QB (Sammuel Lamur related)

[doom]

If we are going to disrupt the current flow of the offense 6 weeks in like this is there any reason why we wouldn't use both Klien and Lamur to give different looks.  VTech and LSU used to do it, granted both Qb's were much better than ours, but the idea is the same.

[slimz]

I thought I saw a noticeable burst of energy from the rest of the offense when the other QBs came in. I think the whole 15-play drive in 3-5 yard chunks without scoring any points may be wearing on the rest of the offense with Coffman behind center.

[Lamesauce]

Keep in mind that Lamur was going against Nebraska's 2nd/3rd string defense. I doubt he would have been any more successful against their first string than Coffman was. Don't mistake me for a Coffman apologist, I think he's terrible. I'm just not convinced we have anybody better.

[kitten_mittons]

Keep in mind that Lamur was going against Nebraska's 2nd/3rd string defense. I doubt he would have been any more successful against their first string than Coffman was. Don't mistake me for a Coffman apologist, I think he's terrible. I'm just not convinced we have anybody better.

I don't think it's possible for Lamur to be any worse.  So having a QB that is as bad at throwing, but is faster would make sense.

[ArchE_Cat]

QB's are taught basically three basic throws: trajectory 1 - on a rope; trajectory 2 - small arc with good speed; trajectory 3 - high arc soft touch. Slamur seems to be the only one who actually has the mechanics to make all three throws. Problem is I don't think he has the arm strength to throw across the field, out routes from the opposite hash w/ a trajectory 1 or 2. He is obviously the more gifted runner of the three. Kline is sunshine from Remember the Titans, can run ok, can't make a pitch, and has great arm strength but may not have enough touch. Coffman has horrible mechanics and just needs to be out of the mix. He plays scared and looks like a statue when blitzed. None of them are terribly accurate throwers.

I think Slamur is the guy. I think he could improve the QB run game, have some type of vertical passing game and make the throws needed to run screens. Snyder needs to get back to his offense and stop this super run heavy stuff.

I want to see vertical passing, screen passing game, TE passing (threat has to be there when LB's are craming the box), QB running game (zone read and draws from shotgun), option (shotgun and I-form.), Daniel Thomas running from shotgun and I-form.

[The Whale]

I thought I saw a noticeable burst of energy from the rest of the offense when the other QBs came in. I think the whole 15-play drive in 3-5 yard chunks without scoring any points may be wearing on the rest of the offense with Coffman behind center.

We run "Bend but don't Break" on both sides of the ball.   

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

If there is anything we learned from last night... It's that a QB running game is worthless. Seriously, did Martinez even break a run for more than 5 yards?

[Do Work Son]

Hey OB, start SLamur against KU or GTFO!!

[catzacker]

If Queso Cheese has actually really checked at the line this (and not just faking it) . . . has there been anything that he's checked into that was really that fantastic??  

Carson correctly checked into an option to the short side when he recognized that they were coming on a corner blitz....then proceded to f'ing pitch the ball (a) late and (b) a tad behind Thomas, allowing the safety enough time to come over and make the tackle...I think it was on a 3rd down and 3 when the game was around 14-3 or something like that. 

the short of it is that I don't want to lose with Carson.  I'd rather lose with Klein or Slamur.  I just can't stand the look on Carson's face.  His face just makes me want to punch him in the face.

[kougar24]

If Queso Cheese has actually really checked at the line this (and not just faking it) . . . has there been anything that he's checked into that was really that fantastic?? 

Carson correctly checked into an option to the short side when he recognized that they were coming on a corner blitz....then proceded to f'ing pitch the ball (a) late and (b) a tad behind Thomas, allowing the safety enough time to come over and make the tackle...I think it was on a 3rd down and 3 when the game was around 14-3 or something like that. 

the short of it is that I don't want to lose with Carson.  I'd rather lose with Klein or Slamur.  I just can't stand the look on Carson's face.  His face just makes me want to punch him in the face.

Quality post, this.

[jtksu]

I hate to break it to you guys but if you think Coffman is bad, what do you think the 3rd stringer behind him looks like?  SLamur didn't even start at either of the jucos he attended.  Might as well get used to the idea that we're gonna win about 3 of the next 7 games and get our heads caved in in some crappy bowl this year.  We'll have some good options at QB next year, but we ain't got crap for QB options this year.

[Saulbadguy]

I hate to break it to you guys but if you think Coffman is bad, what do you think the 3rd stringer behind him looks like?  SLamur didn't even start at either of the jucos he attended.  Might as well get used to the idea that we're gonna win about 3 of the next 7 games and get our heads caved in in some crappy bowl this year.  We'll have some good options at QB next year, but we ain't got crap for QB options this year.

Yes, because Bill is known for knowing which rough ridin' QB to start at the beginning of a season. 

[jtksu]

Are you referring to the one season when Bill was juggling between the #1 juco QB in the country and a sophomore ell roberson who couldn't hit the side of a barn? 

[EllToPay]

No one is saying that Lamur is definitively better you rough ridin' dipshit. The dude can run, and that's better than anything Carson Coffman can do.

Give the guy a shot is all we're asking.

[ArchE_Cat]

Are you referring to the one season when Bill was juggling between the #1 juco QB in the country and a sophomore ell roberson who couldn't hit the side of a barn? 

[felix rex]

I bet Lamur's confidence was super high from running the zone read for our scout team all week.

[The1BigWillie]

Are you referring to the one season when Bill was juggling between the #1 juco QB in the country and a sophomore ell roberson who couldn't hit the side of a barn? 

There were two of those seasons.  01 and 02.  Ell didn't start until after the USC game in '02. 

[kougar24]

No one is saying that Lamur is definitively better you foooocking dipcrap. The dude can run, and that's better than anything Carson Coffman can do.

Give the guy a shot is all we're asking.

This. Also: it is physically impossible to be worse than Coffman, so at worst we're a wash with Lamur. What about that don't you get? So at worst we're exactly where we are, but with an athletic-looking (black) guy instead of the guy on the cover of M.A.D. Magazine.

[ArchE_Cat]

No one is saying that Lamur is definitively better you foooocking dipcrap. The dude can run, and that's better than anything Carson Coffman can do.

Give the guy a shot is all we're asking.

This. Also: it is physically impossible to be worse than Coffman, so at worst we're a wash with Lamur. What about that don't you get? So at worst we're exactly where we are, but with an athletic-looking (black) guy instead of the guy on the cover of M.A.D. Magazine.

Right on. We are better running a more Snyder-like offense w/ a more Snyder-like QB and struggling to squeak out 2 to 3 more wins than we are suffering through a lame duck senior QB who can't handle contributing to the strength of this teams offensive personnel (running the ball).

[HazKat]

QB's are taught basically three basic throws: trajectory 1 - on a rope; trajectory 2 - small arc with good speed; trajectory 3 - high arc soft touch. Slamur seems to be the only one who actually has the mechanics to make all three throws. Problem is I don't think he has the arm strength to throw across the field, out routes from the opposite hash w/ a trajectory 1 or 2. He is obviously the more gifted runner of the three. Kline is sunshine from Remember the Titans, can run ok, can't make a pitch, and has great arm strength but may not have enough touch. Coffman has horrible mechanics and just needs to be out of the mix. He plays scared and looks like a statue when blitzed. None of them are terribly accurate throwers.

I think Slamur is the guy. I think he could improve the QB run game, have some type of vertical passing game and make the throws needed to run screens. Snyder needs to get back to his offense and stop this super run heavy stuff.

I want to see vertical passing, screen passing game, TE passing (threat has to be there when LB's are craming the box), QB running game (zone read and draws from shotgun), option (shotgun and I-form.), Daniel Thomas running from shotgun and I-form.

Slamur has got to throw more interceptions than completions in practice or you know he'd be out there and not behind Klein on the depth chart

[Acceleration Man]

FWIW:


http://cjonline.com/sports/football/2010-10-08/cats_qb_job_up_for_grabs

MANHATTAN — Tensions remain in the Middle East, and Kansas State has questions at quarterback.

So, what else is new?

The remarkable thing, perhaps, is that it took this long. Carson Coffman was relatively unchallenged as K-State's starter through the first month of the season, but that changed following Thursday's 48-13 drubbing against Nebraska.

Coach LHC Bill Snyder said the competition between Coffman and backup Collin Klein "probably opens itself up a little more" after K-State's offense sputtered against the Cornhuskers.

Coffman, who completed 14 of 22 passes for 91 yards, wasn't visibly surprised by the news.

"I'm just going to come to practice like I do every week and work hard," he said. "If that's the case, then so be it."

Klein replaced Coffman for one series in the third quarter with the Wildcats trailing 31-3. It was Klein's first significant action aside from a series against UCLA when Coffman was injured and some late-game mop-up snaps.

Coffman started the next series, threw a 1-yard completion and immediately was replaced by Klein. Coffman returned to lead K-State's only touchdown drive before giving way to Sammuel Lamur.

That leaves the quarterback situation as muddled as ever, though Klein doesn't expect big changes in practice.

"It's a competition every day, no matter if it's open or it's closed," said Klein, a sophomore. "It's just the nature of the position.

"When things are going well, the quarterback looks pretty good. When things aren't going well, the quarterback sometimes doesn't look that good."

Coffman's performance wasn't especially atypical. Most of his completions came on check-downs and short passes, with his longest gain going for 17 yards. He threw a 2-yard touchdown pass to Chris Harper and an interception on a Hail Mary at the end of the first half.

"I threw some low balls, missed some protection calls," said Coffman, a fifth-year senior. "I'm going to have to watch the film and see everything."

Klein finished 2-for-2 passing for 16 yards and ran six times for 33 yards.

"I think I did pretty well," he said. "I was able to make a couple throws out there, but it's just a matter of getting better."

The obvious rationale behind a quarterback change would be to add mobility under center. Coffman, the most stationary of K-State's quarterbacks, finished with 45 rushing yards Thursday but was stopped on a key fourth down early in the game.

"Collin's a big guy, and he can run a little bit better than Carson," Harper said. "That's really the difference the them. Other than that, Carson has the leadership. He's a captain and things like that."

Klein said the opportunity to win the starting job won't change his mindset.

"To be perfectly honest, if I were to kick it up a gear, it means I wasn't in gear to start with," he said. "I would really need to check my motives on that. I try my very best to practice as hard as I possibly can. I don't think that's going to change."

[ArchE_Cat]

QB's are taught basically three basic throws: trajectory 1 - on a rope; trajectory 2 - small arc with good speed; trajectory 3 - high arc soft touch. Slamur seems to be the only one who actually has the mechanics to make all three throws. Problem is I don't think he has the arm strength to throw across the field, out routes from the opposite hash w/ a trajectory 1 or 2. He is obviously the more gifted runner of the three. Kline is sunshine from Remember the Titans, can run ok, can't make a pitch, and has great arm strength but may not have enough touch. Coffman has horrible mechanics and just needs to be out of the mix. He plays scared and looks like a statue when blitzed. None of them are terribly accurate throwers.

I think Slamur is the guy. I think he could improve the QB run game, have some type of vertical passing game and make the throws needed to run screens. Snyder needs to get back to his offense and stop this super run heavy stuff.

I want to see vertical passing, screen passing game, TE passing (threat has to be there when LB's are craming the box), QB running game (zone read and draws from shotgun), option (shotgun and I-form.), Daniel Thomas running from shotgun and I-form.

Slamur has got to throw more interceptions than completions in practice or you know he'd be out there and not behind Klein on the depth chart

Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dumb are also not running the offense I described, They are running some crapfest to fit Coffman

[doom]

FWIW:


http://cjonline.com/sports/football/2010-10-08/cats_qb_job_up_for_grabs

MANHATTAN — Tensions remain in the Middle East, and Kansas State has questions at quarterback.

So, what else is new?

The remarkable thing, perhaps, is that it took this long. Carson Coffman was relatively unchallenged as K-State's starter through the first month of the season, but that changed following Thursday's 48-13 drubbing against Nebraska.

Coach LHC Bill Snyder said the competition between Coffman and backup Collin Klein "probably opens itself up a little more" after K-State's offense sputtered against the Cornhuskers.

Coffman, who completed 14 of 22 passes for 91 yards, wasn't visibly surprised by the news.

"I'm just going to come to practice like I do every week and work hard," he said. "If that's the case, then so be it."

Klein replaced Coffman for one series in the third quarter with the Wildcats trailing 31-3. It was Klein's first significant action aside from a series against UCLA when Coffman was injured and some late-game mop-up snaps.

Coffman started the next series, threw a 1-yard completion and immediately was replaced by Klein. Coffman returned to lead K-State's only touchdown drive before giving way to Sammuel Lamur.

That leaves the quarterback situation as muddled as ever, though Klein doesn't expect big changes in practice.

"It's a competition every day, no matter if it's open or it's closed," said Klein, a sophomore. "It's just the nature of the position.

"When things are going well, the quarterback looks pretty good. When things aren't going well, the quarterback sometimes doesn't look that good."

Coffman's performance wasn't especially atypical. Most of his completions came on check-downs and short passes, with his longest gain going for 17 yards. He threw a 2-yard touchdown pass to Chris Harper and an interception on a Hail Mary at the end of the first half.

"I threw some low balls, missed some protection calls," said Coffman, a fifth-year senior. "I'm going to have to watch the film and see everything."

Klein finished 2-for-2 passing for 16 yards and ran six times for 33 yards.

"I think I did pretty well," he said. "I was able to make a couple throws out there, but it's just a matter of getting better."

The obvious rationale behind a quarterback change would be to add mobility under center. Coffman, the most stationary of K-State's quarterbacks, finished with 45 rushing yards Thursday but was stopped on a key fourth down early in the game.

"Collin's a big guy, and he can run a little bit better than Carson," Harper said. "That's really the difference the them. Other than that, Carson has the leadership. He's a captain and things like that."

Klein said the opportunity to win the starting job won't change his mindset.

"To be perfectly honest, if I were to kick it up a gear, it means I wasn't in gear to start with," he said. "I would really need to check my motives on that. I try my very best to practice as hard as I possibly can. I don't think that's going to change."

Not that they didn't interview slammur.

[Saulbadguy]

FWIW:


http://cjonline.com/sports/football/2010-10-08/cats_qb_job_up_for_grabs

MANHATTAN — Tensions remain in the Middle East, and Kansas State has questions at quarterback.

So, what else is new?

The remarkable thing, perhaps, is that it took this long. Carson Coffman was relatively unchallenged as K-State's starter through the first month of the season, but that changed following Thursday's 48-13 drubbing against Nebraska.

Coach LHC Bill Snyder said the competition between Coffman and backup Collin Klein "probably opens itself up a little more" after K-State's offense sputtered against the Cornhuskers.

Coffman, who completed 14 of 22 passes for 91 yards, wasn't visibly surprised by the news.

"I'm just going to come to practice like I do every week and work hard," he said. "If that's the case, then so be it."

Klein replaced Coffman for one series in the third quarter with the Wildcats trailing 31-3. It was Klein's first significant action aside from a series against UCLA when Coffman was injured and some late-game mop-up snaps.

Coffman started the next series, threw a 1-yard completion and immediately was replaced by Klein. Coffman returned to lead K-State's only touchdown drive before giving way to Sammuel Lamur.

That leaves the quarterback situation as muddled as ever, though Klein doesn't expect big changes in practice.

"It's a competition every day, no matter if it's open or it's closed," said Klein, a sophomore. "It's just the nature of the position.

"When things are going well, the quarterback looks pretty good. When things aren't going well, the quarterback sometimes doesn't look that good."

Coffman's performance wasn't especially atypical. Most of his completions came on check-downs and short passes, with his longest gain going for 17 yards. He threw a 2-yard touchdown pass to Chris Harper and an interception on a Hail Mary at the end of the first half.

"I threw some low balls, missed some protection calls," said Coffman, a fifth-year senior. "I'm going to have to watch the film and see everything."

Klein finished 2-for-2 passing for 16 yards and ran six times for 33 yards.

"I think I did pretty well," he said. "I was able to make a couple throws out there, but it's just a matter of getting better."

The obvious rationale behind a quarterback change would be to add mobility under center. Coffman, the most stationary of K-State's quarterbacks, finished with 45 rushing yards Thursday but was stopped on a key fourth down early in the game.

"Collin's a big guy, and he can run a little bit better than Carson," Harper said. "That's really the difference the them. Other than that, Carson has the leadership. He's a captain and things like that."

Klein said the opportunity to win the starting job won't change his mindset.

"To be perfectly honest, if I were to kick it up a gear, it means I wasn't in gear to start with," he said. "I would really need to check my motives on that. I try my very best to practice as hard as I possibly can. I don't think that's going to change."

Not that they didn't interview slammur.

DENIED MEDIA ACCESS?!!?

[hemmy]

Why didn't we get Bishop to suit up in SLamur's jersey?  I mean both are black, it would have worked!