How much growth will NBAF give Manhattan/KSU?

[Belvis Noland]

You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.

Again, like I said, I'm not an expert - far from it.  Don't smoke it.  Don't eat enough.  I defer to the experts.  and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC.  My personal opinion?  I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).   

[MakeItRain]

When your opinion goes against the vast majority of other people's opinions there is a decent chance your opinion is wrong and stupid.

hoe sit down, and chill out with the obsession

[Rage Against the McKee]

Belvis, it seems like you probably should be an expert on what you yourself like. Maybe you should go ahead and give the Wichita BBQ a try.

[EMAWmeister]

While Jack Stack is fantastic, I dont really consider it a bbq joint. More of a steakhouse. There is something inherently trashy about a bbq joint, and that's not a slam in any way.

[MakeItRain]

You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.

I defer to the experts.  and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC.  My personal opinion?  I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).   

Could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I addressed this and not only did you not address what I said but then you built a gigantic strawman. There are people in this world that have eaten at hundreds of bbq restaurants, neither me or Bobby Flay are in that group. Glad we can agree that someone that hasn't even been to Wichita or New York City for that matter can eliminate them from being better than something else.

[Belvis Noland]

You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.

I defer to the experts.  and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC.  My personal opinion?  I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).   

Could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I addressed this and not only did you not address what I said but then you built a gigantic strawman. There are people in this world that have eaten at hundreds of bbq restaurants, neither me or Bobby Flay are in that group. Glad we can agree that someone that hasn't even been to Wichita or New York City for that matter can eliminate them from being better than something else.

I think you reference "strawmen" more than any poster on here.  I'm beginning to think you don't actually know what a straw man is. 

[MakeItRain]

Belvis, it seems like you probably should be an expert on what you yourself like. Maybe you should go ahead and give the Wichita BBQ a try.

No, it's perfectly acceptable to just accept somneone elses limited opinion as fact without vetting these things yourself.

[MakeItRain]

You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.

I defer to the experts.  and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC.  My personal opinion?  I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).   

Could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I addressed this and not only did you not address what I said but then you built a gigantic strawman. There are people in this world that have eaten at hundreds of bbq restaurants, neither me or Bobby Flay are in that group. Glad we can agree that someone that hasn't even been to Wichita or New York City for that matter can eliminate them from being better than something else.

I think you reference "strawmen" more than any poster on here.  I'm beginning to think you don't actually know what a straw man is.

Don't put strawmen in quotes, I said strawman.

This is either a strawman or a lie, I'll let you decide because I certainly didn't say this either.

I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have

[kitten_mittons]

Maybe mir didn't like KC style bbq? The places he listed are probably not the same type as KC. Maybe you should go get some Memphis bbq or Austin.  It would be hard to believe a place in Wichita or OKC has the best of anything.

[_33]

When your opinion goes against the vast majority of other people's opinions there is a decent chance your opinion is wrong and stupid.

hoe sit down, and chill out with the obsession

huh?

[GoodForAnother]

probably the most interesting thing about wichitans is how hard they will try and convince themselves that wichita is just as good as kansas city

pro-tip: it isn't

Are you referring to me? One of us is from the Wichita area, pro-tip: you, not me.

Next time I am in Wichita (if I ever am back in Wichita), I will join MIR for BBQ and see if I can refute his claims.

No longer a Wichita pak'r

I forgot.  I don't know where you lived in New England, but you seem to consistently move to worse places.

man, wichitans suck at quoting

[wes mantooth]

Hey guys, Topeka, KS has hands down the best seafood in the entire country, you gotta check it out.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Maybe mir didn't like KC style bbq? The places he listed are probably not the same type as KC. Maybe you should go get some Memphis bbq or Austin.  It would be hard to believe a place in Wichita or OKC has the best of anything.

It's really kind of hard to believe that about KC, as well. Maybe they do, though.

[DQ12]

i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???) as opposed to the super sweet sauces of KC. 

[Winters]

Hey guys, Topeka, KS has hands down the best seafood in the entire country, you gotta check it out.

really? I will!

[0.42]

i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)

it can be, but it usually isn't.

[EMAWmeister]

Texas BBQ is pretty pud, actually. But if I'm looking for a steak as big as my torso, The Lone Star state is where I wanna be!

[DQ12]

i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)

it can be, but it usually isn't.

what's the spicy bbq then?  is there no home for spicy bbq?  maybe mhk should make that its "thing."

thoughts, Jakesie?

[Rage Against the McKee]

i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)

it can be, but it usually isn't.

what's the spicy bbq then?  is there no home for spicy bbq?  maybe mhk should make that its "thing."

thoughts, Jakesie?

I think it's supposed to be Carolina bbq, but I've never had it.

[DQ12]

i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)

it can be, but it usually isn't.

what's the spicy bbq then?  is there no home for spicy bbq?  maybe mhk should make that its "thing."

thoughts, Jakesie?

I think it's supposed to be Carolina bbq, but I've never had it.

i thought Carolina was "tangy."

 

[Gooch]

Carolina is pork centric with a tangy vinegar based sauce.

[Rage Against the McKee]

i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)

it can be, but it usually isn't.

what's the spicy bbq then?  is there no home for spicy bbq?  maybe mhk should make that its "thing."

thoughts, Jakesie?

I think it's supposed to be Carolina bbq, but I've never had it.

i thought Carolina was "tangy."

 

Probably. Like I said, I've never had it.

[Belvis Noland]

Belvis, it seems like you probably should be an expert on what you yourself like. Maybe you should go ahead and give the Wichita BBQ a try.

No, it's perfectly acceptable to just accept somneone elses limited opinion as fact without vetting these things yourself.

how do you "vet" something so subjective as "the best BBQ in the world"?  How the eff should I know?  Unlike MIR, who has apparently eaten at more BBQ places than everybody on this board combined, I don't have that kind of time. 

Yeah, sometimes, I just accept other perople's opinions.  Like, if Neil Armstrong tells me the moon is pretty rad?  I'll accept it.  If I'm told America is a better place to live than Ghana?  I'll accept it.  If a deep sea diver tells me that deep sea diving can be hazardous, I'll accept it.  If a food writer tells me that Kansas City has better BBQ than Oklahoma City, I'll accept it. 

[SabiNation]

Memphis = Spicy?   

[pissclams]

i agree with mir that Ok joes is overrated.  but it is really good.

gates can be incredibly good, but on average, it's average, and it can be incredibly bad too.  they, like most kc bbq places, are very inconsistent. 
the one exception to that rule is jack stack.  they are consistently good to great. and have the widest range of good stuff.  meaning, their strength doesn't just lie in their ribs, or their brisket, or their beans.  they do it all well, including their sides.

i got some burnt ends the other day from LCs that i wouldn't serve to a dog.

but KC style bbq is what the national food pundits declare the best in the country.  not a particular place.  part of the reason for that is because like jack stack, we don't do just pork, or just ribs, or just brisket.  we do it all, and on top of that, we invented burnt ends.  yes i realize that you can get ribs in texas.  but the reality is, is that texas does brisket.  carolina does pork, memphis does terrible dry ribs. 

kc has more bbq locations per-capita than anywhere else and we eat a lot of it.