The Future

[steve dave]

FWIW, Judge will only go NBA (early) if hes putting up 20 and 10. 

I'd say the chances of Judge transfering are >> NBA

Both of these statements are ridiculous imo

[WillieWatanabe]

FWIW, Judge will only go NBA (early) if hes putting up 20 and 10. 

I'd say the chances of Judge transfering are >> NBA

Both of these statements are ridiculous imo

I don't see how transferring would help Judge AT ALL. Dude still gives 110% effort and isn't constantly in Frank's doghouse.

[sys]

FWIW, Judge will only go NBA (early) if hes putting up 20 and 10. 

I'd say the chances of Judge transfering are >> NBA

Both of these statements are ridiculous imo

yeah.  really ridiculous.

[sys]

Looking back what we thought our post-beasley roster would be, would we think a core of Pullen, Clemente, McGruder, and Samuels would be a top 15 team?   (Considering Judge has basically been non-existent).

Probably not.  A lot can be happen, especially w/ transfers.

good point.  still i'd hate to see kstate fan's get all missourish and assume that martin's system and eye for talent will turn any non-random assortment of martin recruited 3 stars into an top 15 team.

[catzacker]

Looking back what we thought our post-beasley roster would be, would we think a core of Pullen, Clemente, McGruder, and Samuels would be a top 15 team?   (Considering Judge has basically been non-existent).

Probably not.  A lot can be happen, especially w/ transfers.

yeah, that's why is said irving and russell's development is huge along with gruds and judge becoming elite-ish type players.  we could very well end up with shipman's and kadji's.

[michigancat]

Looking back what we thought our post-beasley roster would be, would we think a core of Pullen, Clemente, McGruder, and Samuels would be a top 15 team?   (Considering Judge has basically been non-existent).

Probably not.  A lot can be happen, especially w/ transfers.

good point.  still i'd hate to see kstate fan's get all missourish and assume that martin's system and eye for talent will turn any non-random assortment of martin recruited 3 stars into an top 15 team.

I'm holding out hope for a CK-ish transfer, more than I'm banking on Frank's magical system.  I've pretty much given up hope of 5 star recruits, and barely think we have a chance w/ fringe top 100 guys any more (unless they're transfers).

[wiley]

How good is Nino Williams?

[WillieWatanabe]

Looking back what we thought our post-beasley roster would be, would we think a core of Pullen, Clemente, McGruder, and Samuels would be a top 15 team?   (Considering Judge has basically been non-existent).

Probably not.  A lot can be happen, especially w/ transfers.

good point.  still i'd hate to see kstate fan's get all missourish and assume that martin's system and eye for talent will turn any non-random assortment of martin recruited 3 stars into an top 15 team.

I'm holding out hope for a CK-ish transfer, more than I'm banking on Frank's magical system.  I've pretty much given up hope of 5 star recruits, and barely think we have a chance w/ fringe top 100 guys any more (unless they're transfers).

that's why im hoping our program actually being good and on tv and stuff will help. Time will tell.

[sys]

I'm holding out hope for a CK-ish transfer, more than I'm banking on Frank's magical system.  I've pretty much given up hope of 5 star recruits, and barely think we have a chance w/ fringe top 100 guys any more (unless they're transfers).

ck has been good lately, but i think if you wanted to pick out reasons why kstate is better than expected this year, it is like 70% unrated 3 star pullen playing like a 1st or 2nd team all big 12 player.  maybe 20% unrated, late-recruited 3 star samuels playing like an hon mention.

don't get why you are down on kstate future recruiting.  the staff knows how to recruit, and the environment is getting easier, not harder.

[michigancat]

ck has been good lately, but i think if you wanted to pick out reasons why kstate is better than expected this year, it is like 70% unrated 3 star pullen playing like a 1st or 2nd team all big 12 player.  maybe 20% unrated, late-recruited 3 star samuels playing like an hon mention.

I don't necessarily disagree.

don't get why you are down on kstate future recruiting.  the staff knows how to recruit, and the environment is getting easier, not harder.

because I haven't seen results.  I mean, our biggest recruiting success since the Judge commitment was stealing Nick Russell from SMU.  Don't see how the environment is changing significantly (easier or harder).  I don't think the positive media exposure mentioned in this thread helps as much as people think in the short term.  It takes a long period of sustained success to get random interest because you're on TV a lot.  IMO. 

Granted, as you have mentioned several times, we just don't know what's happening since J-Mart left.  So it might not be as bad as I suspect.

[sys]

Don't see how the environment is changing significantly (easier or harder).  I don't think the positive media exposure mentioned in this thread helps as much as people think in the short term.  It takes a long period of sustained success to get random interest because you're on TV a lot.  IMO. 

you mention it yourself.  on natl tv.  i don't think it takes a long time before that changes the environment.  maybe not is getting random interest, but in getting a better reception to targeted interest.  i don't think it takes that long.

[WillieWatanabe]

Granted, as you have mentioned several times, we just don't know what's happening since J-Mart left.  So it might not be as bad as I suspect.

Would love nothing more than ksu picking up a big commitment out of nowhere thanks to the impotence of kitchmanmeek.

[kso_FAN]

ck has been good lately, but i think if you wanted to pick out reasons why kstate is better than expected this year, it is like 70% unrated 3 star pullen playing like a 1st or 2nd team all big 12 player.  maybe 20% unrated, late-recruited 3 star samuels playing like an hon mention.

Yeah, its amazing how those 2 have made up for the terrible, selfish play of Clemente.

And agreed on the "environment" part, if Frank and 'Te can't parlay some of this exposure into some more furtile recruiting then I'll be very disappointed. 

Learn from the DOD mistakes!

[WildcatNkilt]

Clarification:  Transfering if Martin bails.

NBA talent yes, but stupid to dash to NBA if hes not putting up NBA quality numbers.  JMO

[FP TC etc.]

ck has been good lately, but i think if you wanted to pick out reasons why kstate is better than expected this year, it is like 70% unrated 3 star pullen playing like a 1st or 2nd team all big 12 player.  maybe 20% unrated, late-recruited 3 star samuels playing like an hon mention.

Yeah, its amazing how those 2 have made up for the terrible, selfish play of Clemente.

And agreed on the "environment" part, if Frank and 'Te can't parlay some of this exposure into some more furtile recruiting then I'll be very disappointed. 

Learn from the DOD mistakes!

Frank seems to be the anti-snyder. Hopefully recruiting reflects that. 

[Dcwildcat]

ck has been good lately, but i think if you wanted to pick out reasons why kstate is better than expected this year, it is like 70% unrated 3 star pullen playing like a 1st or 2nd team all big 12 player.  maybe 20% unrated, late-recruited 3 star samuels playing like an hon mention.

I don't necessarily disagree.

don't get why you are down on kstate future recruiting.  the staff knows how to recruit, and the environment is getting easier, not harder.

because I haven't seen results.  I mean, our biggest recruiting success since the Judge commitment was stealing Nick Russell from SMU.  Don't see how the environment is changing significantly (easier or harder).  I don't think the positive media exposure mentioned in this thread helps as much as people think in the short term.  It takes a long period of sustained success to get random interest because you're on TV a lot.  IMO. 

Granted, as you have mentioned several times, we just don't know what's happening since J-Mart left.  So it might not be as bad as I suspect.

The Key is how we develop our players in the program. I have seen flashes of Russell which make him look like he has a bunch of upside! Irving will at very least be a lock down defender that can handle the ball without turning it over(unlike Sutton)! If you have a starting line of:

pg: Russell
sg: McGruds
sf: Samuels
pf: Judge
c: Assp.

That to me can be as good as the line-up we have now depending on Judge and Russells improvements! Now all you have to do is build up the bench! Transfers will help tho!

[steve dave]

Clarification:  Transfering if Martin bails.

NBA talent yes, but stupid to dash to NBA if hes not putting up NBA quality numbers.  JMO

You are making yourself sound more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) by the second

[WildcatNkilt]

 

[yosh]

Don't see how the environment is changing significantly (easier or harder).  I don't think the positive media exposure mentioned in this thread helps as much as people think in the short term.  It takes a long period of sustained success to get random interest because you're on TV a lot.  IMO. 

you mention it yourself.  on natl tv.  i don't think it takes a long time before that changes the environment.  maybe not is getting random interest, but in getting a better reception to targeted interest.  i don't think it takes that long.

Martin's validation is an important part of the equation as well..  He's a more proven commodity now.  Would be crazy to think more doors won't be open.

[pissclams]

players go where they're told to go by their people, who, in theory, should be our people.  think art alverez.  think Te '430k.

don't give me this "I saw them on ESPN2" or "the better we are, the better we recruit" bullshit.  our staff needs to continue to leverage and strengthen our connections in the aau circuit while at the same time building new ones. 

i like dreaming of great transfers like clems and CK but the reality is that those type of impact transfers are far from what you should expect.  imo.

[ben ji]

players go where they're told to go by their people, who, in theory, should be our people.  think art alverez.  think Te '430k.

don't give me this "I saw them on ESPN2" or "the better we are, the better we recruit" bullshit.  our staff needs to continue to leverage and strengthen our connections in the aau circuit while at the same time building new ones. 

i like dreaming of great transfers like clems and CK but the reality is that those type of impact transfers are far from what you should expect.  imo.

Agreed on the going there because they were told to go there but being on TV does help. If you told an elite caliber youngster 5 years ago to go to KSU he would of laughed in your face. Winning, Huggins/Martin and being on TV have changed that, now he will only giggle and open his hand wider.

IMO the whole "Saw them on TV and really wanted to be a part of it" really only works on 3 star or less caliber players

[pissclams]

Agreed on the going there because they were told to go there but being on TV does help. If you told an elite caliber youngster 5 years ago to go to KSU he would of laughed in your face. Winning, Huggins/Martin and being on TV have changed that, now he will only giggle and open his hand wider.

Bill Walker and Michael Beasley, the 5 star elites, came here because of connections.  they didn't give a damn where/who K-State was.

[steve dave]

I think the TV stuff may help with Spradling/Tyrell Reed level recruits....which aren't the ones we care about.

[canadian_breeze]

Agreed on the going there because they were told to go there but being on TV does help. If you told an elite caliber youngster 5 years ago to go to KSU he would of laughed in your face. Winning, Huggins/Martin and being on TV have changed that, now he will only giggle and open his hand wider.

Bill Walker and Michael Beasley, the 5 star elites, came here because of connections.  they didn't give a damn where/who K-State was.

qft, michael couldn't even find kansas on a map

[sys]

IMO the whole "Saw them on TV and really wanted to be a part of it" really only works on 3 star or less caliber players

you have it backwards.  recruits don't see crap on tv and want to be part of it.  they go to teams that are on tv a lot because they want to be on tv.


elite recruits don't go to teams that aren't going to play on natl tv.  sub-elite recruits only do if they can't get offers from a team that's on tv more.