We'll be fine without Koenning.

[LickNeckey]

not reading is like so powerespect

[michigancat]

lick's post was actually pretty decent.  He needs to turn off the swear filter, though.

[CHONGS]

lick's post was actually pretty decent.  He needs to turn off the swear filter, though.

:DNR:

[Katpappy]

JT is such a powerespect like OMG

he just doesn't get it so since i'm a young hipster EMAWin former sec17er i'll lay it out for him

LHC Bill Snyder (OB's, Snyds, and various other euphemisms) has no ability to manage a qb situation and clearly plays CCQ (that means Carson Coffman for you powertards, clever huh) because he is a racist (so what if he has recruited two african american qb's this year) and has no understanding of what it takes to win a football game.

Vic Koening is like a god and was destined to be the savior of all things K-STATEO (god it is so cool to be condescending) until he betrayed us and left for a roster with actual DI football players.   Sure he was only our co-coordinator but he clearly like did all the good stuff and like Cosh clearly was responsible for all the bad junk, duh.  Sure TT scored 63 points but that was like way early and all the players fault and stuff.  I mean sure both games were played in week 6 and Nebraska scored less points and is in the top 10 but what happened yesterday was all like scheme and formation (i'm not sure what this means but Dax said it so it's true). 

Chris Cosh is like totally sucky sure he has worked for some great programs and coaches but like i'm pretty sure that fat guy from Maryland said something bad about him onetime, so he sucks.  Furthermore unlike Vik (as CNS so astutely pointed out) Cosh doesn't have to play with crapty (is this proper hipster spelling i get confused and really really want to fit in) RP players, you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) (sorry Mrs. Palin).  Cosh's D is loaded with like great players and stuff but is hamstrung by all the schemey formation stuff.  Sure were 4-1 but our defense like has nothing to with it and stuff.

Dana Dimel is like totally crapty too and stuff.  Like he is such a powerespect and not good at coaching and things.  I mean so what if he had a better record at Wyoming than Vik, big deal that doesn't mean anything.  I mean Dana never once did anything near as sweet as Vik, hell Dana doesn't even have the balls to make up false promises of commitment from imaginary unnamed players (cause like that is what great coaches do silly powerespect).

Del Miller is like old and junk and so he must be bad and stuff.

In conclusion maybe JT you just need to pull your head out and realize that our coaching staff is like really bad at their jobs (i mean like duh they are totally getting pwned on the bbs's by a bunch of accoutants, middle management, and twentysomethings).  I mean sure while we are 4-1 and are still in position to make a bowl game with a roster full of RP's crapty players that's like not the point man.

crap piss ass foooock *

(* fixed for Michigan Cat's approval )

OMG...are u calling out the great and almighty MC, OK Cat & Kouger or whatever?

this could get interesting.

[Dr Rick Daris]

JT is such a powerespect like OMG

he just doesn't get it so since i'm a young hipster EMAWin former sec17er i'll lay it out for him

LHC Bill Snyder (OB's, Snyds, and various other euphemisms) has no ability to manage a qb situation and clearly plays CCQ (that means Carson Coffman for you powertards, clever huh) because he is a racist (so what if he has recruited two african american qb's this year) and has no understanding of what it takes to win a football game.

Vic Koening is like a god and was destined to be the savior of all things K-STATEO (god it is so cool to be condescending) until he betrayed us and left for a roster with actual DI football players.   Sure he was only our co-coordinator but he clearly like did all the good stuff and like Cosh clearly was responsible for all the bad junk, duh.  Sure TT scored 63 points but that was like way early and all the players fault and stuff.  I mean sure both games were played in week 6 and Nebraska scored less points and is in the top 10 but what happened yesterday was all like scheme and formation (i'm not sure what this means but Dax said it so it's true). 

Chris Cosh is like totally sucky sure he has worked for some great programs and coaches but like i'm pretty sure that fat guy from Maryland said something bad about him onetime, so he sucks.  Furthermore unlike Vik (as CNS so astutely pointed out) Cosh doesn't have to play with crapty (is this proper hipster spelling i get confused and really really want to fit in) RP players, you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) (sorry Mrs. Palin).  Cosh's D is loaded with like great players and stuff but is hamstrung by all the schemey formation stuff.  Sure were 4-1 but our defense like has nothing to with it and stuff.

Dana Dimel is like totally crapty too and stuff.  Like he is such a powerespect and not good at coaching and things.  I mean so what if he had a better record at Wyoming than Vik, big deal that doesn't mean anything.  I mean Dana never once did anything near as sweet as Vik, hell Dana doesn't even have the balls to make up false promises of commitment from imaginary unnamed players (cause like that is what great coaches do silly powerespect).

Del Miller is like old and junk and so he must be bad and stuff.

In conclusion maybe JT you just need to pull your head out and realize that our coaching staff is like really bad at their jobs (i mean like duh they are totally getting pwned on the bbs's by a bunch of accoutants, middle management, and twentysomethings).  I mean sure while we are 4-1 and are still in position to make a bowl game with a roster full of RP's crapty players that's like not the point man.

crap piss ass foooock *

(* fixed for Michigan Cat's approval )

OMG...are u calling out the great and almighty MC, OK Cat & Kouger or whatever?

this could get interesting.

making up jobs for people who bbs is my favorite "go to" for people who don't have an actual opinion on things. very lol. it was decent until that. 

[chum1]

Who wants to stick up for anyone on the team at this point or for jt ever?  Both are just indefensible.

[LickNeckey]

Yeah i'm with chum supporting or sticking up for a team that can't pull off a MAJOR upset is like so  :powerespect:

 

[CHONGS]

Yeah i'm with chum supporting or sticking up for a team that can't pull off a MAJOR upset is like so  :powerespect:

 

You know damn well that's not what people are complaining about.

[chum1]

Yeah i'm with chum supporting or sticking up for a team that can't pull off a MAJOR upset is like so  :powerespect:

 

You know damn well that's not what people are complaining about.

No one would be going apeshit if the team had been remotely competitive.  They were thoroughly inept.

[LickNeckey]

4-1 with a loss to a top 10 team that people consider a title contender.

STFU

[CHONGS]

4-1 with a loss to a top 10 team that people consider a title contender.

STFU

Again missing the point.  Sometimes how you lose matters.

[wetwillie]

JT is such a powerespect like OMG

he just doesn't get it so since i'm a young hipster EMAWin former sec17er i'll lay it out for him

LHC Bill Snyder (OB's, Snyds, and various other euphemisms) has no ability to manage a qb situation and clearly plays CCQ (that means Carson Coffman for you powertards, clever huh) because he is a racist (so what if he has recruited two african american qb's this year) and has no understanding of what it takes to win a football game.

Vic Koening is like a god and was destined to be the savior of all things K-STATEO (god it is so cool to be condescending) until he betrayed us and left for a roster with actual DI football players.   Sure he was only our co-coordinator but he clearly like did all the good stuff and like Cosh clearly was responsible for all the bad junk, duh.  Sure TT scored 63 points but that was like way early and all the players fault and stuff.  I mean sure both games were played in week 6 and Nebraska scored less points and is in the top 10 but what happened yesterday was all like scheme and formation (i'm not sure what this means but Dax said it so it's true). 

Chris Cosh is like totally sucky sure he has worked for some great programs and coaches but like i'm pretty sure that fat guy from Maryland said something bad about him onetime, so he sucks.  Furthermore unlike Vik (as CNS so astutely pointed out) Cosh doesn't have to play with crapty (is this proper hipster spelling i get confused and really really want to fit in) RP players, you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) (sorry Mrs. Palin).  Cosh's D is loaded with like great players and stuff but is hamstrung by all the schemey formation stuff.  Sure were 4-1 but our defense like has nothing to with it and stuff.

Dana Dimel is like totally crapty too and stuff.  Like he is such a powerespect and not good at coaching and things.  I mean so what if he had a better record at Wyoming than Vik, big deal that doesn't mean anything.  I mean Dana never once did anything near as sweet as Vik, hell Dana doesn't even have the balls to make up false promises of commitment from imaginary unnamed players (cause like that is what great coaches do silly powerespect).

Del Miller is like old and junk and so he must be bad and stuff.

In conclusion maybe JT you just need to pull your head out and realize that our coaching staff is like really bad at their jobs (i mean like duh they are totally getting pwned on the bbs's by a bunch of accoutants, middle management, and twentysomethings).  I mean sure while we are 4-1 and are still in position to make a bowl game with a roster full of RP's crapty players that's like not the point man.

crap piss ass foooock *

(* fixed for Michigan Cat's approval )

OMG...are u calling out the great and almighty MC, OK Cat & Kouger or whatever?

this could get interesting.

making up jobs for people who bbs is my favorite "go to" for people who don't have an actual opinion on things. very lol. it was decent until that. 

Damn, BSAC is Big Shot Accountant Cat?  I felt like the theme at this place was ATTORNEY driven. 

[monumentcat]

4-1 with a loss to a top 10 team that people consider a title contender.

STFU

Again missing the point.  Sometimes how you lose matters.

^^^This.

Looking like total dog crap on offense and especially on defense.  What makes it really great was a national  ESPN audience got to see it too.

[wes mantooth]

4-1 with a loss to a top 10 team that people consider a title contender.

STFU

so basically better than we would have expected before the season started?

[mcmwcat]

Koenning's defense shutting down Penn St through 3rd quarter in Happy Valley   

49 yards allowed on the ground 

[wabash909]

Koenning's defense shutting down Penn St through 3rd quarter in Happy Valley   

49 yards allowed on the ground 

Gotta feel good for Koenning.  He obviously really hated Snyder and Cosh and it's nice to see a coach of his caliber make a lateral move after one year to Illinois and have it work out so well for him.

13 points to Penn State on their home field.  WOW!!!!!   

[Dr Rick Daris]

Koenning's defense shutting down Penn St through 3rd quarter in Happy Valley   

49 yards allowed on the ground 

Gotta feel good for Koenning.  He obviously really hated Snyder and Cosh and it's nice to see a coach of his caliber make a lateral move after one year to Illinois and have it work out so well for him.

13 points to Penn State on their home field.  WOW!!!!!   

he's getting paid three times as much. not really lateral. what i don't get is why snyder won't give up a little bit of money to retain great coaches like koenning. make 1.5 million and have a great staff or make 2.0 million and have the one you have. when does he start thinking quality of lite type stuff?

[sonofdaxjones]

VK is making about $475K a year at Illinois, that's not triple what K-State was paying.

 

[wabash909]

Koenning's defense shutting down Penn St through 3rd quarter in Happy Valley   

49 yards allowed on the ground 

Gotta feel good for Koenning.  He obviously really hated Snyder and Cosh and it's nice to see a coach of his caliber make a lateral move after one year to Illinois and have it work out so well for him.

13 points to Penn State on their home field.  WOW!!!!!   

he's getting paid three times as much. not really lateral. what i don't get is why snyder won't give up a little bit of money to retain great coaches like koenning. make 1.5 million and have a great staff or make 2.0 million and have the one you have. when does he start thinking quality of lite type stuff?

Great point, Rick Daris.

The whole not paying our coaches commensurate salaries sure is a repeating pattern than seems to never be addressed.  Weird how this repeating patterns continues to repeat itself over and over though.

Seems to have started with the mass exodus in 1998.  Could have retained Venables with a substantial salary increase, but watched him trot off to Okie land with the rest of the bunch for bigger salaries.

Of course the most titanic failure that ultimately cost Snyder his program was letting Bielema slip away to Wisky following the Big XII Title in 2003, and allowing Bobby Elliot to run the ship aground.

Then allowing Koenning to depart to Illinois last year without even putting up a fight was just the most recent example of the revolving door for our best assistants.

It's weird how Frank makes paying his assistants a top priority but Snyder apparently does not.  Is it greed?  Hyper-conservatism?  Very weird indeed.

[Dr Rick Daris]

VK is making about $475K a year at Illinois, that's not triple what K-State was paying.

 

fair enough. double though. still not lateral.

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't think I am going too far out on a limb by saying that I doubt Vic appreciated the "Co" next to his title.   He's never been a "Co" anything as far as I know.

[jtksu]

Venzy wasn't staying at KSU, no matter what we paid him.  And Snyds didn't let Bielema go, Bielema left to take the HCIW job at a great football school.  Snyder had a ton of very good assistants.  Very good assistants eventually leave, they either get better cooridinator slots or HC jobs.  I'm certainly not content with the current staff but acting like all those assistants left because we wouldn't pay them is beyond Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), even for the retards on this board.

[wabash909]

Venzy wasn't staying at KSU, no matter what we paid him.  And Snyds didn't let Bielema go, Bielema left to take the HCIW job at a great football school.  Snyder had a ton of very good assistants.  Very good assistants eventually leave, they either get better cooridinator slots or HC jobs.  I'm certainly not content with the current staff but acting like all those assistants left because we wouldn't pay them is beyond Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), even for the retards on this board.

Nailed it!

 :powerespect:

[Dr Rick Daris]

Koenning's defense shutting down Penn St through 3rd quarter in Happy Valley   

49 yards allowed on the ground 

Gotta feel good for Koenning.  He obviously really hated Snyder and Cosh and it's nice to see a coach of his caliber make a lateral move after one year to Illinois and have it work out so well for him.

13 points to Penn State on their home field.  WOW!!!!!   

he's getting paid three times as much. not really lateral. what i don't get is why snyder won't give up a little bit of money to retain great coaches like koenning. make 1.5 million and have a great staff or make 2.0 million and have the one you have. when does he start thinking quality of lite type stuff?

Great point, Rick Daris.

The whole not paying our coaches commensurate salaries sure is a repeating pattern than seems to never be addressed.  Weird how this repeating patterns continues to repeat itself over and over though.

Seems to have started with the mass exodus in 1998.  Could have retained Venables with a substantial salary increase, but watched him trot off to Okie land with the rest of the bunch for bigger salaries.

Of course the most titanic failure that ultimately cost Snyder his program was letting Bielema slip away to Wisky following the Big XII Title in 2003, and allowing Bobby Elliot to run the ship aground.

Then allowing Koenning to depart to Illinois last year without even putting up a fight was just the most recent example of the revolving door for our best assistants.

It's weird how Frank makes paying his assistants a top priority but Snyder apparently does not.  Is it greed?  Hyper-conservatism?  Very weird indeed.

yeah man. it's like frank realizes that getting a good staff and keeping them happy is good for him in the long run or something. strange indeed. probably better to hire a bunch of people. pay them crappily. let the good ones leave for higher paying jobs and never fire the ones that can't get higher paying jobs. those are the ones you want to roll with. they're certainly going to make your life easier/more fun. and seriously, at his age and stuff snyder is still coaching because he likes it or something, right? i mean, snyder isn't just collecting a paycheck is he? would he do that to us? did he gamble all of his previous earnings away at the casinos via the free bus that picks you up at the kmart parking lot? is that why he came back?

[LickNeckey]

4-1 with a loss to a top 10 team that people consider a title contender.

STFU

Again missing the point.  Sometimes how you lose matters.

^^^This.

Looking like total dog crap on offense and especially on defense.  What makes it really great was a national  ESPN audience got to see it too.

No chicken little i'm not missing the point.  

The point is we are an average to above average team that is limited by our personel.  Reasonable expectations going into the season were achieving a winning record and making a bowl game, that hasn't changed.  In fact at this point in the season we have probably exceeded expectations.

The point is one game does not define a season.  Overdramatic douchebags were proclaiming the demise of K-State Basketball and the obvious flaws of Frank Martin following the Ft. Hays game last year.  Now it is Cosh and the fact that he obviously can't coach football.  However Cosh somehow managed to hold UCLA to less points with less talent than Will Muschamp at Texas.  So why don't all of you Beano Cook's run over to the Texas board and tell them to fire their HCIW.