biggest football (general) tard talking point?

[Andy]

if carson can check us into the right plays and not turn it over more than once a game and can net positive yardage rushing (was -5 this week), i think we will be just fine (like 8 wins).  will be frustrating to watch though.

[bakerman]

I'm finding it hard to believe there is even an argument going on here....

Who gives a feces if CCQ goes 8-12 for 85 yards 1 TD and 0 INT, that's all he needs to do. Why do we need to have Drew Brees playing QB for us?  Coffman did exactly what he needed to do, don't lose the game. 


Big fracking  about if we had gotten a better QB this off season. We didn't, Coffman is adequate. That's all we need right now. The Big 12 North isn't exactly the SEC...

Daris and MIR making a few people look really foolish in this thread...

[Panjandrum]

The frustrating thing, in my opinion, is that we apparently don't have a QB on the roster that's better than "not good to the point where we just ask him not to lose the game for us".

I think there's a lot of frustration venting from that.  That's what I'm going with.

Also, if we've got a kid who's just going to turn around and hand the ball off, why not try Cosh?  Yeah, he's a freshman, but we're going to severely limit what he can throw, and if all else fails, we can call the plays from the sideline.

But, hey, whatever.  Go Carsy. 

[CHONGS]

The frustrating thing, in my opinion, is that we apparently don't have a QB on the roster that's better than "not good to the point where we just ask him not to lose the game for us".

I think there's a lot of frustration venting from that.  That's what I'm going with.

Also, if we've got a kid who's just going to turn around and hand the ball off, why not try Cosh?  Yeah, he's a freshman, but we're going to severely limit what he can throw, and if all else fails, we can call the plays from the sideline.

But, hey, whatever.  Go Carsy. 

Carson is making the right reads.  QBing is more than just passing the ball.  If it was all about handing it off, why did the offense tank so dramatically when Klein was in the game?

[Rage Against the McKee]

The frustrating thing, in my opinion, is that we apparently don't have a QB on the roster that's better than "not good to the point where we just ask him not to lose the game for us".

I think there's a lot of frustration venting from that.  That's what I'm going with.

Also, if we've got a kid who's just going to turn around and hand the ball off, why not try Cosh?  Yeah, he's a freshman, but we're going to severely limit what he can throw, and if all else fails, we can call the plays from the sideline.

But, hey, whatever.  Go Carsy. 

If we are not going to throw the ball much anyway, I'd rather have Coffman in the game. Our offense depends on the QB making a bunch of reads, both prior to and after the snap, and I'm more comfortable with Coffman making those reads than anyone else on our roster. Now, if we would actually have an effective passing game with Cosh, that is a different story. I don't believe this would be the case, though.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The frustrating thing, in my opinion, is that we apparently don't have a QB on the roster that's better than "not good to the point where we just ask him not to lose the game for us".

I think there's a lot of frustration venting from that.  That's what I'm going with.

Also, if we've got a kid who's just going to turn around and hand the ball off, why not try Cosh?  Yeah, he's a freshman, but we're going to severely limit what he can throw, and if all else fails, we can call the plays from the sideline.

But, hey, whatever.  Go Carsy. 

Carson is making the right reads.  QBing is more than just passing the ball.  If it was all about handing it off, why did the offense tank so dramatically when Klein was in the game?

Excellent post. Beat me to it.

[sonofdaxjones]

Not saying that Klein is anywhere close to being the answer . . . but it's good to know that we've got so many experts on here that can figure out there would be a huge drop off with Klein after he's in for 7 plays of which 5 were the most conservative play calls short of taking a knee available in the game, and the other 2 were about as conservative of a pass play as you'll find in any offense.   

[Rage Against the McKee]

Not saying that Klein is anywhere close to being the answer . . . but it's good to know that we've got so many experts on here that can figure out there would be a huge drop off with Klein after he's in for 7 plays of which 5 were the most conservative play calls short of taking a knee available in the game, and the other 2 were about as conservative of a pass play as you'll find in any offense.   

To be fair, nearly all of the play calls with Coffman in the game were also very conservative. I haven't seen enough to say that Klein totally sucks, though he did keep the ball on a 3rd and long option where the pitch looked more appealing from where I was sitting.

[Panjandrum]

The frustrating thing, in my opinion, is that we apparently don't have a QB on the roster that's better than "not good to the point where we just ask him not to lose the game for us".

I think there's a lot of frustration venting from that.  That's what I'm going with.

Also, if we've got a kid who's just going to turn around and hand the ball off, why not try Cosh?  Yeah, he's a freshman, but we're going to severely limit what he can throw, and if all else fails, we can call the plays from the sideline.

But, hey, whatever.  Go Carsy. 

If we are not going to throw the ball much anyway, I'd rather have Coffman in the game. Our offense depends on the QB making a bunch of reads, both prior to and after the snap, and I'm more comfortable with Coffman making those reads than anyone else on our roster. Now, if we would actually have an effective passing game with Cosh, that is a different story. I don't believe this would be the case, though.

But it seems to me that the reason we aren't throwing the ball is because Carson is the QB.  We aren't not throwing the ball because Snyder has an aversion to it.  He has stated many times that he wants balance.

If the job of the QB is to make pre-snap reads, fine.  So be it.  However, last year, Gregory took all of the calls and adjustments from the sidelines.  He didn't make reads before the snap.  The coaches did it for him.  So, there is precedent out there if Snyder will break tradition and do the pre-snap reads from the box.  It may not be his preference, but it is an option.

Hey, maybe Carson is really the best we have, and that includes Cosh.  I'll resign myself to that, if that's the case.

[Panjandrum]

The frustrating thing, in my opinion, is that we apparently don't have a QB on the roster that's better than "not good to the point where we just ask him not to lose the game for us".

I think there's a lot of frustration venting from that.  That's what I'm going with.

Also, if we've got a kid who's just going to turn around and hand the ball off, why not try Cosh?  Yeah, he's a freshman, but we're going to severely limit what he can throw, and if all else fails, we can call the plays from the sideline.

But, hey, whatever.  Go Carsy. 

Carson is making the right reads.  QBing is more than just passing the ball.  If it was all about handing it off, why did the offense tank so dramatically when Klein was in the game?

I'm aware of what QBs do.  However, Snyder, historically, will just shut the offense down if he doesn't have faith in a player to make a decision on his own.  He'd rather not make a mistake and run ten straight dive plays than even risk turning it over.  Who knows what Klein would have done if actually allowed to run something?

And, for the record, I'm not saying Klein would have lit up the scoreboard.  He was just out there on an extremely short leash with practically zero options.

[MakeItRain]

Not saying that Klein is anywhere close to being the answer . . . but it's good to know that we've got so many experts on here that can figure out there would be a huge drop off with Klein

BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO , classic Dax posting strategy, build a huge strawman and burn the bitch down to divert from the actual topic. 

Literally no poster in this thread even attempted to make this argument, seriously not one person, not sure where you devised this in your head.  This thread is about Carson Coffman, not Colin Klein.

[sonofdaxjones]

Not saying that Klein is anywhere close to being the answer . . . but it's good to know that we've got so many experts on here that can figure out there would be a huge drop off with Klein

BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO , classic Dax posting strategy, build a huge strawman and burn the bitch down to divert from the actual topic. 

Literally no poster in this thread even attempted to make this argument, seriously not one person, not sure where you devised this in your head.  This thread is about Carson Coffman, not Colin Klein.

Wut . . . sock.

So who do you post under over at gopo or Kstatefans??

[kso_FAN]

The way Snyder managed this game was a lot like when we played usc in the coliseum. He was not going to put the qb in a situation to lose the game.  This was even more important given that ucla had one of the better secondaries we'll see all year and that we have very little experience at wr.  Snyder did try to get the wrs the ball to make pays, but in safer situations like reverses, quick throws, and bubble routes, but ucla's secondary and lbs defended well.  The result was riding Thomas and Powell, which given the second half and 3 tds with one fg in 4 possessions worked out pretty well.

That said, snyder is going to have to be very creative with the offense to help thomas out. The reverses and quick throws were part of that, but we'll need more.  It looks like a vertical passing game probably won't be a big weapon either, but smith, harper, and thompson are too talented not to be used.  Its unfortunate we didn't manage to land a better threat at qb, but you can't change that now. Hopefully coffman, klein, or lamur can give us enough to get to 7 wins and perhaps challenge for the north.

Of course the frustrating thing is not having a playmaker at qb because no doubt we'd be a major player for the north, but I'm still happy the overall talent level is much improved on offense allowing us a legit shot at a bowl and possibly a shot at the north.

[Bill Clarahan]

The frustrating thing, in my opinion, is that we apparently don't have a QB on the roster that's better than "not good to the point where we just ask him not to lose the game for us".

I think there's a lot of frustration venting from that.  That's what I'm going with.

Also, if we've got a kid who's just going to turn around and hand the ball off, why not try Cosh?  Yeah, he's a freshman, but we're going to severely limit what he can throw, and if all else fails, we can call the plays from the sideline.

But, hey, whatever.  Go Carsy. 

Carson is making the right reads.  QBing is more than just passing the ball.  If it was all about handing it off, why did the offense tank so dramatically when Klein was in the game?

CK's first series started on the 3 so there weren't alot of play options there

[MakeItRain]

Not saying that Klein is anywhere close to being the answer . . . but it's good to know that we've got so many experts on here that can figure out there would be a huge drop off with Klein

BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO , classic Dax posting strategy, build a huge strawman and burn the bitch down to divert from the actual topic. 

Literally no poster in this thread even attempted to make this argument, seriously not one person, not sure where you devised this in your head.  This thread is about Carson Coffman, not Colin Klein.

Wut . . . sock.

So who do you post under over at gopo or Kstatefans??

That's a tap, don't post on this subject again old balls.  You got abused and I don't even care a great deal about the topic.  I give you credit though, you really have staying power with this shtick, football and basketball for as long as I can remember, well done.

[sonofdaxjones]

Now that you're done with your little rant, who do you post under over at GoPo and/or ksf's.com??

Albeit your SOP is very Goldie like.   How's mom's basement??

[Sugar Dick]

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[Sugar Dick]

DScottFritchen
 
QB Carson Coffman leads the Big 12 and ranks No. 14 nationally in passing efficiency 169.68 after the first two weeks.

 

[OregonSmock]

Our Running Backs accounted for 83% of K-State's total Net Offense last Saturday . . .  using the net numbers, Carsy Coffman was the "playmaker" for 61 yards of total offense in 69 offensive snaps with Carsy in as QB, that's .88 offensive yards per snap directly related to the QB position.

But like I said, if we can get Carsy anywhere close to the K-State QB that OB himself compared him to on his radio show last Thursday, we'll all take that.   

Um yeah that's the point, he isn't needed to be a playmaker.  We won right?  Pretty sure I can find 6 defenses on the schedule worse than UCLAs.  He made one horrible mistake and it cost 7 points, we just need less of that.

Um . . . where are these 6 worse defenses??   I'll give you Missouri State, who else?? 

Missouri State
North Texas
Kansas
Colorado
(maybe) UCF
Iowa State
Baylor

KU's total defense is ranked 34th in the country.  UCLA's is ranked 75th.  Try again.

[Sugar Dick]

Our Running Backs accounted for 83% of K-State's total Net Offense last Saturday . . .  using the net numbers, Carsy Coffman was the "playmaker" for 61 yards of total offense in 69 offensive snaps with Carsy in as QB, that's .88 offensive yards per snap directly related to the QB position.

But like I said, if we can get Carsy anywhere close to the K-State QB that OB himself compared him to on his radio show last Thursday, we'll all take that.    

Um yeah that's the point, he isn't needed to be a playmaker.  We won right?  Pretty sure I can find 6 defenses on the schedule worse than UCLAs.  He made one horrible mistake and it cost 7 points, we just need less of that.

Um . . . where are these 6 worse defenses??   I'll give you Missouri State, who else??  

Missouri State
North Texas
Kansas
Colorado
(maybe) UCF
Iowa State
Baylor

KU's total defense is ranked 34th in the country.  UCLA's is ranked 75th.  Try again.

You played Buffalo State and a team that only runs the ball.  Plus this is a thread about QB's.

Ours is ranked #14 nationally (not straight faced), your's looks like Hrebec's little brother and his best career pass was an overthrow caught by a guy running the wrong route  

[jtksu]

Do they make clownsuits in XXL?  Would be pretty cute if Ben and his "girl"friend had matching Halloween costumes.

[sonofdaxjones]

The guy Ben wished ku hired has a pretty good football team.

LOL,  just looked at the NCAA Passing Efficiency Rankings and for Josh Nesbitt . . .  they're so bad, he isn't even ranked.   I had to go to ESPN to see that he has a QB rating of 84.36.

The cutoff on the NCAA stats chart is 99.89, and that chart has guys on it who aren't even starters for their team.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Our Running Backs accounted for 83% of K-State's total Net Offense last Saturday . . .  using the net numbers, Carsy Coffman was the "playmaker" for 61 yards of total offense in 69 offensive snaps with Carsy in as QB, that's .88 offensive yards per snap directly related to the QB position.

But like I said, if we can get Carsy anywhere close to the K-State QB that OB himself compared him to on his radio show last Thursday, we'll all take that.   

Um yeah that's the point, he isn't needed to be a playmaker.  We won right?  Pretty sure I can find 6 defenses on the schedule worse than UCLAs.  He made one horrible mistake and it cost 7 points, we just need less of that.

Um . . . where are these 6 worse defenses??   I'll give you Missouri State, who else?? 

Missouri State
North Texas
Kansas
Colorado
(maybe) UCF
Iowa State
Baylor

KU's total defense is ranked 34th in the country.  UCLA's is ranked 75th.  Try again.

  Nice post. Honestly, I'm surprised KU's defense isn't in the top 10 right now.

[mcmwcat]

As for Washington State, which needed a big comeback to nip Montana State, and UCLA, which got bricked at home vs. Stanford, it seems like we know where things stand: Both are going to finish in the bottom third of the conference.

 

forgot link: http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/12902/what-we-learned-in-the-pac-10-week-2

[Rage Against the McKee]

As for Washington State, which needed a big comeback to nip Montana State, and UCLA, which got bricked at home vs. Stanford, it seems like we know where things stand: Both are going to finish in the bottom third of the conference.

 

I wonder if UCLA fans got all  last year when we lost to LaLa.