleezyE]

This is one very very sexy thread on breaking down the defense!!!  I hate being so stupid, but reading this stuff will give me things to tell my friends while watching the KU game.  Hopefully I will sound smarter than my usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self. 

Dude, that's what goEMAW is all about:

It will make you sound smarter than your usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self.

goEMAW...Making dumbassess like me sound less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) 1 day at a time!

[Pett]

JFC, this guy is an even bigger Prince clone than we originally thought...

[Dugout DickStone]

JFC, this guy is an even bigger Prince clone than we originally thought...

Which wife of an assistant coach is going to get it?

[The Whale]

This is one very very sexy thread on breaking down the defense!!!  I hate being so stupid, but reading this stuff will give me things to tell my friends while watching the KU game.  Hopefully I will sound smarter than my usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self. 

Dude, that's what goEMAW is all about:

It will make you sound smarter than your usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self.

Sounds like a good quote for The Word

[AppleJack]

 

[slimz]

Turner Gill

'We saw some things'

Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.

"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."

oh man  

Yep. He pretty much left it at that.

[Andy]

Turner Gill

'We saw some things'

Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.

"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."

oh man  

Yep. He pretty much left it at that.

 

[kso_FAN]

I like going back and reading the "KU will kill us on the zone read" comments in this thread.  They tried to run several times and it failed.  And I'll have to go back and look, but KU really didn't try to mess us up with formations like I thought they might.  KU is a bad team, but its still encouraging to see us do a much better job with run fits and a great job in coverage.

The wildcard in this game that I did not anticipate was Coffman going off and having a career game, which allowed for it to be a much bigger blowout, but I was pretty confident in a comfortable win after rewatching the NU game and some of the BU-KU highlights.