LHC Bill Snyder is a terrible coach

[Acceleration Man]

we're not even a steaming pile, just a pile.

We're a steaming pile of chicken crap.

And which of you thought we were world beaters? You all were hoping for 6-6, maybe 7-5, and you're surprised that we lose badly to a clicking, explosive, top 10 team? It's frustrating for sure, but not unexpected in the big picture. We're not great, and we won't be this year. However we still have a great shot at a 7-5 and a bowl game, which would be an improvement for the program. Again, the question is how do we respond to getting our butts kicked.

[michigancat]

we're not even a steaming pile, just a pile.

We're a steaming pile of chicken crap.

And which of you thought we were world beaters? You all were hoping for 6-6, maybe 7-5, and you're surprised that we lose badly to a clicking, explosive, top 10 team? It's frustrating for sure, but not unexpected in the big picture. We're not great, and we won't be this year. However we still have a great shot at a 7-5 and a bowl game, which would be an improvement for the program. Again, the question is how do we respond to getting our butts kicked.

We're about what we would expect if we hired some jackass like Turner Gill.  We're paying $2million a year to hope for 6-6.  We should expect more than hoping for a great shot at 7-5.  But we don't.

[catINdallas]

Again, the question is how do we respond to getting our butts kicked.

F.U. Buggeater sock!

[Acceleration Man]

we're not even a steaming pile, just a pile.

We're a steaming pile of chicken crap.

And which of you thought we were world beaters? You all were hoping for 6-6, maybe 7-5, and you're surprised that we lose badly to a clicking, explosive, top 10 team? It's frustrating for sure, but not unexpected in the big picture. We're not great, and we won't be this year. However we still have a great shot at a 7-5 and a bowl game, which would be an improvement for the program. Again, the question is how do we respond to getting our butts kicked.

We're about what we would expect if we hired some jackass like Turner Gill.  We're paying $2million a year to hope for 6-6.  We should expect more than hoping for a great shot at 7-5.  But we don't.

That's a fair point -- but at least as far as I'm concerned, that's what we're hoping for this year, just looking at personnel. Now if we don't show improvement long term, it's another story. Snyd's is early in his 2nd year back, after dealing with a roster woefully lacking in talent (other than RB), and the right kind of players to run the system he likes. I expect to see improvement next year. Of course, recruiting could always be better, but getting Brod, Harp, and 2 Browns to transfer back here is impressive to me. I know you want to hate on the old man, but its certainly not as bad as you think it is.  

[catzacker]

we're not even a steaming pile, just a pile.

We're a steaming pile of chicken crap.

And which of you thought we were world beaters? You all were hoping for 6-6, maybe 7-5, and you're surprised that we lose badly to a clicking, explosive, top 10 team? It's frustrating for sure, but not unexpected in the big picture. We're not great, and we won't be this year. However we still have a great shot at a 7-5 and a bowl game, which would be an improvement for the program. Again, the question is how do we respond to getting our butts kicked.

We're about what we would expect if we hired some jackass like Turner Gill.  We're paying $2million a year to hope for 6-6.  We should expect more than hoping for a great shot at 7-5.  But we don't.

That's a fair point -- but at least as far as I'm concerned, that's what we're hoping for this year, just looking at personnel. Now if we don't show improvement long term, it's another story. Snyd's is early in his 2nd year back, after dealing with a roster woefully lacking in talent (other than RB), and the right kind of players to run the system he likes. I expect to see improvement next year. Of course, recruiting could always be better, but getting Brod, Harp, and 2 Browns to transfer back here is impressive to me. I know you want to hate on the old man, but its certainly not as bad as you think it is.  

it really isn't just 2 years, it's the years leading up to '04 and '05 (basically, recruiting since '02) AND the last two years that LHC Bill Snyder and his staff (a staff, btw, that is nearly identical to the ones that train wrecked a championship program) has failed to get impact players, especially at the qb position. but continue to "ok, starting NOW bill will get us good".

[PowercatPat]

You know which coach I want fired right now? Chris fracking Cosh.

[catzacker]

You know which coach I want fired right now? Chris fracking Cosh.

you know which coach won't fire cosh?  the same terrible coach that hired him....twice.

[ArchE_Cat]

the second that leavitt was fired at USF OB should have canned Cosh

[Acceleration Man]

...his staff (a staff, btw, that is nearly identical to the ones that train wrecked a championship program)...

Valid point.

Especially given we have no one on staff that could possibly be HCIW.

[catzacker]

...his staff (a staff, btw, that is nearly identical to the ones that train wrecked a championship program)...

Valid point.

Especially given we have no one on staff that could possibly be HCIW.

jfc.  i hope you forgot to put this in italics.  we don't need a HCIW, we need a HC.

[Acceleration Man]

You know which coach I want fired right now? Chris fracking Cosh.

you know which coach won't fire cosh?  the same terrible coach that hired him....twice.

Yeah... esp. since he doesn't even like his philosophy. I guess it's family, loyalty, etc. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work out that nice in competitive sports.

[Acceleration Man]

...his staff (a staff, btw, that is nearly identical to the ones that train wrecked a championship program)...

Valid point.

Especially given we have no one on staff that could possibly be HCIW.

jfc.  i hope you forgot to put this in italics.  we don't need a HCIW, we need a HC.

Just saying the lack of HCIW really bothers me because if you're going to "smooth the waters" and then leave, it seems logical that you also would try to have at least a good option in place to make the transition easier than w/Prince (not only bad coach, but completely different philosophies and schemes). The trouble with a new coach from outside the system is, that you're likely putting up with him for at least 3 years just to give him time to "bring in kids that fit his system", and if he isn't a good coach (like binder boy) or a good fit for whatever reason, you're digging yourself a hole that didn't have to be dug. And when you are playing in Manahattan, KS, those holes can be unusually hard to dig out of.

[Poonhound69]

PH69 is 100% behind coach Snyder. 

[ZmoneyKSU]

water doesn't feel so calm anymore

[monumentcat]

I don't care  about a HCIW.   Hell, we can prop up Snyder "Weekends in Bernie Style" for all I care, but I do have a problem with the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) assistant coaches that he brought in and is in the process of failing with again.  

The defense is horrible, much like 2004 and 2005, yet we have the Cosh and crew, just like then.

That being said we only need 2 more wins for the Pinstripe Bowl and that's all that matters.

[Poonhound69]

This thread is really pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  But whatever. 

[doom]

Bill actually sucked at coaching tonight. 
-blowing timeout to go for it on 4th and 2.
-going for it on 4th and 2
-Leaving Carson in
-Leaving Brod in
-Anything defensively you can imagine

[pike]

I reluctantly agree. Time for old balls to retire. Absolutely embarrasing performance infront of every tv in the nation

[swish1]

Bill actually sucked at coaching tonight. 
-blowing timeout to go for it on 4th and 2

that is a pathetic argument.

[slimz]

Look, when Snyder was rehired, the thing that was going to make or break it was whether he was going to be able to bring in new, younger, more invigorated assistants. At first, it looked like he was, with the Utah OC and Koenning. Then the Utah OC bailed after like 2 weeks and Koenning bailed after last year, and now we're stuck with the same guys who brought you Snyder's Decline, Part I.

The only way this thing will be salvaged is if Snyder fires his first assistant ever this offseason (Cosh) and brings in a better DC as HCIW and big shot recruiter. I know who my pick would be.

[slackcat]

WTF did we hire this douchebag for?  Man.

Because until he dies, he the boss.  shazbot!, his fave movie is Pinnochio....   Pelini's prolly Goodfellas.

Pretty had to add any new assesment of the game, all the previous comments are right.

[AzCat]

22 months at the helm, and we get this crap?  We suck at everything.

He's ahead of schedule.  In '90, his second year, he lost to Nebraska 45-8, last night it was 48-13.  He's even better than the first time around! 

 :powerespect:

["storm"nut]

He is not a bad coach just should not be coaching any more. He should be Paternoing it by now and letting the coaching staff (not the one right now save Dickey and maybe Rahne?) run the program.

I guess I am a tard in that I believe he build this program so he can neglect it and make it look like crap all he wants, its his.

[michigancat]

I guess I am a tard in that I believe he build this program so he can neglect it and make it look like crap all he wants, its his.

I think he tries really hard.  Trying hard is just not good enough any more.

["storm"nut]

I guess I am a tard in that I believe he build this program so he can neglect it and make it look like crap all he wants, its his.

I think he tries really hard.  Trying hard is just not good enough any more.

That's why he should be our HC in figure head alone. Give him a legal pad and let Mike Leach make us a bowl team every year ( will never get us a NC, if he could not do it at tech he will not here)