Post by: nicname on September 01, 2010, 04:32:38 PM
Post by: ben ji on September 01, 2010, 05:06:41 PM
Post by: Scary Smart on September 01, 2010, 05:37:50 PM
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Construction of the biodefense laboratory in Manhattan, Kansas, is “the most important economic development event in Kansas since railroads crossed the length of the state, some observers opine. Jon Wefald, president of Kansas State University, notes that Manhattan’s population could double in 15 years as Kansas State and the city “are poised to become the epicenter of a Silicon Valley of animal health for this state, America, and the world.” He anticipates that the center will “draw hundreds of animal-health and food-safety researchers worldwide” and will “present a huge gravitational pull” for “companies to line up offices and plants along a research corridor stretching east to Kansas City and all the way to Columbia, Missouri.” Wefald continued, “This event will go down in our state’s history as one of Kansas’ finest hours—period. Amen and goodnight.”
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=574
Post by: hemmy on September 01, 2010, 08:27:56 PM
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on September 01, 2010, 09:18:09 PM
He's so incredibly stupid.
Post by: 06wildcat on September 01, 2010, 10:00:26 PM
Post by: TBL on September 01, 2010, 10:24:56 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 01, 2010, 10:52:30 PM
Of course if you listen to people like my brother a science degree nerdy type . . . the NBAF is going to kill all living things within 6 years anyway.
Post by: The42Yardstick on September 01, 2010, 10:57:18 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 02, 2010, 12:28:07 AM
Anything Wefald says = :facepalm:
He's so incredibly stupid.
He's a lot of things, this he absolutely is not
an enormous egomaniac bordering on megalomania yep, stupid, no
Post by: wabash909 on September 02, 2010, 07:33:53 AM
In terms of people, I'm not sure. But in terms of academic benefit, I think it could be a big factor in KSU's push to get to Tier 1. This is the type of place that will help pump out some high-quality doctorates...
A lot of locals are also hoping this could be the deciding factor that finally brings us a Red Lobster.
Post by: steve dave on September 02, 2010, 07:48:58 AM
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
Post by: wabash909 on September 02, 2010, 08:54:52 AM
It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
The Red Lobster is very important for our status as a big time city. Plus, with all of these people with high paying people coming to town they are going to need a good place to eat, entertain, "do business", etc. Red Lobster.
Hearing rumblings we might be getting some form of bus service as well. Thanks again, NBAF.
Post by: michigancat on September 02, 2010, 09:05:48 AM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on September 02, 2010, 09:06:25 AM
It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
The Red Lobster is very important for our status as a big time city. Plus, with all of these people with high paying people coming to town they are going to need a good place to eat, entertain, "do business", etc. Red Lobster.
Hearing rumblings we might be getting some form of bus service as well. Thanks again, NBAF.
I understand Reb Lobster is "big time", but can we opt for a Joe's Crab Shack instead?
Post by: pissclams on September 02, 2010, 09:13:15 AM
Post by: CNS on September 02, 2010, 09:21:56 AM
The description I heard regarding how this will increase the pop is due to other companies that will be coming in to be near to NBAF. About a year ago, the city had reported a decent amount of other companies that had opened discussions with both Manhattan and Junk City about moving their companies there, contingent upon the NBAF approval. Lots of labs that work on stuff directly related to what the NBAF does, to the point that proximity is important.
Post by: CNS on September 02, 2010, 09:22:44 AM
i was in the mood for crab one time so i stopped by the bitchin joe's crab shack in Olathe. i sat down and looked at the menu. that place is a joke. didn't even order.
this.
Fracking hate that place.
Some of the food is ok, but not worth the annoying people or the prices.
Post by: The42Yardstick on September 02, 2010, 09:31:49 AM
Post by: The42Yardstick on September 02, 2010, 09:32:47 AM
In terms of people, I'm not sure. But in terms of academic benefit, I think it could be a big factor in KSU's push to get to Tier 1. This is the type of place that will help pump out some high-quality doctorates...
A lot of locals are also hoping this could be the deciding factor that finally brings us a Red Lobster.
Their biscuits are much more important than PhD's
Post by: mcmwcat on September 02, 2010, 10:19:26 AM
Love those Red Lob biscuits.
god yes. my wife introduced these to me. probably the biggest reason to ever go to the RL
Post by: CNS on September 02, 2010, 10:28:24 AM
Make them at home. yes, they are the same and are good.
Never have to go to RL again.
Your welcome.
Post by: wabash909 on September 02, 2010, 11:03:31 AM
It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
The Red Lobster is very important for our status as a big time city. Plus, with all of these people with high paying people coming to town they are going to need a good place to eat, entertain, "do business", etc. Red Lobster.
Hearing rumblings we might be getting some form of bus service as well. Thanks again, NBAF.
I understand Reb Lobster is "big time", but can we opt for a Joe's Crab Shack instead?
Let's stick with Red Lobster.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2010, 11:08:53 AM
Post by: Paul Moscow on September 02, 2010, 11:24:19 AM
Not that Weefer is the most reliable source or anything, but there's this:QuoteConstruction of the biodefense laboratory in Manhattan, Kansas, is “the most important economic development event in Kansas since railroads crossed the length of the state, some observers opine. Jon Wefald, president of Kansas State University, notes that Manhattan’s population could double in 15 years as Kansas State and the city “are poised to become the epicenter of a Silicon Valley of animal health for this state, America, and the world.” He anticipates that the center will “draw hundreds of animal-health and food-safety researchers worldwide” and will “present a huge gravitational pull” for “companies to line up offices and plants along a research corridor stretching east to Kansas City and all the way to Columbia, Missouri.” Wefald continued, “This event will go down in our state’s history as one of Kansas’ finest hours—period. Amen and goodnight.”
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=574
:lol:
He really said this? Amen and goodnight? hahaha
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2010, 11:54:32 AM
This thing is going to take 5 to 7 years to build and have the "Shake down" minimum. It took nearly 2 years to get Pat Roberts Hall to a point the gubment would allow significant research activity.
Post by: Skipper44 on September 02, 2010, 12:25:41 PM
Not that Weefer is the most reliable source or anything, but there's this:QuoteConstruction of the biodefense laboratory in Manhattan, Kansas, is “the most important economic development event in Kansas since railroads crossed the length of the state, some observers opine. Jon Wefald, president of Kansas State University, notes that Manhattan’s population could double in 15 years as Kansas State and the city “are poised to become the epicenter of a Silicon Valley of animal health for this state, America, and the world.” He anticipates that the center will “draw hundreds of animal-health and food-safety researchers worldwide” and will “present a huge gravitational pull” for “companies to line up offices and plants along a research corridor stretching east to Kansas City and all the way to Columbia, Missouri.” Wefald continued, “This event will go down in our state’s history as one of Kansas’ finest hours—period. Amen and goodnight.”
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=574
:lol:
He really said this? Amen and goodnight? hahaha
Thought the same thing. I am now realizing I really miss this type of thing from the Weefer, Schultz just does not compete - Olive Garden excepted
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2010, 07:34:28 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 04, 2010, 07:56:11 AM
Post by: treysolid on September 04, 2010, 01:22:38 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.k-state.edu%2Fmedia%2Fnbaf%2FNBAFaerial.jpg&hash=a94c7b8dada84a05fd7426a18c96381abccfd5e3)
that's very sexy.
Post by: ChiComCat on September 04, 2010, 11:30:58 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 05, 2010, 09:45:55 AM
Seems like a lot of walking :dunno:
All employees will have a Segway.
Post by: Scary Smart on September 05, 2010, 04:58:08 PM
How about a Gap too?
Already have one in the mall, bro.
Post by: steve dave on September 05, 2010, 05:53:24 PM
Post by: Pete on September 05, 2010, 05:54:19 PM
It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
The Red Lobster is very important for our status as a big time city. Plus, with all of these people with high paying people coming to town they are going to need a good place to eat, entertain, "do business", etc. Red Lobster.
Hearing rumblings we might be getting some form of bus service as well. Thanks again, NBAF.
I hope we get it before April, so I can nail down prom ressies.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 05, 2010, 06:22:21 PM
It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
The Red Lobster is very important for our status as a big time city. Plus, with all of these people with high paying people coming to town they are going to need a good place to eat, entertain, "do business", etc. Red Lobster.
Hearing rumblings we might be getting some form of bus service as well. Thanks again, NBAF.
I hope we get it before April, so I can nail down prom ressies.
Can I sit with you. Think I will ask Taylor L. I have 2 classes with her and she was definitely checking me out....
Post by: newhere on September 08, 2010, 11:01:29 PM
Post by: pissclams on September 08, 2010, 11:15:05 PM
Please confirm for me that the Red Lobster envy is a joke. I was a student at K-State in the early 90's but haven't been back to Manhattan in about 16 years. I am planning a return trip next month and was hoping to find some good places to eat with my entourage. I would be seriously alarmed to find out that a bad chain restaurant is considered fine dining in Manhattan in the year 2010.The Red Lobster was forced to close down. Everyone in town flooded the doors and wouldn't leave the place, staying in the dining room until hours past close every night- eating and eating, and eating, and eating... Ask anyone from MHK what's the best food in town and the surefire answer is Red Lobster. The staff couldn't handle the demand for food that MHK put on the restaurant.
Construction on the Platinum Lobster is expected to be complete by mid-November.
Post by: pike on September 09, 2010, 12:33:11 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 09, 2010, 04:29:22 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.k-state.edu%2Fmedia%2Fnbaf%2FNBAFaerial.jpg&hash=a94c7b8dada84a05fd7426a18c96381abccfd5e3)
do you have a link to that? or more info/designs??
Post by: CNS on September 09, 2010, 04:33:12 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.k-state.edu%2Fmedia%2Fnbaf%2FNBAFaerial.jpg&hash=a94c7b8dada84a05fd7426a18c96381abccfd5e3)
do you have a link to that? or more info/designs??
Looks like someone is getting a swimming pool. :pbj:
Post by: Havs on September 10, 2010, 12:26:19 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 10, 2010, 12:27:11 AM
Post by: Benja on September 10, 2010, 12:55:00 AM
Anything Wefald says = :facepalm:
He's so incredibly stupid.
You're honestly a bitch for saying that. Yes Wefald stayed on too long and got too old... anyone who knew him knew K-State was his life. He's a bigger k-stater than any of us and has done more for the university than we will ever know.
Post by: jtksu on September 10, 2010, 02:01:07 AM
Post by: jtksu on September 10, 2010, 02:04:08 AM
Post by: steve dave on September 10, 2010, 07:19:22 AM
Please confirm for me that the Red Lobster envy is a joke. I was a student at K-State in the early 90's but haven't been back to Manhattan in about 16 years. I am planning a return trip next month and was hoping to find some good places to eat with my entourage. I would be seriously alarmed to find out that a bad chain restaurant is considered fine dining in Manhattan in the year 2010.
I'll never understand these Joe's Crab Shack summercats :rolleyes:
Post by: jtksu on September 10, 2010, 08:22:31 AM
Post by: bonercat on September 10, 2010, 09:38:48 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 06, 2010, 01:14:43 PM
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In the next few weeks, Richardson says officials are waiting for the release of a National Academies report on conducting foot-and-mouth disease research on the mainland of the United States. He's confident the findings will support relocation of the laboratory to Kansas.
http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm/Veterinary+news/Construction-to-begin-on-premier-veterinary-lab/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/686925?contextCategoryId=378
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on October 06, 2010, 01:59:33 PM
Anything Wefald says = :facepalm:
He's so incredibly stupid.
You're honestly a bitch for saying that. Yes Wefald stayed on too long and got too old... anyone who knew him knew K-State was his life. He's a bigger k-stater than any of us and has done more for the university than we will ever know.
Hey, it's great that he made K-State his life, but in many peoples' opinions Wefald held the university back from becoming even better. I have no doubt Wefald tried as hard as he could, but given his limited mental capacity, he was not suited to the job. KSU should have kicked him to the curb long ago.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 18, 2010, 10:17:38 AM
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Dial Realty is asking the Planning Board to amend the Final Development Plan for Lot 1 to allow Dick’s Sporting Goods to increase its floor area.
Seems like Manhattan's Dick's will be that much bigger. :gocho:
http://www.1350kman.com/news/?p=5527
Post by: steve dave on October 18, 2010, 11:45:01 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 18, 2010, 11:57:43 AM
Have we discussed the Hilton Garden Inn and conference center coming?
this beauty??
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ci.manhattan.ks.us%2Fimages%2Fpages%2FN1396%2F%2F3rd%2520Street%2520-%2520Overall_thumb.jpg&hash=1943e690b1afa6652e488ed19b56a81ae368dffb)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ci.manhattan.ks.us%2Fimages%2Fpages%2FN1396%2F%2F3rd%2520Street%2520-%2520Sidewalk.jpg&hash=1380907999f468f2ba64194d370482c9b69fe445)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ci.manhattan.ks.us%2Fimages%2Fpages%2FN1396%2F%2F4th%2520Street%2520-%2520Overall.jpg&hash=1b60346b7a7b6e50bfbd77870d810c9352473657)
Post by: CNS on October 18, 2010, 11:59:59 AM
Like, Town Center nice.
Post by: steve dave on October 18, 2010, 12:00:30 PM
Post by: ew2x4 on October 18, 2010, 12:05:14 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 18, 2010, 12:14:05 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ci.manhattan.ks.us%2Fimages%2Fpages%2FN1396%2F%2FManhattan%2520Kansas%28Jennifer-wu%291%255B4%255D.jpg&hash=e238276d6055bfb92ee3d62712e70b3b6bae3a14)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ci.manhattan.ks.us%2Fimages%2Fpages%2FN1396%2F%2FManhattan%2520Kansas%28Jennifer-wu%292%255B4%255D.jpg&hash=3a080bfdaac24f9d8aa41b7ff83cd40ceb62e7e9)
Post by: ArchE_Cat on October 18, 2010, 02:31:43 PM
QuoteDial Realty is asking the Planning Board to amend the Final Development Plan for Lot 1 to allow Dick’s Sporting Goods to increase its floor area.
Seems like Manhattan's Dick's will be that much bigger. :gocho:
http://www.1350kman.com/news/?p=5527
"The Little Apple....we have a bigger Dick's" :horrorsurprise:
Post by: ArchE_Cat on October 18, 2010, 02:34:21 PM
That is a nice looking strip mall.
Like, Town Center nice.
The townies are are going crap themselves with all that EIFS and brick :lol:
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on October 18, 2010, 03:11:18 PM
Strip malls and giant parking lots? What a dream come true! :flush:
Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2010, 03:22:38 PM
Have we discussed the Hilton Garden Inn and conference center coming?
this beauty??
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ci.manhattan.ks.us%2Fimages%2Fpages%2FN1396%2F%2F3rd%2520Street%2520-%2520Sidewalk.jpg&hash=1380907999f468f2ba64194d370482c9b69fe445)
They seem to have grandiose expectations for the foot traffic a hotel will provide
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 18, 2010, 03:42:45 PM
The town totally blew it with the downtown redevelopment.
Strip malls and giant parking lots? What a dream come true! :flush:
blew it a long time before all this new stuff.
mtc= :flush:
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 18, 2010, 06:43:07 PM
The town totally blew it with the downtown redevelopment.
Strip malls and giant parking lots? What a dream come true! :flush:
blew it a long time before all this new stuff.
mtc= :flush:
please explain for those of us too young to know/care. tia
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 02, 2010, 01:15:14 PM
http://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/locator/stateResults.asp?Abbreviation=KS
Post by: pissclams on November 02, 2010, 01:22:46 PM
So is Longhorn Steakhouse any good??
http://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/locator/stateResults.asp?Abbreviation=KS
well that all depends on who is managing it.
Post by: Pete on November 02, 2010, 01:27:43 PM
So is Longhorn Steakhouse any good??
http://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/locator/stateResults.asp?Abbreviation=KS
well that all depends on who is managing it.
Dear Lord,
I don't ask for much, but if you see to it to have T.Brew transferred to Manhattan, you'd have my thanks.
Amen
Post by: steve dave on November 02, 2010, 02:03:04 PM
So is Longhorn Steakhouse any good??
http://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/locator/stateResults.asp?Abbreviation=KS
well that all depends on who is managing it.
Dear Lord,
I don't ask for much, but if you see to it to have T.Brew transferred to Manhattan, you'd have my thanks.
Amen
OMG, NEW PAK HEADQUARTERS (assuming his transfer)
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 02, 2010, 02:20:25 PM
The town totally blew it with the downtown redevelopment.
Strip malls and giant parking lots? What a dream come true! :flush:
blew it a long time before all this new stuff.
mtc= :flush:
please explain for those of us too young to know/care. tia
the downtown area of manhattan used to be twice as large and filled with small businesses before they bulldozed it twenty five years ago and built a lame mall filled with lame chain stores and a gross food court. cool historical buildings and a possible unique shopping area? no thanks, we'll take the sunglass hut and mastercuts. :goodbyecruelworld:
Post by: 06wildcat on November 02, 2010, 03:52:07 PM
The town totally blew it with the downtown redevelopment.
Strip malls and giant parking lots? What a dream come true! :flush:
blew it a long time before all this new stuff.
mtc= :flush:
please explain for those of us too young to know/care. tia
the downtown area of manhattan used to be twice as large and filled with small businesses before they bulldozed it twenty five years ago and built a lame mall filled with lame chain stores and a gross food court. cool historical buildings and a possible unique shopping area? no thanks, we'll take the sunglass hut and mastercuts. :goodbyecruelworld:
How elite would it be to live in lofts in 120-plus year old building be on Poyntz?
Post by: 06wildcat on November 15, 2010, 11:37:58 AM
Post by: bonercat on November 15, 2010, 11:38:40 AM
Post by: Paul Moscow on November 15, 2010, 11:40:50 AM
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New report highlights risk of Kansas biodefense lab
The federal government has seriously underestimated the risk that a new federal lab in Manhattan, Kan., could accidentally release dangerous pathogens like foot-and-mouth disease, according to a scientific assessment released this morning.
The report, conducted by the National Research Council, predicts that there is a better than 70 percent chance of an accidental release of a contagious animal disease within 50 years at the National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility planned for Manhattan.
In addition, it found “several major shortcomings” in an early U.S. Department of Homeland Security Assessment.
The federal government selected Kansas to host the $650 million lab, which will study foreign animal diseases and replace an aging lab on Plum Island, N.Y.
Some of the diseases can infect humans. Others pose threats to the nation’s agricultural economy. Congress voted to withhold construction funds for the project until concerns about the lab’s safety were studied.
Based on today’s report, those concerns are far from addressed.
“Building a facility that is capable of large animal work on a scale greater than other high-containment laboratories presents new and unknown risks that could not be accounted for in the DHS risk assessment because of a lack of data and experience,” said Ronald Atlas, chair of the committee that wrote today’s report.
Atlas is a professor of biology and public health and co-director of the Center for Health Preparedness at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.
The report, which was requested by Congress, faulted the earlier Homeland Security study for failing to grasp the risk of an accidental leak of foot-and-mouth disease, or how much damage such a leak could create. The report notes that “roughly 9.5 percent of the U.S. cattle inventory lies within a 200-mile radius of the facility. Given that the disease is highly contagious and that the chance of its escape is not zero, rigorous and robust regional and national mitigation strategies that address an extensive outbreak … are needed before the facility opens.”
The earlier Homeland Security report estimated the economic losses from a possible foot-and-mouth outbreak at $9 billion to $50 billion, but today’s report says the actual amount could be “significantly higher.”
Post by: steve dave on November 15, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on November 15, 2010, 12:05:33 PM
Post by: felix rex on November 15, 2010, 12:09:33 PM
Everyone just bathe in Ivomac-Pour-On every day and you'll have nothing to worry about (< hick joke from hick school graduate sd)
I can't wait until the athletic sponsorships from all of new, rich tenants start flooding in. It'll be just like the good ol' days of the Draxxin Halftime Report.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 15, 2010, 12:45:05 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 15, 2010, 01:12:50 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 15, 2010, 01:14:38 PM
Study has been released. They should just put the lab in a big bubble. And then over that bubble put another, larger bubble.QuoteNew report highlights risk of Kansas biodefense lab
The federal government has seriously underestimated the risk that a new federal lab in Manhattan, Kan., could accidentally release dangerous pathogens like foot-and-mouth disease, according to a scientific assessment released this morning.
The report, conducted by the National Research Council, predicts that there is a better than 70 percent chance of an accidental release of a contagious animal disease within 50 years at the National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility planned for Manhattan.
In addition, it found “several major shortcomings” in an early U.S. Department of Homeland Security Assessment.
The federal government selected Kansas to host the $650 million lab, which will study foreign animal diseases and replace an aging lab on Plum Island, N.Y.
Some of the diseases can infect humans. Others pose threats to the nation’s agricultural economy. Congress voted to withhold construction funds for the project until concerns about the lab’s safety were studied.
Based on today’s report, those concerns are far from addressed.
“Building a facility that is capable of large animal work on a scale greater than other high-containment laboratories presents new and unknown risks that could not be accounted for in the DHS risk assessment because of a lack of data and experience,” said Ronald Atlas, chair of the committee that wrote today’s report.
Atlas is a professor of biology and public health and co-director of the Center for Health Preparedness at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.
The report, which was requested by Congress, faulted the earlier Homeland Security study for failing to grasp the risk of an accidental leak of foot-and-mouth disease, or how much damage such a leak could create. The report notes that “roughly 9.5 percent of the U.S. cattle inventory lies within a 200-mile radius of the facility. Given that the disease is highly contagious and that the chance of its escape is not zero, rigorous and robust regional and national mitigation strategies that address an extensive outbreak … are needed before the facility opens.”
The earlier Homeland Security report estimated the economic losses from a possible foot-and-mouth outbreak at $9 billion to $50 billion, but today’s report says the actual amount could be “significantly higher.”
Obviously released by the Greater San Antonio Chamber of Commerce.
Post by: Ira Hayes on November 15, 2010, 01:24:03 PM
Study has been released. They should just put the lab in a big bubble. And then over that bubble put another, larger bubble.QuoteNew report highlights risk of Kansas biodefense lab
The federal government has seriously underestimated the risk that a new federal lab in Manhattan, Kan., could accidentally release dangerous pathogens like foot-and-mouth disease, according to a scientific assessment released this morning.
The report, conducted by the National Research Council, predicts that there is a better than 70 percent chance of an accidental release of a contagious animal disease within 50 years at the National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility planned for Manhattan.
In addition, it found “several major shortcomings” in an early U.S. Department of Homeland Security Assessment.
The federal government selected Kansas to host the $650 million lab, which will study foreign animal diseases and replace an aging lab on Plum Island, N.Y.
Some of the diseases can infect humans. Others pose threats to the nation’s agricultural economy. Congress voted to withhold construction funds for the project until concerns about the lab’s safety were studied.
Based on today’s report, those concerns are far from addressed.
“Building a facility that is capable of large animal work on a scale greater than other high-containment laboratories presents new and unknown risks that could not be accounted for in the DHS risk assessment because of a lack of data and experience,” said Ronald Atlas, chair of the committee that wrote today’s report.
Atlas is a professor of biology and public health and co-director of the Center for Health Preparedness at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.
The report, which was requested by Congress, faulted the earlier Homeland Security study for failing to grasp the risk of an accidental leak of foot-and-mouth disease, or how much damage such a leak could create. The report notes that “roughly 9.5 percent of the U.S. cattle inventory lies within a 200-mile radius of the facility. Given that the disease is highly contagious and that the chance of its escape is not zero, rigorous and robust regional and national mitigation strategies that address an extensive outbreak … are needed before the facility opens.”
The earlier Homeland Security report estimated the economic losses from a possible foot-and-mouth outbreak at $9 billion to $50 billion, but today’s report says the actual amount could be “significantly higher.”
You don't eff with Rick Pitino and get away with it.
Will Angel Rodriguez be worth the cost? :bball:
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2010, 01:28:59 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on November 15, 2010, 04:03:15 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 15, 2010, 04:07:46 PM
Post by: fatty fat fat on November 15, 2010, 04:22:36 PM
manhattan republicans rejoice
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 15, 2010, 04:24:17 PM
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2010, 04:25:19 PM
Post by: EllToPay on November 15, 2010, 04:30:20 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 15, 2010, 05:05:30 PM
Post by: felix rex on November 15, 2010, 05:28:27 PM
Post by: Pittcat on November 15, 2010, 05:51:04 PM
The timing of this report coming just 2 weeks following the CTR beatdown is very suspicious.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 15, 2010, 07:14:02 PM
It's a good thing the CDC was built in a sparsely populated area too!:opcat:
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2010, 10:13:18 PM
Post by: jmlynch1 on November 15, 2010, 10:18:35 PM
Post by: jtksu on November 15, 2010, 11:13:15 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 16, 2010, 01:49:59 PM
Post by: CNS on November 16, 2010, 08:40:34 PM
Post by: Benja on November 16, 2010, 09:28:54 PM
Post by: 06wildcat on November 16, 2010, 09:44:15 PM
Most of the population of the country lives next to really scary dangerous stuff . . . You can write a report to conjure every possible scenario under the flying Spaghetti Monster sun.
Yes, but this is related to steak and bacon we're talking about Dax. I'm OK with regular people living near powerlines, runoff from open pit mines and nuclear waste dumps, but rough ridin' with my dinner plate isn't cool.
But yeah, this was essentially a review of a report compiled with no actual building designs available. This is a CYA for all congresscritters approving funding for the thing.
Post by: jtksu on November 16, 2010, 11:48:11 PM
Post by: pike on November 17, 2010, 12:39:16 AM
Post by: Pete on November 17, 2010, 01:06:29 AM
Here's the extent of my knowledge of hoof-and-mouth disease. The dude that used to own the Lou (Duane) told me one time that you could never reuse a pitcher before washing it or you will spread hoof-and-mouth. Duane drank a lot.
LOL, I loved Duane.
Seriously though, we need this agricultural time bomb if we expect to keep our Chicago flights.
Post by: KITNfury on November 17, 2010, 10:14:05 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 17, 2010, 10:15:24 AM
Or does this delay the start of the build?
Post by: steve dave on November 17, 2010, 10:33:39 AM
Post by: CNS on November 17, 2010, 10:46:41 AM
....and we still get our Chi flights.
Totally worth it.
Post by: Sugar Dick on November 17, 2010, 12:19:25 PM
1. nobody knows if this will keep the thing from getting built, or delay it for how long
2. nobody knows what hoof and mouth disease is
3. nobody knows how to make good hoof and mouth disease jokes
Basically, I don't anything more than I did 5 minutes ago :bawl:
Post by: CNS on November 17, 2010, 12:25:07 PM
What I've gathered from reading above:
1. nobody knows if this will keep the thing from getting built, or delay it for how long
2. nobody knows what hoof and mouth disease is
3. nobody knows how to make good hoof and mouth disease jokes
Basically, I don't anything more than I did 5 minutes ago :bawl:
Did you just make fun of a rebel bbs for not being educational enough?
Post by: Paul Moscow on November 17, 2010, 12:36:01 PM
What a nightmare.
Fell asleep reading that new report about risks of building that bio-defense lab on the K-State campus in Manhattan — and oh so close to the football stadium.
Woke up with this scary vision: 50,000 wild-eyed K-State fans streaming out after a game, having all breathed in highly contagious foot-and-mouth disease.
Mind you, humans can’t catch the disease, only farm animals.
But think of the risk to Wildcats fans’ significant others back home! :surprised:
Yes, a little joke there for KU fans in the audience. Now, we segue to the serious. According to the National Research Council, there really is a threat that football fans, students and researchers could carry home the highly contagious virus on their clothes and in their lungs should the disease escape from the proposed National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility.
Absent added safety precautions, the council rates the chance at 70 percent within 50 years, perhaps crippling the livestock industry and affecting the food supply.
This is the third study to warn of risks of building a facility that studies highly contagious livestock diseases such as foot-and-mouth in the midst of one of the most livestock-intensive regions of the country.
In 2008, the Government Accountability Office questioned whether the feds had sufficient evidence to prove “that food and mouth disease research can be done safely on the U.S. mainland” at all.
(It’s now done on an island off the New York coast.)
Naturally, area politicians pooh-poohed this latest report as they did the others. Intoxicated by the $650 million federal project, the state’s six-member congressional delegation all but shrugged off its findings:
“We are confident this facility will be the safest research laboratory in the world,” a joint statement said.
Remember last year when some of these same folks quivered at the thought of terror suspects being moved from Guantanamo to the military prison at Fort Leavenworth?
Among the reasons Sen. Pat Roberts gave for his opposition: that an island facility was less of a security threat than one smack in the Midwest at a “campus-style facility” like Fort Leavenworth.
Hey, but as for spending hundreds of millions moving a potentially risky research operation from an island to the middle of the country on an actual university campus, why worry?
Roberts, Sam Brownback and the rest are only too willing to set aside caution when the dollars are big enough. That and they worry Texas might steal the project.
Still, what’s wrong with a little caution? Unless you’d rather put your trust in politicians rather than scientists.
To reach Mike Hendricks, call 816-234-7708 or send e-mail to [email protected].
Posted on Tue, Nov. 16, 2010 11:16 PM
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/16/2441851/three-studies-warn-about-that.html#ixzz15Z9oCwEN
Post by: ew2x4 on November 17, 2010, 12:56:44 PM
Post by: felix rex on November 17, 2010, 01:45:39 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 17, 2010, 02:05:28 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on November 17, 2010, 04:08:09 PM
Post by: 06wildcat on November 17, 2010, 06:26:56 PM
This facility would have to be very shitty for there to actually be a 70% chance of a hoof and mouth outbreak over a 50 year period.
No, in DHS's original report it was estimated that the worst-case scenario of SOME disease being released over a span of 50 years is 70 percent. It COULD be foot and mouth disease, or any one of the myriad of other diseases that will be studied at the lab. A release is also defined as a disease leaving it's approved area, so it's entirely possible that a disease is "released" but never leaves the building or even the floor it's being studied on.
It was one of the things the NRC summary took completely out of context from the DHS's original report. Having read both, it's quite amusing to see the NRC summary essentially repeat what was in the DHS report in several instances but it's now really scary because the NRC omitted a lot of the reasons for why some of the report is incomplete.
It remains unknown what effect, if any, this will have on NBAF's time line in Manhattan. Even the stuff the NRC did get right isn't impossible to solve and really not all that expensive considering the building hasn't even been designed yet.
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 10:11:16 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 19, 2010, 10:14:08 AM
In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 19, 2010, 10:15:44 AM
This facility would have to be very shitty for there to actually be a 70% chance of a hoof and mouth outbreak over a 50 year period.
No, in DHS's original report it was estimated that the worst-case scenario of SOME disease being released over a span of 50 years is 70 percent. It COULD be foot and mouth disease, or any one of the myriad of other diseases that will be studied at the lab. A release is also defined as a disease leaving it's approved area, so it's entirely possible that a disease is "released" but never leaves the building or even the floor it's being studied on.
It was one of the things the NRC summary took completely out of context from the DHS's original report. Having read both, it's quite amusing to see the NRC summary essentially repeat what was in the DHS report in several instances but it's now really scary because the NRC omitted a lot of the reasons for why some of the report is incomplete.
It remains unknown what effect, if any, this will have on NBAF's time line in Manhattan. Even the stuff the NRC did get right isn't impossible to solve and really not all that expensive considering the building hasn't even been designed yet.
This is good to hear.
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 10:24:19 AM
In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 19, 2010, 10:26:29 AM
In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 19, 2010, 10:27:19 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 19, 2010, 10:29:49 AM
The fact of the matter is, in terms of NBAF, all the scare mongers are going to conjure up every possible scenario to keep it from being built. My brother, a biologist who lives near Manhattan is the same way. He rants on and on about the worst case scenario. The facts are, no matter where it is built, there's always the possibility of the "worst case scenario". I am every bit as wary of building something like this out in the middle of nowhere . . . middle of nowhere germ research has proven to be a real pain in the ass from a security standpoint, and I can cite several examples from around the world.
Well, maybe we should just build the facility on the ocean floor. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, right?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 19, 2010, 10:31:05 AM
The fact of the matter is, in terms of NBAF, all the scare mongers are going to conjure up every possible scenario to keep it from being built. My brother, a biologist who lives near Manhattan is the same way. He rants on and on about the worst case scenario. The facts are, no matter where it is built, there's always the possibility of the "worst case scenario". I am every bit as wary of building something like this out in the middle of nowhere . . . middle of nowhere germ research has proven to be a real pain in the ass from a security standpoint, and I can cite several examples from around the world.
Well, maybe we should just build the facility on the ocean floor. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, right?
On the moon :dunno:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 19, 2010, 10:32:07 AM
The fact of the matter is, in terms of NBAF, all the scare mongers are going to conjure up every possible scenario to keep it from being built. My brother, a biologist who lives near Manhattan is the same way. He rants on and on about the worst case scenario. The facts are, no matter where it is built, there's always the possibility of the "worst case scenario". I am every bit as wary of building something like this out in the middle of nowhere . . . middle of nowhere germ research has proven to be a real pain in the ass from a security standpoint, and I can cite several examples from around the world.
Well, maybe we should just build the facility on the ocean floor. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, right?
On the moon :dunno:
Now, that's just ridiculous.
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 10:33:02 AM
In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Not until you tell me if what you said it true. I've been rough ridin' pissed about that for years.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 19, 2010, 10:37:09 AM
In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Not until you tell me if what you said it true. I've been rough ridin' pissed about that for years.
What daris said makes more sense than what you said. The residents of Manhattan are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) enough to vote something like that down, but why would the government want to route I-70 through Manhattan? The whole point of the interstate system is to connect the country with relatively straight paths. It doesn't meander through other small towns, so why would they want to route it through Manhattan, KS?
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 10:39:30 AM
In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Not until you tell me if what you said it true. I've been rough ridin' pissed about that for years.
What daris said makes more sense than what you said. The residents of Manhattan are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) enough to vote something like that down, but why would the government want to route I-70 through Manhattan? The whole point of the interstate system is to connect the country with relatively straight paths. It doesn't meander through other small towns, so why would they want to route it through Manhattan, KS?
There's a major university and stuff here, why wouldn't they?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 19, 2010, 10:42:25 AM
In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Not until you tell me if what you said it true. I've been effing pissed about that for years.
What daris said makes more sense than what you said. The residents of Manhattan are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) enough to vote something like that down, but why would the government want to route I-70 through Manhattan? The whole point of the interstate system is to connect the country with relatively straight paths. It doesn't meander through other small towns, so why would they want to route it through Manhattan, KS?
There's a major university and stuff here, why wouldn't they?
politics
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 19, 2010, 10:42:51 AM
In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Not until you tell me if what you said it true. I've been rough ridin' pissed about that for years.
What daris said makes more sense than what you said. The residents of Manhattan are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) enough to vote something like that down, but why would the government want to route I-70 through Manhattan? The whole point of the interstate system is to connect the country with relatively straight paths. It doesn't meander through other small towns, so why would they want to route it through Manhattan, KS?
There's a major university and stuff here, why wouldn't they?
When I-70 was being built K-State had less than 7,000 students.
Post by: Panjandrum on November 19, 2010, 10:46:44 AM
Good thing there's no cattle in Texas.
So, why not put it in Puerto Rico? And I hear they aren't using Alcatraz any longer, so that's on the table, too.
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 11:01:34 AM
Post by: CNS on November 19, 2010, 11:09:45 AM
Post by: Sugar Dick on November 19, 2010, 11:25:05 AM
I thought interstates were all about military movement. Quick access country wide for response as needed. (was told this by some AF bigwig)
That would explain its proximity to Ft. Riley.
Who f*ckin' cares if you have to take a highway (that's also 4 lanes) other than I-70 to get into Manhattan. . . other than people that sell gas, food, and lodging, but who else???? I have a hard time believing any group of townsfolk is that stupid.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 19, 2010, 11:40:40 AM
Distinguished KSU professor just confirmed that I-70 was, in fact, voted down.
change distinguished to Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and you just might be on to something. i do not believe your source. make him give you his.
Post by: jtksu on November 19, 2010, 11:47:32 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 19, 2010, 11:57:06 AM
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 12:11:06 PM
Distinguished KSU professor just confirmed that I-70 was, in fact, voted down.
change distinguished to Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and you just might be on to something. i do not believe your source. make him give you his.
He was alive back then, so I think he's his own source.
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 12:12:14 PM
if mhk did vote I-70 down, it was like the smartest thing that the town has ever done. like ever.
I respect your ability to form passionate opinions about anything.
Post by: _33 on November 19, 2010, 12:15:01 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 19, 2010, 12:26:01 PM
if mhk did vote I-70 down, it was like the smartest thing that the town has ever done. like ever.
I respect your ability to form passionate opinions about anything.
thank you. i respect your ability to believe an undocumented statement as fact due to birthday of the source.
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 12:33:05 PM
if mhk did vote I-70 down, it was like the smartest thing that the town has ever done. like ever.
I respect your ability to form passionate opinions about anything.
thank you. i respect your ability to believe an undocumented statement as fact due to birthday of the source.
Yes, guy who was there or random internet dude (no offense), 'twas a tough decision.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 19, 2010, 12:33:57 PM
"but i'm 94 yrs old"
"oh. okay then."
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 12:39:01 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 19, 2010, 01:07:24 PM
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 01:20:03 PM
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 01:21:51 PM
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on November 19, 2010, 01:22:11 PM
FYI, the interstate follows exactly the old US-40 ("The National Road") through most of the rest of Kansas -- except that US-40 went through Manhattan. Tends to indicate some truth to Manhattan opting out.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 19, 2010, 01:23:47 PM
Post by: Benja on November 19, 2010, 01:32:46 PM
I've also always been told that the City Council fought against I-70 going through town. I'll be damned if I remember why.
Mostly to preserve that "small-town feel", from what I've heard.
Post by: CNS on November 19, 2010, 01:33:46 PM
I've also always been told that the City Council fought against I-70 going through town. I'll be damned if I remember why.
Mostly to preserve that "small-town feel", from what I've heard.
God Damn Them!
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 19, 2010, 01:42:12 PM
I've also always been told that the City Council fought against I-70 going through town. I'll be damned if I remember why.
FYI, the interstate follows exactly the old US-40 ("The National Road") through most of the rest of Kansas -- except that US-40 went through Manhattan. Tends to indicate some truth to Manhattan opting out.
us-40 also went through ellsworth. i guess they must've voted it down too.
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on November 19, 2010, 01:43:04 PM
I've also always been told that the City Council fought against I-70 going through town. I'll be damned if I remember why.
FYI, the interstate follows exactly the old US-40 ("The National Road") through most of the rest of Kansas -- except that US-40 went through Manhattan. Tends to indicate some truth to Manhattan opting out.
us-40 also went through ellsworth. i guess they must've voted it down too.
Guess so! :dunno:
Post by: jtksu on November 27, 2010, 12:35:20 AM
Post by: Cire on November 27, 2010, 01:11:22 AM
Post by: DQ12 on November 27, 2010, 01:25:09 AM
Not sure if this has been covered yet but I really don't want to re-read this entire thread. Anyhoos- That show with The Body Ventura, Conspiracy Theory is investigating the NBAF. Show just started but I've already seen BSFS and some other views of elite MHK. The show seems to be very much against moving the facility to MHK. (I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay).This show is hilarious fwiw.
Post by: jtksu on November 27, 2010, 01:37:41 AM
Post by: _33 on February 24, 2011, 11:49:08 AM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 24, 2011, 12:24:15 PM
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2011/02/14/national-bio-and-agro-defense-makes.html
Of course. I'm sure Kathleen is in his ear about it all the time.
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on February 24, 2011, 01:17:36 PM
So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Post by: _33 on February 24, 2011, 01:19:32 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.bizjournals.com%2Fkansascity%2Fnews%2FNBAFRenderingNEW.jpg%3Fv%3D1&hash=86383360df9cbed70b2ca0242b8e1536ac08d410)
So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
omg...amazing rendering.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 24, 2011, 01:24:08 PM
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on February 24, 2011, 01:25:27 PM
That looks like an incredible summer night in MHK. Want to be there.
I know, right? Are those grass clippings on the sidewalk? You can almost smell them. And it looks like the scientists are enjoying Manhattan.
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2011, 01:27:36 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 24, 2011, 01:31:38 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on February 24, 2011, 01:45:34 PM
I want to work there :horrorsurprise:
I want to live there
Post by: ew2x4 on February 24, 2011, 01:46:41 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 24, 2011, 01:47:31 PM
I've seen some other renderings from it that are pretty nice as well.
any that have a link??
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 24, 2011, 02:05:24 PM
I've seen some other renderings from it that are pretty nice as well.
any that have a link??
FWIW, the building is looking better with each updated rendering.
Post by: EMAWgeddon on February 24, 2011, 05:29:41 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.bizjournals.com%2Fkansascity%2Fnews%2FNBAFRenderingNEW.jpg%3Fv%3D1&hash=86383360df9cbed70b2ca0242b8e1536ac08d410)
So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Why is the guy on the right running?
Post by: CNS on February 24, 2011, 05:31:15 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.bizjournals.com%2Fkansascity%2Fnews%2FNBAFRenderingNEW.jpg%3Fv%3D1&hash=86383360df9cbed70b2ca0242b8e1536ac08d410)
So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Why is the guy on the right running?
Emergency Evacuation.
Post by: pissclams on February 24, 2011, 10:28:22 PM
Post by: ew2x4 on February 24, 2011, 10:35:04 PM
I've seen some other renderings from it that are pretty nice as well.
any that have a link??
pretty sure they were for internal use. You'll most likely see them all once the funding goes through.
Post by: chunkles on February 24, 2011, 11:42:03 PM
this is a remarkable render. I would like to see a full res version. Loose leaves on the ground - JFC, nobody does this.(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.bizjournals.com%2Fkansascity%2Fnews%2FNBAFRenderingNEW.jpg%3Fv%3D1&hash=86383360df9cbed70b2ca0242b8e1536ac08d410)
So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Why is the guy on the right running?
Emergency Evacuation.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 25, 2011, 07:28:58 AM
Post by: Cire on February 25, 2011, 08:12:49 AM
I just want to lay in that effing grass.
and bury my nose in it and take a giant breath.
Post by: wabash909 on February 25, 2011, 09:31:17 AM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.bizjournals.com%2Fkansascity%2Fnews%2FNBAFRenderingNEW.jpg%3Fv%3D1&hash=86383360df9cbed70b2ca0242b8e1536ac08d410)
So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Why is the guy on the right running?
Terrorist.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2011, 09:32:29 AM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.bizjournals.com%2Fkansascity%2Fnews%2FNBAFRenderingNEW.jpg%3Fv%3D1&hash=86383360df9cbed70b2ca0242b8e1536ac08d410)
So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Why is the guy on the right running?
Terrorist.
lol
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2011, 11:31:23 AM
I just want to lay in that effing grass.
and bury my nose in it and take a giant breath.
. . . and let the various virulent disease residues in the grass frolic amongst my nose hairs.
My brother the Biologist has already informed me of the "Dustin Hoffman in a Bio Hazard suit" scenarios involved with NBAF.
Post by: 0.42 on February 25, 2011, 12:19:21 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 06, 2011, 09:04:49 AM
Post by: jtksu on April 06, 2011, 09:07:05 AM
Post by: steve dave on April 06, 2011, 09:07:26 AM
soo.. Noodles and Company?? any good?
mrs. dave eats there, like, once a week. likes the thai salad. why you would go to a noodle place and get a salad is not a question I'm qualified to answer.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 06, 2011, 09:18:30 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 06, 2011, 10:29:14 AM
soo.. Noodles and Company?? any good?
that place sucks ass. i've been twice. both times were garbage. i went the second time thinking that i must have gotten the wrong thing the first time so i ordered something different. complete, total, garbage.
i'd rather eat the slop that weird robert's wife cooks in a crock pot then eat at noodles and company. :flush:
Post by: steve dave on April 14, 2011, 07:26:36 PM
HUGE victory for NBAF today - $40M in federal budget to build the central utility plant - big thanks to our KS delegation! #KState
:excited:
Post by: Tobias on April 14, 2011, 07:38:24 PM
kstate_pres Kirk H. Schulz
HUGE victory for NBAF today - $40M in federal budget to build the central utility plant - big thanks to our KS delegation! #KState
:excited:
does this $40M include the lazy river switching station for the junction-manhattan area rapid transit?
Post by: CNS on April 15, 2011, 09:13:40 AM
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kstate_pres Kirk H. Schulz
by austin_meek
A $5M gift commitment to Kansas State and $40M commitment for NBAF - not a bad week at all to be a Wildcat! #KState #Purplepride
:surprised:
Post by: wiley on April 15, 2011, 09:30:21 AM
Post by: steve dave on April 15, 2011, 09:51:55 AM
Post by: wetwillie on June 24, 2011, 04:33:14 PM
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A housing shortage is prompting Kansas State to pay returning students to give up their dorm rooms and live off campus. The university is offering students with approved dormitory contracts $1,000 if they agree to live somewhere else.
Pat Bosco, vice president of student life at Kansas State, says the school is expecting record enrollment and wants to ensure adequate on-campus housing for incoming freshmen
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The school expects to pass last year's record enrollment of 25,581
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Reporter Guy: Kirk how many students are you expecting to enroll this year?
Kirk: What was the largest enrollment in the country last year?
Reporter Guy: 58,371 at ASU
Kirk: 58,372 :kstategrad:
Post by: Cire on June 26, 2011, 03:46:15 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 26, 2011, 11:23:27 PM
:kstategrad:
Post by: jtksu on June 27, 2011, 01:35:59 AM
Post by: j-von on June 27, 2011, 01:58:37 AM
Wait, we are giving a G to returning students because the whole country is beating down our door to attend EMAWU?
:kstategrad:
Stonestreet effect. reelin em'
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 09, 2012, 03:40:59 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 09, 2012, 03:45:02 PM
Rumblings that NBAF is mumped.
there was a pretty big article in the merc yesterday. i'm not sure what to think. far away from a done deal though.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 09, 2012, 03:46:52 PM
Rumblings that NBAF is mumped.
there was a pretty big article in the merc yesterday. i'm not sure what to think. far away from a done deal though.
Can we blame it on Snyder and/or his recruiting in anyway?
Post by: CNS on February 09, 2012, 03:49:35 PM
Rumblings that NBAF is mumped.
Wasn't there some big hearing this or last week in DC on this? Iirc it was about the safety issue again dealing with nat disasters and how many were pushing for it to be back on an island.
I remember hearing about the hearing coming up, but never anything about the outcome.
Ultimate KITN for Manhattan if true.
I bet tmcats is thrilled
Post by: ben ji on February 09, 2012, 03:58:25 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 13, 2012, 01:24:34 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/AP15f3f45536844b83a5ffdf71e9124ba8.html
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 13, 2012, 01:33:21 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 13, 2012, 01:34:17 PM
Post by: O-town Kat on February 13, 2012, 01:38:05 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 13, 2012, 01:38:40 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 13, 2012, 01:39:32 PM
That entire corner is cursed
had this conversation with my wife while driving past this weekend.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 13, 2012, 01:44:24 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 13, 2012, 01:45:32 PM
Guess the townies freaking out about the germ lab can breath a sigh of relief.
:curse:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 13, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 13, 2012, 01:49:36 PM
that's too bad. def not a done deal either way which is also sad. oh well, at least they built the wall around it. they can't take that away from us.
no kidding. what a joke.
Post by: Panjandrum on February 13, 2012, 01:49:54 PM
I can't wait to hear from Manhattan area NBAF supporters who happen to be republicans and/or tea partiers who have spent the last three years screaming for spending cuts.
That was my first thought.
Post by: _33 on February 13, 2012, 02:00:41 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2012, 02:00:48 PM
In a gov absolutely buried in debt we can't get a pork barrel project?
I'm not even sure if this qualifies as a pork barrel project. It's pretty important.
Post by: DQ12 on February 13, 2012, 02:01:33 PM
This is devastating. NBAF was our only chance to become something more than we are.Those AA flights were fun while they lasted.
Post by: CNS on February 13, 2012, 02:10:51 PM
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2012, 02:16:25 PM
Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
I don't want to get too political in the Personal Development Forum, but I'd put his chances of reelection at about 90% despite all that.
Post by: michigancat on February 13, 2012, 02:17:07 PM
Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
Pretty sure 2 of those first 3 are victories! No to government pork for Kansas! :AA:
Post by: steve dave on February 13, 2012, 02:18:38 PM
Post by: CNS on February 13, 2012, 02:19:49 PM
Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
I don't want to get too political in the Personal Development Forum, but I'd put his chances of reelection at about 90% despite all that.
Bro, who do you think has their sights on the pres race in 2016?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2012, 02:24:23 PM
Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
I don't want to get too political in the Personal Development Forum, but I'd put his chances of reelection at about 90% despite all that.
Bro, who do you think has their sights on the pres race in 2016?
I wouldn't be surprised if he were to run for president, but that's not going to stop him from running for a second term as governor in 2014.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 13, 2012, 02:40:23 PM
Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
I don't want to get too political in the Personal Development Forum, but I'd put his chances of reelection at about 90% despite all that.
Bro, who do you think has their sights on the pres race in 2016?
If he ever pulls out the "I said no to government spending in the form of NBAF" I will absolutely7 freak out.
Post by: Panjandrum on February 13, 2012, 02:54:40 PM
Post by: Panjandrum on February 13, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
<political>
This is what happens when you elect a moron that goes on national television and says they don't believe in evolution.
</political>
Post by: jmlynch1 on February 13, 2012, 03:00:27 PM
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on February 13, 2012, 03:03:32 PM
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:cry:
Post by: jmlynch1 on February 13, 2012, 03:05:04 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 13, 2012, 03:06:22 PM
Post by: CNS on February 13, 2012, 03:07:39 PM
Well, maybe in a few more (a lot more) years when/if the government has more dollars to play with, we'll have another chance.
By then Texas will have done Texasthings and wormed their way into it being located there.
Post by: Panjandrum on February 13, 2012, 03:08:43 PM
Well, maybe in a few more (a lot more) years when/if the government has more dollars to play with, we'll have another chance.
By then Texas will have done Texasthings and wormed their way into it being located there.
This.
Post by: steve dave on February 13, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
Right now we have to all pray for a bio terrorist attack. Pray as hard as you can to whoever/whatever you can EMAWs. :pray:
Dear President Ahmadinejad . . .
Post by: O-town Kat on February 13, 2012, 03:21:20 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 13, 2012, 03:22:09 PM
Post by: _33 on February 13, 2012, 03:34:36 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 13, 2012, 03:35:41 PM
Guys, this isn't something to joke about. This is horrible news.
humor is my defense mechanism of choice. that and alcohol.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2012, 03:41:06 PM
Guys, this isn't something to joke about. This is horrible news.
Yeah, this is way worse than any loss in sports. :frown:
Post by: mocat on February 13, 2012, 03:41:46 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 13, 2012, 03:42:59 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2012, 03:43:47 PM
Post by: Panjandrum on February 13, 2012, 03:44:35 PM
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Actually, the "Soft on SECURITY"
Is already being heard. Had a conference call and it was brought up at least 6 times. As you point out it isn’t defense, but the DOD and DHS together is security. Cutting DOD budget + Cutting DHS budget = SOS (Soft On Security).
Chatter is out there that the House might go the other way and onetime fund the whole thing, at least in committee.
Post by: Panjandrum on February 13, 2012, 03:45:54 PM
I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
Well, the President doesn't want to fund something fairly large in a state he has no hope of ever winning.
Our only hope, God help us, is for the Republicans to make a play on this out of spite to help forward the, "Obama wants to slash defense and watch us all die," dialogue.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 13, 2012, 03:47:44 PM
I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
It's going to Texas. A red state.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2012, 03:51:49 PM
I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
Well, the President doesn't want to fund something fairly large in a state he has no hope of ever winning.
Our only hope, God help us, is for the Republicans to make a play on this out of spite to help forward the, "Obama wants to slash defense and watch us all die," dialogue.
Based on what I read, Obama proposed $150 million for construction of the project. Congress slashed it to $50 million. Obama then came back and said that $50 million wasn't enough to do the project, so he took it all the way down to $10 million for swine flu research instead. That sounds like the republican congress squashing the project to me.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2012, 03:52:28 PM
I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
It's going to Texas. A red state.
That's true. It just shows where our politicians stand within their own party, I guess.
Post by: mocat on February 13, 2012, 03:53:04 PM
I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
Well, the President doesn't want to fund something fairly large in a state he has no hope of ever winning.
Our only hope, God help us, is for the Republicans to make a play on this out of spite to help forward the, "Obama wants to slash defense and watch us all die," dialogue.
Based on what I read, Obama proposed $150 million for construction of the project. Congress slashed it to $50 million. Obama then came back and said that $50 million wasn't enough to do the project, so he took it all the way down to $10 million for swine flu research instead. That sounds like the republican congress squashing the project to me.
yep
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 13, 2012, 04:28:47 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 13, 2012, 05:08:28 PM
At least we got the state government to upgrade a shitload of stuff for us :cheers:
Hardly, the new grain mill and bio-fuels lab that had to be built because of the NBAF site has and will cost K-State and many private donors millions. While the new mill was long overdue, and the additional lab space for bio-fuel research are nice, the State didn't have to pay much if any of that bill.
What does it tell you about the State of Kansas when a school like Kansas State pretty much has to self fund a project like that?
Post by: wetwillie on February 13, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
Post by: 0.42 on February 13, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
Well, maybe in a few more (a lot more) years when/if the government has more dollars to play with, we'll have another chance.
By then Texas will have done Texasthings and wormed their way into it being located there.
NBAF in San Marcos :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Post by: ew2x4 on February 13, 2012, 06:17:50 PM
Well, maybe in a few more (a lot more) years when/if the government has more dollars to play with, we'll have another chance.
By then Texas will have done Texasthings and wormed their way into it being located there.
NBAF in San Marcos :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
But the growth!!!!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2012, 06:47:50 PM
What does it tell you about the State of Kansas when a school like Kansas State pretty much has to self fund a project like that?
Our marriage still has its sanctity. :dunno:
Post by: Cire on February 13, 2012, 07:21:49 PM
Post by: kim carnes on February 13, 2012, 07:39:35 PM
Right now we have to all pray for a bio terrorist attack. Pray as hard as you can to whoever/whatever you can EMAWs. :pray:
Yep
Post by: Scary Smart on February 13, 2012, 11:13:58 PM
Post by: jtksu on February 13, 2012, 11:17:49 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2012, 07:17:15 AM
Quote from: brownback
"We appreciate that President Obama's budget contains funding to add research missions currently at Plum Island to Kansas State's Biosecurity Research Institute (BRI). It's a signal that Kansas researchers are more than capable of meeting the very challenging task of helping protect our food supply and our overall national security.
"However, for the first time, President Obama's budget fails to provide vital resources for construction of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF) despite his administration's overwhelming support for it in the past. A needless effort to reassess the importance of protecting our nation's food supply is a waste of taxpayer dollars. This change of direction is unacceptable and will leave our country vulnerable.
"That said, President Obama's budget is an exercise in futility and reads more like a campaign document. The Senate Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid has said the Senate will not even consider the president's budget.
"The evidence is clear that we need a cutting-edge biosecurity level 4 facility in this country. Kansas has won every competition, met every standard and proven its commitment to this project, and we'll do whatever it takes to fulfill this critical national security need."
I'm sure your political jabs are going to help us get this thing Brownback your rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
Post by: EllToPay on February 14, 2012, 08:16:02 AM
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Mr Obama’s advisers know how little the budget matters. As they went through the motions of explaining it today, they noted that big initiatives, such as corporate tax reform and the Buffett rule minimum tax for millionaires, are not part of it; they will come later as part of a broader reform proposal. Bigger changes to entitlements would likewise be part of a “grand bargain” between Republicans and Democrats and Mr Obama was not about to share his negotiating position with reporters.
Administration officials, like the Republicans, know the real fight comes after November, when the battle for the White House is over and several big deadlines loom. Chief among these are the expiration of Mr Bush’s tax cuts and the sequester. No one knows how that crunch will be avoided, and reading Mr Obama’s budget leaves one none the wiser.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2012/02/barack-obamas-budget?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/thephonywar
Post by: Johnny Wichita on February 14, 2012, 09:06:22 AM
Quote from: brownback"We appreciate that President Obama's budget contains funding to add research missions currently at Plum Island to Kansas State's Biosecurity Research Institute (BRI). It's a signal that Kansas researchers are more than capable of meeting the very challenging task of helping protect our food supply and our overall national security.
"However, for the first time, President Obama's budget fails to provide vital resources for construction of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF) despite his administration's overwhelming support for it in the past. A needless effort to reassess the importance of protecting our nation's food supply is a waste of taxpayer dollars. This change of direction is unacceptable and will leave our country vulnerable.
"That said, President Obama's budget is an exercise in futility and reads more like a campaign document. The Senate Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid has said the Senate will not even consider the president's budget.
"The evidence is clear that we need a cutting-edge biosecurity level 4 facility in this country. Kansas has won every competition, met every standard and proven its commitment to this project, and we'll do whatever it takes to fulfill this critical national security need."
I'm sure your political jabs are going to help us get this thing Brownback your rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
God, he is such a clown.
Post by: Cricketer on February 14, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2012, 10:11:48 AM
Relax gang. Rolling out budgets is much the same as a Wally Judge pregame dunk show - really cool, fear/awe inspiring, but not really in any way part of the actual game.
There is nothing relaxing about losing NBAF.
Post by: Cire on February 14, 2012, 10:14:35 AM
Post by: Cricketer on February 14, 2012, 10:14:56 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2012, 10:18:36 AM
It's not lost. There are about 4,653 different ways to put it into a budget of some sort...Obama is doing what he should do - positioning.
Obama has nothing to do with this. He put funding for NBAF in his original budget. He also has no reason to care about the Kansas vote, so he has no reason to find one of those 4,653 different ways to put it back in.
Post by: Cire on February 14, 2012, 10:21:45 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2012, 10:26:53 AM
Sad
Post by: Panjandrum on February 14, 2012, 11:28:09 AM
It's not lost. There are about 4,653 different ways to put it into a budget of some sort...Obama is doing what he should do - positioning.
Obama has nothing to do with this. He put funding for NBAF in his original budget. He also has no reason to care about the Kansas vote, so he has no reason to find one of those 4,653 different ways to put it back in.
The president's proposed budget is a component of what will actually go out.
This may still get built. It may not, but it's not dead, dead. It's on life support with a hand getting ready to pull the plug, but it's not officially dead.
Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 14, 2012, 12:07:05 PM
SEBELIUS!!!is a $!#*!
Post by: KITNfury on February 14, 2012, 12:13:55 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 14, 2012, 12:37:20 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 14, 2012, 01:37:40 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 14, 2012, 02:01:52 PM
just needs renamed and attached to something completely non related.
I have always wanted to do this. Like, attach it to funding for troops in Afghanistan.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2012, 02:16:48 PM
This president's proposed budgets are not real and not worth the thousands of pages of paper they're printed on. He has never had one that has ever been seriously considered by the Senate. Harry Reid just says "put whatever you want in it and we will throw it away for you."
This applies to every president or any person with a unilateral budget proposal. Do you ever stop being a partisan, neo con, mouthbreather? Does getting a shot in at the president make it worth looking like a complete idiot?
Post by: Cire on February 14, 2012, 02:23:52 PM
SEBELIUS!!!is a $!#*!
looking that way for sure.
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2012, 02:39:54 PM
Post by: mocat on February 14, 2012, 02:44:11 PM
just needs renamed and attached to something completely non related.
I have always wanted to do this. Like, attach it to funding for troops in Afghanistan.
we should look into a cell phone project for the army
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2012, 02:49:12 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2012, 03:12:39 PM
Patriot American Flag Initiative For Soldiers Injured In The War Who Need Medical Treatment And Also Assurances That They Don't Get Bio-Bombed By Someone Later Act
The Food Security Bill for Heroes
Post by: CNS on February 14, 2012, 03:15:56 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2012, 03:23:18 PM
Post by: ben ji on February 14, 2012, 04:46:59 PM
I just spoke with BigShotLobbyistCat and this is what they said
"Brownback spoke with DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano this morning regarding President Obama's proposal to reasses NBAF. "Secretary Napolitano and I had an excellent conversation this morning. She assured me the 'reassessment' had nothing to do with the need for or location fo the NBAF but rather with the overall cost and scope of the project" "DHS selected Manhattan Kansas as the location for NBAF on the merits and I fully esxpect that NBAF will be built here."
So its still going to be built...
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2012, 04:49:36 PM
ALL IS WELL
I just spoke with BigShotLobbyistCat and this is what they said
"Brownback spoke with DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano this morning regarding President Obama's proposal to reasses NBAF. "Secretary Napolitano and I had an excellent conversation this morning. She assured me the 'reassessment' had nothing to do with the need for or location fo the NBAF but rather with the overall cost and scope of the project" "DHS selected Manhattan Kansas as the location for NBAF on the merits and I fully esxpect that NBAF will be built here."
So its still going to be built...
Well Janet Napolitano might not even have a job in January, so who really knows?
Post by: ben ji on February 14, 2012, 04:57:06 PM
Asked BSLC is this means it will still be built just delayed...
"Theoretically. One of those funny situations like boeing moving due to defense cuts. The entire Kansas Congressional Delegation is all about spending cuts - until it impacts Kansas. We'll see how the next election goes. Further right and funding will probably not be available for another 4 years"
VOTE OBAMA IF YOU WANT NBAF
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 14, 2012, 04:58:06 PM
ALL IS WELL
I just spoke with BigShotLobbyistCat and this is what they said
"Brownback spoke with DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano this morning regarding President Obama's proposal to reasses NBAF. "Secretary Napolitano and I had an excellent conversation this morning. She assured me the 'reassessment' had nothing to do with the need for or location fo the NBAF but rather with the overall cost and scope of the project" "DHS selected Manhattan Kansas as the location for NBAF on the merits and I fully esxpect that NBAF will be built here."
So its still going to be built...
Translation:
Brownback: I am very concerned about the NBAF for the next few months until I leave Kansas.
JN: STFU hayseed.
SB: k, thanks
Post by: waks on February 14, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
Post by: Cire on February 14, 2012, 05:42:03 PM
The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2012, 12:16:42 AM
The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Wouldn't they just do all of their research underground? It seems to me that that would solve the whole tornado problem.
Post by: CNS on February 15, 2012, 08:57:53 AM
The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Wouldn't they just do all of their research underground? It seems to me that that would solve the whole tornado problem.
I imagine the concern is support/utilities to keep things maintained in case of a Greensburg type event.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2012, 08:59:57 AM
The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Wouldn't they just do all of their research underground? It seems to me that that would solve the whole tornado problem.
I imagine the concern is support/utilities to keep things maintained in case of a Greensburg type event.
Good point.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2012, 09:16:57 AM
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2012, 09:21:50 AM
Post by: CNS on February 15, 2012, 09:24:38 AM
Al the bullshit about nat dist's is just bullshit.
This is about either crazy people being crazy or economic impact. Most everything we have heard are people worried about the latter, using the former to scare everyone.
Post by: CNS on February 15, 2012, 09:25:13 AM
In The Stand when all the survivors headed to Georgia crap really hits the fan.
also, there is a v large zombie issue there in Walking Dead
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2012, 09:27:02 AM
In The Stand when all the survivors headed to Georgia crap really hits the fan.
also, there is a v large zombie issue there in Walking Dead
NBAF could just have a big firebomb thing like the CDC has. Prob solved.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 15, 2012, 09:30:52 AM
In The Stand when all the survivors headed to Georgia crap really hits the fan.
also, there is a v large zombie issue there in Walking Dead
NBAF could just have a big firebomb thing like the CDC has. Prob solved.
If NBAF goes through and something bad happens its likely Manhattan will get nuked. But it would be a quick, painless death, so no big deal.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 15, 2012, 09:31:20 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2012, 09:55:55 AM
so like, what's up with the fbi and super laser being under ood? was this common knowledge? seems like maybe we could just throw nbaf down there too, no?
FBI and DHS do not get along at all. Lots of competition and mistrust.
I heard huge brawl at softball game between the 2 last summer on a hard takeout slide of Janet at home.
Post by: CNS on February 15, 2012, 10:13:52 AM
Then, what happens if this happens in the early evening when all the treadmills are in use at the Rec and Snyder has all the lights and sound noise going in practice for our first TCU trip?
Post by: felix rex on February 15, 2012, 10:18:33 AM
so like, what's up with the fbi and super laser being under ood? was this common knowledge? seems like maybe we could just throw nbaf down there too, no?
FBI and DHS do not get along at all. Lots of competition and mistrust.
I heard huge brawl at softball game between the 2 last summer on a hard takeout slide of Janet at home.
Everybody makes fun of the DHS. Big inferiority complex over there.
Post by: waks on February 15, 2012, 11:25:03 AM
Meh. K-State's nuclear reactor took a direct hit from the tornado and all that happened was the roof blew off. I think they can figure out how to tornado proof a $650 million facility.The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Post by: KITNfury on February 15, 2012, 12:18:59 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2012, 12:22:01 PM
Post by: EllToPay on February 15, 2012, 12:22:53 PM
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Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback says a reassessment of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility by the Obama administration will focus on the price tag — not whether and where it should be built.
In a release Tuesday, Brownback said he spoke with U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, who told him the review was focused only on the cost and scope of the facility, slated to be built at Kansas State University .
“DHS selected Manhattan, Kan., as the location of the NBAF on the merits. And I fully expect that the NBAF will be built here,” the governor said.
On Monday, the Obama administration’s budget request for DHS included no new construction dollars for NBAF. The administration said it would conduct “a comprehensive assessment of whether and for what purpose a ... facility should be stood up.”
The $650 million lab would replace an aging facility at Plum Island, N,Y., that conducts research on diseases, such as hoof-and-mouth and H1N1 influenza, that could present a threat to the public or the country’s agricultural infrastructure.
The facility has attracted opposition from other parts of the country, which have gone so far as to challenge the KSU siting in court, as well as agricultural interests concerned that an accident or other outbreak from the facility in the heart of the U.S. livestock industry could be devastating.
Brownback said he will schedule a meeting of the state’s NBAF Steering Committee later this month and that he and the state’s federal delegation will continue pushing for funding for NBAF.
saving face?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 15, 2012, 12:28:55 PM
Post by: ben ji on February 15, 2012, 01:01:02 PM
Hayseed Reps Threaten to ruin Manhattans Chances of getting second Olive Garden
New update from BSLC
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The $5M in additional funds for the Vet school is tied into the contract with the feds for NBAF. So if they re-appropriate it we would, in essence, be breaking the contract. There is already $10M coming from the feds for NBAF this year tied to that $5M state investment regardless of Obama’s budget.
A few of the more conservative (spend nothing, anti-government involvement unless it concerns abortion or marriage) committee members were upset that the budget reports reflected that the agencies did not request the $5M. It was a recommendation from the Governor, part of this State of the State roadmap for economic success. But that just catches attention of being “new spending” which they obviously have to step in and stop. The Governor’s policy director made it to the meeting towards the end so I am assuming the situation will get under control…although a few of these folks are difficult to control…. Trouble is if this gets national media that would not be good for the state, KSU, or future of NBAF. It creates uncertainty in the state’s commitment to the program.
Post by: CNS on February 15, 2012, 01:46:25 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2012, 01:51:46 PM
Also, and possibly more important to hayseeds, wasn't an eventual Red Lobster promised?
cheddar bay biscuits :cry:
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
Also, and possibly more important to hayseeds, wasn't an eventual Red Lobster promised?
it's like they don't even give a crap and are happy as hell to sit back and watch all of our money drive itself to Topeka every other sunday
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2012, 02:01:06 PM
Post by: CNS on February 15, 2012, 02:02:39 PM
Does The Animal know about this? Maybe he can just make some calls?
"Olive Garden or GTFO" - The Animal
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 15, 2012, 02:03:25 PM
Does The Animal know about this? Maybe he can just make some calls?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2F2elxyfn.jpg&hash=9fd928b80f792a81196402f8250b67aba70c452c)
Post by: OlatheWildcat on February 15, 2012, 07:37:17 PM
Meh. K-State's nuclear reactor took a direct hit from the tornado and all that happened was the roof blew off. I think they can figure out how to tornado proof a $650 million facility.The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Remember when that went down, and a whole bunch of people were freaking out, spreading rumors that the reactor core was being thrown around campus? Happy us nuclear engineers clownsuited everyone.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2012, 08:53:16 PM
Post by: jtksu on February 15, 2012, 08:59:29 PM
Post by: CNS on February 16, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Rumblings back when I was in school was that olive garden and red lobster were tied together and wouldn't come to manhattan until it hit 50k population. Has that happened yet, I have no idea.
Pfft, Red Lobster could sell hayseeds all the cheddar biscuits they need while standing in the middle of a cheddar biscuit field.
Pop has nothing to do with hayseeds and their grease/cheese/carb addictions.
Post by: Brock Landers on February 17, 2012, 10:44:30 AM
Rumblings back when I was in school was that olive garden and red lobster were tied together and wouldn't come to manhattan until it hit 50k population. Has that happened yet, I have no idea.
Pfft, Red Lobster could sell hayseeds all the cheddar biscuits they need while standing in the middle of a cheddar biscuit field.
Pop has nothing to do with hayseeds and their grease/cheese/carb addictions.
Would take. NBAF side project could probably figure out how to create a plant that actually produces cheddar biscuits.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 17, 2012, 11:10:05 AM
Rumblings back when I was in school was that olive garden and red lobster were tied together and wouldn't come to manhattan until it hit 50k population. Has that happened yet, I have no idea
Manhattan's population was over 50,000 in the 2010 census.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 17, 2012, 01:07:59 PM
Also, and possibly more important to hayseeds, wasn't an eventual Red Lobster promised?
it's like they don't even give a crap and are happy as hell to sit back and watch all of our money drive itself to Topeka every other sunday
and on our birthdays.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 19, 2012, 04:58:53 PM
Also, and possibly more important to hayseeds, wasn't an eventual Red Lobster promised?
it's like they don't even give a crap and are happy as hell to sit back and watch all of our money drive itself to Topeka every other sunday
and on our birthdays.
The Olive Garden saved the other Sundays/Mothers Day
Post by: ben ji on February 22, 2012, 10:13:57 AM
Monday, Feb. 20, 2012
Editorial: Raising the ante on NBAF
By The Capital-Journal Editorial Board cjonline.com Copyright 2012 CJ Online. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
FILE PHOTOGRAPH/THE CAPITAL-JOURNAL
Cattle graze in what will one day be the site of NBAF. In the distance is the LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium.
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The abundance of fiscally conservative Republicans working under our Capitol dome could lead some to believe that volunteering to pick up an even larger portion of the tab for a federal facility wouldn’t be high on their list of things to do.
Fortunately, that is not the case.
Legislative leaders say they might be willing to increase the state’s participation in the venture — a National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility in Manhattan — to keep it on track and ensure it comes our way.
State officials apparently don’t have clue yet how much the price tag on that would be. We don’t either, but we think they are right to explore the possibilities and do whatever they can, within reason, to move the NBAF project along. Kansans already have invested in the project and putting some more dollars into it might be the sensible thing to do. But we don’t want to own the facility.
Progress, or the lack thereof, on NBAF became an issue recently when President Barack Obama declined to include in his 2013 budget proposal any money for the facility’s construction. Rather, his budget recommendation was for the Department of Homeland Security to reassess the project, its scope and alternatives.
The last time we read DHS, NBAF and reassess in the same paragraph there was a move afoot by other states to hijack the facility from Kansas.
Gov. Sam Brownback says he has been reassured that reassessment in this case means looking at the money.
Kansas already has given DHS land for the facility and authorized $105 million in bonds to construct a utility plant for it. The price tag on the facility itself still is being reported as $650 million, but there has been talk that the final cost could exceed that figure substantially.
Senate President Steve Morris, R-Hugoton, has said he doesn’t have a problem with a modest increase in the state debt level if that’s what it takes to get the problem rolling. Morris said he had discussed the issue with Brownback but declined to provide any details of their talk.
House Speaker Mike O’Neal, R-Hutchinson, however, said he was of the same mind as the governor on the issue and that if the financing scheme has to change to get NBAF built that’s what should be done.
Bonding, O’Neal said, could be part of the solution.
Those conversations indicate nothing is set in stone, but clearly O’Neal; Morris, one of NBAF’s biggest supporters in the Legislature; and Brownback are willing to consider raising the state’s ante if that becomes necessary.
NBAF alone will bring a lot of well-paid scientists and researchers to the state. Kansas also is counting on the facility to be an anchor for an animal health corridor stretching from Columbia, Mo., to Manhattan, that would involve hundreds of animal health companies involved in research and development.
To say NBAF would be a huge player in the state’s economic future would be putting it mildly.
Given the stakes, some additional investment by the state may well be warranted.
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2012, 10:21:31 AM
Post by: Panjandrum on February 22, 2012, 11:59:23 AM
no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Post by: nicname on March 17, 2012, 03:39:17 AM
We've made the big time. Alex Jones hates us.
Post by: ben ji on March 17, 2012, 08:38:16 AM
http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-plans-to-build-a-high-risk-virus-research-center-in-the-heart-of-america/#
We've made the big time. Alex Jones hates us.
Wow, after reading that you would think that within 1 year of it getting built god will go all soddom and gamora(sp) on our asses.
Post by: Rams on March 17, 2012, 08:49:59 AM
Post by: puniraptor on March 17, 2012, 08:59:03 AM
no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
Post by: _33 on March 17, 2012, 09:00:37 AM
no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
:lol:
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 09:11:14 AM
no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
:lol:
:lol:
Post by: Trim on March 17, 2012, 10:10:30 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2012, 10:27:23 AM
http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-plans-to-build-a-high-risk-virus-research-center-in-the-heart-of-america/#
We've made the big time. Alex Jones hates us.
I hate the crap where these assholes say "reducing is not eliminating" or some such line. Show me the place that has absolutely 0 risk of anything ever happening.
Post by: 114Hickory on March 17, 2012, 11:01:15 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2012, 11:19:35 AM
Nebraska. Zero risk of winning an NCAA tournament game.
Well done
Post by: 114Hickory on March 17, 2012, 03:38:41 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 17, 2012, 05:19:49 PM
also, great post puniraptor.
Post by: DQ12 on March 17, 2012, 08:55:58 PM
Barn.Oh my.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
:lol:
Post by: puniraptor on March 17, 2012, 09:03:09 PM
Post by: p1k3 on March 17, 2012, 09:17:15 PM
Post by: Panjandrum on March 18, 2012, 02:11:47 AM
no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
:lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2012, 03:35:10 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/12/magazine/anthrax-island.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
Post by: mocat on March 19, 2012, 08:57:28 AM
no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
Puniraptor just single-handedly got me over the Cuse/Jamar/Currie fiasco. :thumbs:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 03, 2012, 02:20:19 PM
Just imagine if those trucks were full of shipments of meatgoat chlamydia?
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/03/tornado-thrashes-dallas-area/?hpt=hp_c1
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 13, 2012, 04:16:43 PM
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New cost estimates discussed Friday place the price tag at $1.14 billion to design and build the facility. DHS officials said the increased cost was attributed to changes in the design of the lab to mitigate the possibility of a release of deadly pathogen.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 13, 2012, 04:35:32 PM
Post by: TheCatFanSpeaks on April 13, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
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Public Hearing In Washington D.C. Looks At Alternatives For NBAF
In it's first public hearing today in Washington , D.C. a new panel of the National Research Council will discuss alternatives for the National Bio and Agro -Defense Facility -- or NBAF. The committee will NOT look at risk, or location. A separate NRC committee is taking on those questions.
Chairman of the committee, Dr. Terry McElwain said in an interview last night that the group would be looking at several possibilities. One would be to build the NBAF as currently designed. Another would be to scale back the current design and work with the existing capabilities at the Plum Island Animal Disease Center off the coast of New York. That's where all the high security, large animal disease research is going on now. Finally, McElwain says the committee could recommend scaling back NBAF and working with other high biocontainment labs around the U.S. or abroad.
Critics of the NBAF don’t want the lab in Kansas, where such a huge number of livestock are raised. They worry about the release of a deadly pathogen, especially the highly contagious Foot and Mouth Disease. Others are criticizing the mushrooming expense of the lab in a time of extreme budget cuts.
Supporters say the concentration of animal science and food safety research in the area makes Kansas State University the perfect site for the lab.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 13, 2012, 04:49:19 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 13, 2012, 04:54:17 PM
Post by: hemmy on April 14, 2012, 09:30:49 AM
Post by: Scary Smart on April 14, 2012, 11:24:17 AM
We may need to tear down this plum island place
goEMAW should pay for a couple of bros to fly up to Plum Island and EMAW the crap out of the place, Paxico billboard-style.
Post by: ben ji on April 24, 2012, 10:33:29 AM
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Kansas bioterror lab: A money pit or a gold mine?
By LAURA ZIEBLER
Harvest Public Media
There’s a whole lot of uncertainly in the middle of Kansas.
Make that hole — as in the gaping construction site of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility on the campus of Kansas State University in Manhattan.
The cost of the federally funded animal-research facility — NBAF for short, commonly pronounced “En-baf” — is now estimated at $1.14 billion, up from the original projected tab of $415 million. As the weeks and months go by, safety questions, funding obstacles and political fallout weigh down the project even further.
Tara O’Toole, an undersecretary at the Department of Homeland Security, said at a public hearing this month in Washington that the threat of existing and emerging animal disease remained real, and that construction of NBAF should move forward. But the higher price tag — caused by changes in the design of the lab to address safety concerns — is a huge obstacle in this time of shrinking federal spending and revenues.
“You can’t do research without modern facilities, but the money for modern facilities comes out of the same piggy bank for research,” she said. “I think this is one of those wicked problems for which there is no complete or satisfying answer.”
The White House, which allocated $40 million for the NBAF in 2011, has frozen the $50 million that had been appropriated this year and eliminated funds in next year’s budget.
For Kansas, the stakes are high. Gov. Sam Brownback recently said Kansas could expect a fight for the next five years to get the lab up and running. The state has promised more than $200 million in direct payments and in-kind support for the lab — and has already spent almost a third of that on the site.
There is support at the highest federal levels. Earlier this month U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack talked about the NBAF after delivering a lecture at K-State. He said his department would work with Congress and the Department of Homeland Security to fund the project.
“I think it’s important for this project to be perceived as more than just a project for Kansas State or for the state of Kansas,” Vilsack said. “I think it’s a national priority, and we’re going to continue to advocate for it with the Department of Homeland Security.”
But it is an open question whether NBAF will fall victim to the federal money pit or fulfill its promise as a Kansas gold mine.
Threats in the air
After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the new Department of Homeland Security said the Plum Island Animal Disease Center was too old to protect U.S. agriculture from a terrorist threat. The Cold War-era facility off the coast of Long Island, N.Y., was the only place in the country to have studied incurable germs such as foot-and-mouth disease.
In 2005, the Department of Homeland Security announced plans to replace Plum Island with a facility on the U.S. mainland. Kansas won the job in 2008.
From the start, the plan was that the NBAF would not be just any animal lab. At a half-million square feet, it would be larger than the combined areas of the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Army’s main biodefense research lab in Fort Detrick, Md.
But while opinion polls still rate terrorism as a serious concern, more people today worry about the economy. Lynn Vavreck, a professor of political science at the University of California-Los Angeles, said the net effect meant dwindling support for the NBAF.
“Nearly 40 percent of Americans told us that the U.S. has just been lucky to have avoided a large-scale bioterror attack,” Vavreck said. “Another 40 percent said they think it’s because the government is doing a good job. Either way, that’s 80 percent of the people who might think a new facility is not needed.”
The NBAF has even divided cattlemen. The state’s largest group of ranchers, the Kansas Livestock Association, supports the lab, although it is waiting for reassurances the facility will be safe.
But the Kansas Cattlemen’s Association, typically a more independent and activist group compared with the livestock association, opposes the NBAF.
At a recent board meeting of the cattlemen’s group in Wichita, member Aaron Winter, whose family has been in ranching for decades, said it is hard to trust the Department of Homeland Security.
“I’d like to have some faith that they are doing the best they can,” Winter said. “Are they doing that? I don’t think you can take someone in government that has no idea where (beef) comes from and that he can truly understand what we deal with every day.”
There also is a formerly sleepy local opposition that has gained traction as federal budget cuts delaying the project have given them extra time to air their grievances.
Many of those concerns have to do with safety. Studying diseases on large animals presents new and unique problems such as where to dispose of diseased carcasses and what to do with contaminated waste. In addition, some of the more exotic diseases — such as swine flu and the Hendra virus — can be fatal to humans.
Retired political science professor Linda Richter, a member of the group Biosecurity in the Heartland, said she didn’t feel Kansas “won” the NBAF, as supporters claimed when the site was selected.
Homeland Security and other supporters tried to suppress opposition early on by holding public meetings when no one was on the K-State campus and in places inaccessible to many people, Richter said. She said she was not surprised that opposition was growing.
“If it had been open and transparent all along and your view didn’t prevail, well, that’s the way it happens in a democracy,” Richter said. “On the other hand, if it appears to be slid through, I don’t think (supporters) should be surprised everyone isn’t wildly enthusiastic.”
Homeland Security officials say there was, in fact, a six-week period during the site-selection process during which anyone could register public comments. More than 3,500 comments about the final five sites came in from around the country. Homeland Security also held another public comment session in Manhattan this year as part of a new site evaluation.
At that session, Gary Covington, an engineer and a member of Biosecurity in the Heartland, said he was worried that Homeland Security omitted important information about the risk of natural disasters such as tornadoes, floods and earthquakes.
Homeland Security, on the other hand, said it addressed these concerns in its updated risk assessment, which a committee of the National Research Council is reviewing. That updated report is a response to the council’s highly critical review of a Homeland Security risk assessment in 2010.
The big report
The National Research Council is part of the National Academy of Sciences. The committee is examining the threat that infectious diseases, including current and emerging diseases and bioterrorist agents, pose to livestock. Its review will include studying relevant articles and reports.
Based on those findings, the committee will identify the laboratory and infrastructure that are needed to counter the threats to maintain public health, animal health and food safety in the United States.
The committee will look at whether the government should continue to build the lab as designed, scale the project back or maintain the Plum Island lab in New York and use “Level 4” labs in Canada and Australia to research and analyze diseases. The Kansas facility would be a Level 4 lab, with access to research at Kansas State and animal health companies in the region.
However, Homeland Security officials told the panel that time was a critical factor in detecting diseases and responding to outbreaks.
“It is not good policy to rely on foreign partners,” said James Johnson, the director of the Homeland Security Department’s Office of National Laboratories in the Science and Technology Directorate.
The committee is expected to issue its report by June 30.
Sen. Mary Landrieu, a Louisiana Democrat and the chairwoman of the Homeland Security Subcommittee on the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee, said through a staffer that funding for the NBAF would remain on hold until the review was completed.
Then it will be up to policymakers to decide how much risk is acceptable for the new lab.
Tim Barr, the site manager for Homeland Security in Manhattan, acknowledged that the project contained risks but said the government would address all concerns. The lab’s opponents fear any human error would be disastrous.
“We have a lot of really smart folks who put together our recent updated risk assessment, and that document will speak for itself when it’s made available to the public,” Barr said.
Kansas costs
Kansans already are out of pocket for a bunch of NBAF-related costs.
The state donated 48 acres to Homeland Security, worth more than $1 million, and authorized $105 million in revenue bonds to prepare the site. About a third of that has been spent for specialized utilities.
Lyle Butler, the president and CEO of the Manhattan Chamber of Commerce, said the city has thrown $5 million into the pot, enticed by the NBAF’s economic development potential. A study commissioned by K-State estimated an economic impact on Kansas of about $2.5 billion, including more than 750 construction jobs and 320 permanent workers.
The state Commerce Department also committed $2 million early on to win the NBAF, low-interest loans to the develop and money to train a skilled workforce: $1,000 for each job created.
But the biggest state investment has come in the form of K-State’s Biosecurity Research Institute, which literally sits in the shadow of the NBAF construction site.
The center cost Kansas about $58 million to build, and the state has invested many more millions of dollars to support NBAF-related research there.
Stephen Higgs, the institute’s research director, said the facility had the capacity to handle additional animal disease research, including projects that would be transferred from Plum Island. A federal budget proposal would allocate $10 million to bring some of that work to Kansas in the next year.
Higgs said the institute has continued to go through training and certification since it opened in 2010. Those processes will allow scientists and researchers to work on a variety of animal diseases.
“The state of Kansas has invested a lot in this. We believe it has to be built,” Higgs said. “We’re ready, willing and able to be that springboard for NBAF.”
The state funds for the institute came through the Kansas Bioscience Authority, a public-private partnership that the state Legislature created to bring bioscience jobs to Kansas.
Early on, the NBAF was a top priority for the authority, said John Carlin, who was Kansas governor from 1979 to 1987 and is a former chairman of the authority’s board.
But the Kansas Bioscience Authority came under harsh scrutiny last year. Expense reports revealed what some state lawmakers felt was excessive spending — much of it related to lobbying for the NBAF. The Johnson County district attorney is reviewing a forensic audit to decide whether to file criminal charges.
Clearly, Kansas has a lot riding on the NBAF.
Last summer, Gov. Brownback gave Sen. Pat Roberts — the Kansas Republican who has long carried the torch for the NBAF in Washington — the pen he used to sign an executive order creating a steering committee that is pushing for the lab.
In explaining the need for the committee, Brownback underscored the state’s commitment to the NBAF but said federal funding would be a struggle.
“This is going to be tough. The budget environment in Washington is extraordinarily challenging,” he said. “We are putting our best team on the field.”
That was before President Barack Obama eliminated construction funds for the NBAF in the 2013 federal budget.
U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins, the Republican whose district includes Manhattan, said the White House was misguided in steering money away from national security. She said the NBAF falls squarely within Washington’s responsibility.
“It’s the right thing to do,” Jenkins said. “It’s a priority of the federal government, and we’re going to get it done.”
BSLC just emailed me this article. Should have their opinion on whether it happens shortly.
Post by: ben ji on April 24, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
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Well, last week the Kansas House and Senate budget committees both confirmed that they plan to transfer the remaining $5M that they were holding up so that is good on Kansas' end. I think NBAF will happen but not the degree it was planned - there won't be as much investment from the Feds and it will be a continual fight for funding. Unless the Tea Party takes over more seats in the next election...gotta cut gov't spending!
Post by: MakeItRain on April 24, 2012, 01:44:28 PM
http://www.kansas.com/2012/04/20/2305234/kansas-senate-president-says-manhattan.html (http://www.kansas.com/2012/04/20/2305234/kansas-senate-president-says-manhattan.html)
Kansas Senate president says Manhattan lab’s funding could be at risk
By Dion Lefler The Wichita Eagle
A split between Kansas’ U.S. Rep. Tim Huelskamp and U.S. House Speaker John Boehner is complicating efforts to redraw the state’s congressional districts to ensure the new map doesn’t threaten funding for a federal bioterrorism lab in Manhattan, the president of the state Senate said Friday.
A spokeswoman for Huelskamp said there is no split with the speaker that would threaten the funding for the lab.
Kansas Senate President Steve Morris, R-Hugoton, told a Wichita Republican club that the Legislature will have to keep Manhattan in Kansas’ 2nd Congressional District, rather than including it in Huelskamp’s sprawling western-Kansas 1st District.
He said conflict between Huelskamp and Boehner could threaten efforts to get funding for the National Bio and Agro -Defense Facility, also known as NBAF. The $650million national laboratory has been planned as a center to research and counter possible biological terrorism directed against the nation’s food supply.
“Not to get into too many details, there’s a pretty good-sized conflict between the U.S. speaker of the House and our congressman from the 1st District,” Morris told the Wichita Pachyderm Club. “He’s (Huelskamp) told people that if Manhattan and Riley County stay in the 1st District (as was proposed in some early redistricting maps), funding could be a problem for NBAF. That’s out there, so we’re dealing with that.”
Post by: steve dave on April 24, 2012, 01:48:18 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 24, 2012, 02:42:10 PM
Post by: ben ji on April 24, 2012, 02:43:08 PM
We may need to tear down this plum island place
goEMAW should pay for a couple of bros to fly up to Plum Island and EMAW the crap out of the place, Paxico billboard-style.
:horrorsurprise: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-24/mad-cow-case-confirmed-in-central-california-usda-says.html
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The first U.S. case of mad cow disease in six years has been found in a dairy cow in central California, John Clifford, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s chief veterinarian, told reporters today in a briefing in Washington.
Post by: OregonSmock on April 24, 2012, 02:45:53 PM
Post by: puniraptor on April 24, 2012, 03:35:09 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 04, 2012, 06:52:03 AM
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Heard a report today on the status of NBAF.
-New York Congressional Delegation will not let level 4 facility be built on Plum Island, that not new info but the person being interviewed reiterated that it flat out will not happen
-Original cost estimate was 450 million. Today the cost estimate is over 1 billion dollars because of design overhaul to protect from tornados. If NBAF in Manhattan is scrapped, it will cost another 40 million just to design the new facility somewhere else
-DHS is experiencing the first round of budget cuts since it was created following 9/11.
-Publicly acknowledge that U.S. facilities are currently inadequate. If congress doesnt appropriate the money to build the facility, U.S. will have to rely on what other countries are doing regarding research on larger animals and those facilities are inadequate as well.
Gist of the report was that the experts agree that the U.S. needs the new facility but the money isnt there. I knew cost estimates had gone up but I did not know that they had doubled.
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Talked with a Project Manager that has intimate knowledge of the project over lunch today. He wholeheartedly thinks the project will go forward and that the Central Plant is going to go sooner then later. He made me feel better about the likelihood.
Post by: raquetcat on May 04, 2012, 08:28:17 AM
QuoteHeard a report today on the status of NBAF.
-New York Congressional Delegation will not let level 4 facility be built on Plum Island, that not new info but the person being interviewed reiterated that it flat out will not happen
-Original cost estimate was 450 million. Today the cost estimate is over 1 billion dollars because of design overhaul to protect from tornados. If NBAF in Manhattan is scrapped, it will cost another 40 million just to design the new facility somewhere else
-DHS is experiencing the first round of budget cuts since it was created following 9/11.
-Publicly acknowledge that U.S. facilities are currently inadequate. If congress doesnt appropriate the money to build the facility, U.S. will have to rely on what other countries are doing regarding research on larger animals and those facilities are inadequate as well.
Gist of the report was that the experts agree that the U.S. needs the new facility but the money isnt there. I knew cost estimates had gone up but I did not know that they had doubled.QuoteTalked with a Project Manager that has intimate knowledge of the project over lunch today. He wholeheartedly thinks the project will go forward and that the Central Plant is going to go sooner then later. He made me feel better about the likelihood.
The national academy of sciences was suppose to have a committee meet about NBAF this week, and then make a recommendation, I'm assuming that's what you posted. I'm not sure what kind of pull or influence they have on the DHS though, besides being a bunch of smart scientisty people.
Post by: steve dave on May 04, 2012, 08:30:11 AM
Post by: CNS on May 04, 2012, 08:50:40 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on May 04, 2012, 09:24:56 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 04, 2012, 09:34:46 AM
Once this thing is started, how long til everyone in Manhattan is rich? I mean, I know most people are rich already, but I mean absurd rich.
How long does it take for a room to get bright when you turn on the light switch?
Post by: steve dave on May 17, 2012, 10:47:31 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on May 17, 2012, 10:49:41 AM
Post by: wes mantooth on May 17, 2012, 10:51:15 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 17, 2012, 10:58:01 AM
Post by: CNS on May 17, 2012, 11:08:47 AM
yet Yoder says:
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With today’s appropriations bill, we’ve once again affirmed our commitment to protecting our Homeland by making sure the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility receives the funding needed to complete construction
You aren't completing anything w/ $75M. you are barely starting anything with $75M.
Post by: steve dave on May 17, 2012, 11:10:36 AM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on May 17, 2012, 11:22:57 AM
well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
And the thought of redesigning it somewhere else costing $50mill. $125mill on a $1B project is a nice chunk.
Post by: CNS on May 17, 2012, 11:23:19 AM
well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.
:dunno:
Post by: WildcatNkilt on May 17, 2012, 11:26:44 AM
well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.
:dunno:
So you think they would bail the $50mill + $75mill + $50 (for redesign)? Highly unlikely. Thats almost 20% of the total project. Would you put 20% down on a house, walk away and tell the seller they can keep the down payment?
Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2012, 11:37:02 AM
Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 17, 2012, 11:38:11 AM
Good to hear, MIR.Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
Post by: 8manpick on May 17, 2012, 11:45:17 AM
Good to hear, MIR.Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
Someone had to say it, thanks MiR.
I am really pumped about this new news. I had resigned myself to the fact that we had built a really expensive hole in the ground, and it was never going to get past that.
Post by: jmlynch1 on May 17, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
I thought it was hilariousEat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
Post by: CNS on May 17, 2012, 11:49:24 AM
well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.
:dunno:
So you think they would bail the $50mill + $75mill + $50 (for redesign)? Highly unlikely. Thats almost 20% of the total project. Would you put 20% down on a house, walk away and tell the seller they can keep the down payment?
No, but I am not the govt. Things get put on hold all the time. Especially when looking at the cost of completion after the down payments is still approx $1B
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 17, 2012, 11:52:03 AM
If you guys are over sensitive idiots, I can't do much for you. T's & P's. Getting away from this, I'm very excited about the news.Good to hear, MIR.Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
Someone had to say it, thanks MiR.
Post by: CNS on May 17, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on May 17, 2012, 11:55:11 AM
well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.
:dunno:
So you think they would bail the $50mill + $75mill + $50 (for redesign)? Highly unlikely. Thats almost 20% of the total project. Would you put 20% down on a house, walk away and tell the seller they can keep the down payment?
No, but I am not the govt. Things get put on hold all the time. Especially when looking at the cost of completion after the down payments is still approx $1B
Yup. We had a $7mil job get cancelled last year 4 weeks before ground breaking. CANCELLED. Not delayed.
Also, KSU Foundation building anyone? Again, different scale....but crap does get killed all the time.
Post by: kitten_mittons on May 17, 2012, 11:58:44 AM
Why would they appropriate all of the money up front? What is the time frame for all of this to be built, if all goes according to plan?
No, but I am not the govt. Things get put on hold all the time. Especially when looking at the cost of completion after the down payments is still approx $1B
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on May 17, 2012, 11:59:41 AM
Why would they appropriate all of the money up front? What is the time frame for all of this to be built, if all goes according to plan?
No, but I am not the govt. Things get put on hold all the time. Especially when looking at the cost of completion after the down payments is still approx $1B
original completion was 2015
Post by: _33 on May 17, 2012, 12:02:09 PM
Post by: wes mantooth on May 17, 2012, 12:14:04 PM
Why is CNSCasey doing this? Just let everyone be excited. Good grief.
trying to big time everyone. time and place, imo
Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2012, 12:49:55 PM
If you guys are over sensitive idiots, I can't do much for you. T's & P's. Getting away from this, I'm very excited about the news.Good to hear, MIR.Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
Someone had to say it, thanks MiR.
I'm not oversensitive about Obama. I'm dumbfounded at your gross misunderstanding of the situation when all you had to do was read like a page or two back.
Post by: CNS on May 17, 2012, 01:59:01 PM
Why is CNSCasey doing this? Just let everyone be excited. Good grief.
trying to big time everyone. time and place, imo
Sorry guys, just in a negative mood.
It's gonna be great*.
Post by: steve dave on June 15, 2012, 03:17:35 PM
well eff
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 15, 2012, 03:41:05 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/Report-doubts-low-risk-view-of-Kan-biohazard-lab/-/11664182/15117734/-/d4tvmrz/-/index.html#ixzz1xtXNc7ZL
well eff
When we have a non-leaky administration in place this winter, should be a go once again.
Post by: Panjandrum on June 15, 2012, 10:17:58 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/Report-doubts-low-risk-view-of-Kan-biohazard-lab/-/11664182/15117734/-/d4tvmrz/-/index.html#ixzz1xtXNc7ZL
well eff
Meh.
Post by: KITNfury on June 16, 2012, 04:33:06 PM
Post by: eastcat on June 16, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
Time to start pursuing that GITMO prison replacement contract. Would the townies be down for that?
"Townies for Terrorists"
Post by: ben ji on June 18, 2012, 10:34:44 AM
Huelskamp off to bad start on NBAF
Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Fowler, will newly represent Manhattan as a result of the federal judges’ redistricting, presumably making him the go-to congressman on matters pertaining to the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility planned for the city. But last week he voted against a Department of Homeland Security appropriations measure that included $75 million for NBAF’s construction. In astatement, Huelskamp said he has been supportive of NBAF but that “when the DHS appropriations bill came to the floor last week, I joined others in the Kansas House delegation in speaking and voting against numerous Democrat defunding amendments that would create further delays for the NBAF project. Fortunately, none of those amendments was adopted. However, because of the inclusion of $5 billion in unpaid-for disaster funding, I did vote against the entire $45 billion appropriations bill.” The president of the Manhattan Area Chamber of Commercetold the Manhattan Mercury that Huelskamp is “going to have to demonstrate leadership on the issue.”
Manhattan is now in the 1st Congressional District - being represented by Tim Huelskamp. He is running unopposed in November.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2012, 10:37:06 AM
Huelskamp off to bad start on NBAF
Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Fowler, will newly represent Manhattan as a result of the federal judges’ redistricting, presumably making him the go-to congressman on matters pertaining to the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility planned for the city. But last week he voted against a Department of Homeland Security appropriations measure that included $75 million for NBAF’s construction. In astatement, Huelskamp said he has been supportive of NBAF but that “when the DHS appropriations bill came to the floor last week, I joined others in the Kansas House delegation in speaking and voting against numerous Democrat defunding amendments that would create further delays for the NBAF project. Fortunately, none of those amendments was adopted. However, because of the inclusion of $5 billion in unpaid-for disaster funding, I did vote against the entire $45 billion appropriations bill.” The president of the Manhattan Area Chamber of Commercetold the Manhattan Mercury that Huelskamp is “going to have to demonstrate leadership on the issue.”
Manhattan is now in the 1st Congressional District - being represented by Tim Huelskamp. He is running unopposed in November.
Oh, eff Tim Huelskamp. JFC. :curse:
Post by: CNS on June 18, 2012, 10:37:56 AM
Post by: ben ji on June 18, 2012, 10:38:55 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on June 18, 2012, 10:41:40 AM
Post by: CNS on June 18, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
They finished the redistricting a last friday, the deadline to apply to run against them was the following monday. No one applied, we are stuck with him.
That timing seems awful shady.
"Here's the new district, anyone interested in running, let me know in 48 hrs."
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 18, 2012, 10:47:46 AM
They finished the redistricting a last friday, the deadline to apply to run against them was the following monday. No one applied, we are stuck with him.
That timing seems awful shady.
"Here's the new district, anyone interested in running, let me know in 48 hrs."
Well color me surprised. :horrorsurprise:
Post by: steve dave on June 18, 2012, 10:48:07 AM
Post by: Pete on June 18, 2012, 10:56:36 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2012, 11:18:17 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 26, 2012, 07:32:57 AM
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http://gizmodo.com/5921151/do-you-live-near-a-high-containment-biohazard-laboratory
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 26, 2012, 10:21:39 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 26, 2012, 10:23:23 AM
Post by: CNS on June 26, 2012, 10:25:47 AM
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This is the most dangerous type of pathogen research facility, the kind of structures you see in movies like Outbreak.
Also, it has been "under construction" technically for like 2 yrs and technically will continue to be, with or without being funded, until the project is killed by the Fed govt while Sam Brownback continues to hate on gays, brown people, and those who believe in evolution.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2012, 10:31:44 AM
Best part:QuoteThis is the most dangerous type of pathogen research facility, the kind of structures you see in movies like Outbreak.
Also, it has been "under construction" technically for like 2 yrs and technically will continue to be, with or without being funded, until the project is killed by the Fed govt while Sam Brownback continues to hate on gays, brown people, and those who believe in evolution.
Tim Huelskamp wants to build the facility, but the disaster funding just is not in the budget. As soon as the federal government starts running on a surplus, he will be able to support funding emergency disaster relief in case of catastrophic failure in his own rough ridin' district.
Post by: ben ji on July 13, 2012, 12:31:50 PM
Panel endorses need for NBAF, but questions size
Kansas City Business Journal by David Twiddy, Reporter
Date: Friday, July 13, 2012, 12:05pm CDT
Related:Health Care, Manhattan, Agriculture
David Twiddy
Reporter- Kansas City Business Journal
Email | Twitter | Health care coverage | Transportation coverage Proponents of building a National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility in Manhattan, Kan., got good — but not great — news from a scientific panel.
A federal panel of scientific experts agrees that the United States needs a new top-level biocontainment laboratory to protect the public while researching some of the most dangerous threats facing animal safety.
However, the National Research Council National Research Council Latest from The Business Journals Scientists’ report is clear: Start NBAF construction nowReport urges holistic approach to offshore safety practicesNBAF supporters forging ahead after report cites flaws Follow this company says that those goals could be met with a smaller, less expensive version of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility, or NBAF, currently planned for construction in Manhattan.
“A partnership of a central national laboratory of reduced scope and size and a distributed laboratory network can effectively protect the United States from (foreign animal) and zoonotic diseases, potentially realize cost savings, reduce redundancies while increasing efficiencies, and enhance the cohesiveness of a national system of biocontainment laboratories,” the panel wrote in a report released Friday.
The report was done after the Obama Administration did not include additional construction dollars of the NBAF in the proposed 2013 federal budget. Instead, the administration requested the Department of Homeland Security to perform a comprehensive assessment of the project, including “whether and for what purpose a ... facility should be stood up.”
The NBAF, currently estimated to cost $1.14 billion and be built at Kansas State University Kansas State University Latest from The Business Journals University of Kansas Cancer Center timeline: The path to NCI designationMike King brings experience to bear as new head of KDOTRockhurst, UMKC create joint program for engineering students in Kansas City Follow this company , would conduct research on such high-risk diseases as foot-and-mouth disease. It would replace an aging research facility on Plum Island, off the coast of New York.
While the panel didn’t specifically recommend whether planners should stick with the current NBAF plan or move to a scaled-down model, members agreed that the Plum Island facility has outlived its usefulness.
New York lawmakers have lobbied against the NBAF, requesting that Plum Island be renovated to meet current standards dealing with the most dangerous substances.
But the U.S. Department of Homeland Security U.S. Department of Homeland Security Latest from The Business Journals Follow this company told the panel that such a facility, called a Biosafety Level 4-Large Animal lab, couldn’t be built on Plum Island and that the only labs of that type exist overseas.
“Given the uncertainty over priorities of a foreign laboratory and logistical difficulties in an emergency, it would not be desirable for the United States to rely on international laboratories to meet (Level 4) large-animal needs in the long term,” the panel wrote.
The report is the second one this year to come from the National Research Council dealing with NBAF.
A separate panel of experts last month determined that designs for the NBAF were a “substantial improvement” and met most safety requirements. However, the group faulted Homeland Securities’ process for estimating the danger of dangerous substances escaping from the facility.
Post by: 0.42 on July 13, 2012, 12:33:27 PM
Post by: CNS on July 13, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Resign yourself to this and be happy if I end up wrong.
KS doesn't have an abundance of political leverage and we have crap representatives at the gov level and in Washington. Put that together with another, more powerfully state, wanting what we have, and crap doesn't look good.
Post by: eastcat on July 14, 2012, 04:01:37 AM
Look, it's not going to get built. The job was designed, funded, located, approved, and started. Since then it has had it's size, safety, budget, need, etc questioned multiple times each which tells you there is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) large contingent of people out there who are going to throw any banana peel in the way they can until some chink is found in Manhattan's armor that will allow Texas to get what Texas wants.
Resign yourself to this and be happy if I end up wrong.
KS doesn't have an abundance of political leverage and we have crap representatives at the gov level and in Washington. Put that together with another, more powerfully state, wanting what we have, and crap doesn't look good.
Although many people dislike brownback, he was really good at forcing crap through when he was in the senate. I don't think we were as prepared as we needed to be to take on the NY lobby/politics.
Post by: BMWWcat on July 14, 2012, 09:54:55 AM
The NY political folks are just trying to put up what appears to be a good fight in an election year...
It will be built in Manhattan, it's just going to take 3x as long, cost 4x as much and be half the size they initally stated because instead of setting aside the money to begin with and getting the damn thing built the butthurt jackasses in Washington just keep getting in the way. Politicans even when the lose initally always want to look like they put up a good fight, nevermind if they end-up costing us more money to get the same or less of a product, they just need to try to look like they were trying to save $, and the moron voters will eat it up.
Post by: GoodForAnother on July 15, 2012, 04:45:25 PM
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 01:41:19 PM
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GSA recommends that the federal government go ahead with the planned sale of the pork chop-shaped 840-acre island off the eastern tip of Long Island.
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The Department of Homeland Security, which operates the Plum Island Animal Disease lab, is moving forward with plans to open a new $1.14 billion facility in Manhattan, Kan
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/18/2901333/apnewsbreak-gsa-study-backs-ny.html
:surprised: :excited:
Post by: CNS on July 19, 2012, 02:17:40 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 19, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
Guys, how much do you think that porkchop island costs? Could be an elite vacation spot within striking distance of NYC. EMAW Island???
I would build a home there, name it "Meatgoat Manor"
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on July 19, 2012, 03:47:17 PM
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Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2012, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: wes mantooth on July 31, 2012, 07:49:29 PM
https://blogs.k-state.edu/kstatenews/2012/07/31/video-tour-of-the-future-nbaf-site/
I've seen this video before today, so why was it posted on kstate news today? This has been a major mind shazbot!.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on July 31, 2012, 10:05:43 PM
https://blogs.k-state.edu/kstatenews/2012/07/31/video-tour-of-the-future-nbaf-site/
I've seen this video before today, so why was it posted on kstate news today? This has been a major mind shazbot!.
first time i've watched it and i just learned that the earliest it will be finished will be 2019 and the soonest it will be opened is 2021. and that's like best case scenario stuff. :frown:
Post by: DQ12 on July 31, 2012, 10:08:30 PM
I don't know. I think I like being super arrogant about what NBAF will bring MHK more than I'll like what NBAF actually brings.https://blogs.k-state.edu/kstatenews/2012/07/31/video-tour-of-the-future-nbaf-site/
I've seen this video before today, so why was it posted on kstate news today? This has been a major mind shazbot!.
first time i've watched it and i just learned that the earliest it will be finished will be 2019 and the soones it will be opened is 2021. and that's like best case scenario stuff. :frown:
Who knows though? Both are so fun!
:grin:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2012, 10:31:11 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2012, 07:13:30 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2012, 08:43:13 AM
Post by: steve dave on September 20, 2012, 07:43:35 AM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on September 20, 2012, 08:16:39 AM
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3945587
so $40m worth of the $1.2b project will be done next year!? :excited:
Post by: scottwildcat on September 20, 2012, 08:20:51 AM
time to fish or cut bait!
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3945587
Post by: wabash909 on September 20, 2012, 08:27:43 AM
Post by: 0.42 on September 20, 2012, 09:01:07 AM
Post by: 0.42 on November 14, 2012, 05:21:36 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20318386 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20318386)
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2012, 05:52:28 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20318386 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20318386)
oh man, rancher guy was fantastic, even though I couldn't tell whose subsidies he was whining about.
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They don't know any more about technology than a tomcat knows about makin' gingerbread.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 14, 2012, 06:10:59 PM
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Post by: steve dave on December 11, 2012, 03:23:24 PM
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I'm a member of local 441 plumber's and pipefitter's of Kansas. We had our monthly meeting last night and our buisness rep for the Manhattan and Juction city laid out the time line to his understanding for the start of the NBAF power plant. For work to begin the state must transfer the building site over to Homeland security and pony up they're first installament of monies for the project. When that is complete the Feds will release they're portion of 40 some million so work can begin on the power plant. Our rep anticipated that process could be completed in the next 5 or 6 weeks. I'm pretty sure the have the contractor in place who will be in charge of all piping construction on power plant. Rest assured this will be the most advanced power generating plant in the US built buy highly skilled craftsman and i'm hoping to be forunate enough to be able to work on the project
Post by: SabiNation on December 11, 2012, 03:37:24 PM
Post by: CNS on December 11, 2012, 05:06:24 PM
Post by: Shacks on December 18, 2012, 11:53:53 PM
One of the neckbeards said he felt very threatened by NBAF because he lives five minutes away from it and mentioned that he is the leader of something called the Kansas Anti-Zombie Militia. Here is their Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kansas-ANTI-Zombie-Militia/148684351835285
Post by: nicname on December 19, 2012, 08:46:53 AM
zombie fitz
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 19, 2012, 09:05:52 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 19, 2012, 09:21:27 AM
He looks a lot like Fitz.
will need to see the size of his eyeballs to confirm.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 19, 2012, 09:29:14 AM
Watching a documentary on Discovery right now called Zombie Apocalypse. They were just in Manhattan discussing NBAF. A couple obese neckbeards were freaking out about it and convinced that the zombie apocalypse would begin there. They showed everything in the immediate vicinity - KSU cattle and meat goats, hospital and the Bill :bill:
One of the neckbeards said he felt very threatened by NBAF because he lives five minutes away from it and mentioned that he is the leader of something called the Kansas Anti-Zombie Militia. Here is their Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kansas-ANTI-Zombie-Militia/148684351835285
Imagine the zombie aroma wafting out of NBAF during a game and creating 50,000 zombies immediately. Including 2 teams of zombie football players unleashing havoc all over Manhattan.
:ohno:
Post by: Shacks on December 19, 2012, 04:50:58 PM
He looks a lot like Fitz.
will need to see the size of his eyeballs to confirm.
Can't be Zombie Fitz, he isn't at Tubby's chasing an 18 year old co-ed
Post by: treysolid on December 19, 2012, 05:38:20 PM
He looks a lot like Fitz.
will need to see the size of his eyeballs to confirm.
Can't be Zombie Fitz, he isn't at Tubby's chasing an 18 year old co-ed
serious question: will zombie fitz try harder to get brain from 20 yo girls?
Post by: eastcat on December 25, 2012, 01:17:20 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on December 25, 2012, 02:24:44 PM
Its pretty rough ridin' amazing its still even a possibility.
Post by: ben ji on January 02, 2013, 12:19:41 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 02, 2013, 12:21:14 PM
Brownback has officially signed the land over to DHS. Its a good step
:thumbs:
Post by: ben ji on January 02, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
Washington, DC – Kansas Governor Sam Brownback and the Kansas Congressional Delegation announced today the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has signed a land transfer agreement with the State of Kansas for the site where the National Bio- and Agro-defense Facility (NBAF) will be built in Manhattan, Kansas.
“While there is much more work to be done, signing of the land transfer agreement is a good step forward in securing the future health, wealth and security of the our nation. It demonstrates DHS’ continued commitment to completing the NBAF in Manhattan. Kansas stands ready to partner with DHS to move this important national security priority forward,” Governor Brownback said.
DHS announced its selection of the Manhattan site in 2009.
“This marks a big day for the state of Kansas as the land transfer is now complete. Last week, I spoke with Secretary Napolitano and she made clear construction of the Central Utilities Plant should be underway without further delay. I look forward to planning a ground breaking in 2013,” U.S. Senator Pat Roberts said.
The approximately 46 acre site is located on the north side of the Kansas State University campus. It provides land acquisition potential; highway access; environmental compatibility; adequate utility infrastructure; an available local work force for skilled labor and academic research; and proximity to agricultural, academic, medical and bioscience resources.
“This land transfer is good news for Kansas and critical to our national security. After years of hard work by Kansans and numerous studies that substantiate the need for NBAF, I’m glad to see that DHS and Secretary Napolitano have signed the land transfer agreement and will work with the state of Kansas to move forward toward construction of the Central Utility Plant,” U.S. Senator Jerry Moran said. “The facts are clear: without the capabilities NBAF provides, our country is at risk from foreign animal disease threats. This is even more significant with the damage Plum Island sustained during Hurricane Sandy and the millions of dollars that are needed to repair it, all of which offers more reason to move quickly on NBAF. Construction should begin immediately.”
The state of Kansas has committed $105 million dollars of matching state funds to the NBAF project and $35 million dollars of research funding for transitioning the NBAF mission to Manhattan.
“Today’s Department of Homeland Security decision to sign the land transfer agreement is another step toward ensuring the NBAF will be built in Manhattan, Kansas. We have worked hard to secure the Congressional commitment to make the NBAF a reality, and this step forward will allow construction to begin early next year,” U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins said. “Our nation needs the NBAF—we need it as soon as possible—to continue critical research that will protect the public and our livestock from the threats of devastating diseases.”
The $650 million laboratory will research and develop countermeasures to animal, human, and zoonotic diseases. So far the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has invested more than $125 million into site preparation, engineering, design, and site specific risk-assessments.
U.S. Rep. Tim Huelskamp said, “Today's announcement is a solid next step toward getting NBAF literally off the ground. We are excited that Kansas is going to play an instrumental role in critical research to protect America's farmers and ranchers."
A January 2012 economic impact report found the NBAF will employ approximately 326 permanent workers and support about 757 construction jobs. It is expected to have a $3.5 billion economic impact on the state in the facility’s first 20 years of use.
“This land transfer agreement marks an important milestone for NBAF’s construction in Kansas and the security of our nation’s food supply. Hard work and long hours put in by many Kansans is paying off. I will continue working in Congress to ensure this important national security project is completed,” U.S. Rep. Mike Pompeo said.
U.S. Rep. Kevin Yoder said, “The land grant agreement is great news for national security and the state of Kansas. I'm glad Kansas can continue moving forward with this project and that construction of this extremely important facility can begin in the near future."
Gov. Brownback and the federal delegation said they will continue to strongly pursue federal funding of the facility.
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99% sure the guy on the right used to work at Pita Pit. :sdeek:
Post by: _33 on January 02, 2013, 03:44:50 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 02, 2013, 04:30:39 PM
Post by: Pete on January 02, 2013, 05:59:43 PM
I'm so excited. Looks like this is really going to happen. A great feeling after all we've been through.
I spoke with a Manhattan municipal infrastructure guy (can't remember the exact title) this weekend, and he said that from their perspective it's 100% moving forward....they have a bunch of work to do.
Post by: Pete on January 02, 2013, 06:08:46 PM
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RED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 02, 2013, 06:19:03 PM
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As of the 2010 census, the ?SA had a population of 127,081.[2]
manhattan MSA, up 18k from 2000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_metropolitan_area
who knows what measure of population they use though. red lobster is so gross anyway... :barf:
Post by: kim carnes on January 02, 2013, 06:32:35 PM
Post by: bones129 on January 02, 2013, 06:39:15 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 03, 2013, 03:48:41 PM
QuoteRED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
How did Salina get a Red Lobster?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 03, 2013, 03:53:14 PM
QuoteRED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
How did Salina get a Red Lobster?
It's a power center
Post by: 0.42 on January 03, 2013, 03:54:24 PM
QuoteRED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
How did Salina get a Red Lobster?
Salina's part of the MHK metro area and the metro area's population is 127,000 fwiw. I think it's a similar reason why San Marcos has a Red Lobster when its population is 48,000. It's part of the Austin metro area.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 03, 2013, 03:59:54 PM
QuoteRED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
How did Salina get a Red Lobster?
Salina's part of the MHK metro area and the metro area's population is 127,000 fwiw. I think it's a similar reason why San Marcos has a Red Lobster when its population is 48,000. It's part of the Austin metro area.
i mean, i guess it depends how you want to combine things but i don't see anyway to combine mhk, salina and everything in between and only come up with 127k. also they aren't in the same msa.
the manhattan msa (metropolitan statistical area) alone is 130k and the 4th largest in ks. boom take that lawrence msa. face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_statistical_areas
Post by: star seed 7 on January 03, 2013, 04:05:06 PM
my guess would be salina is a big stopping point for I-70 travel (basically the first sign of life since denver when traveling east) and the junction of an I-35 spur, so the traffic count is much higher than similar sized cities.
Post by: 0.42 on January 03, 2013, 04:16:46 PM
Post by: hemmy on January 03, 2013, 04:20:52 PM
QuoteRED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
How did Salina get a Red Lobster?
That lot they have in Salina in the mall's parking lot was probably cheap.
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Post by: wes mantooth on January 06, 2013, 08:04:24 PM
Post by: ben ji on January 06, 2013, 08:13:01 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 06, 2013, 08:31:28 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 06, 2013, 09:24:07 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 06, 2013, 09:59:45 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 07, 2013, 10:08:21 AM
Post by: pissclams on January 07, 2013, 10:20:27 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 07, 2013, 10:21:36 AM
Post by: pissclams on January 07, 2013, 10:22:55 AM
Post by: SabiNation on January 07, 2013, 11:07:38 AM
Post by: _33 on January 07, 2013, 11:08:48 AM
Post by: eastcat on January 07, 2013, 05:31:02 PM
Post by: wes mantooth on January 07, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
Is it weird that i'm so pumped up for this guys!?! :excited:
yeah it's totally weird, read all the other posts dumbass
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2013, 08:40:06 PM
Post by: kitten_mittons on January 07, 2013, 08:46:52 PM
The CDC buliding in Atlanta (The Walking Dead) had a lot of nearly indestructable glass. :dunno:You mean the glass in the window that they destroyed?
Post by: treysolid on January 07, 2013, 09:29:18 PM
Post by: jtksu on January 08, 2013, 10:26:25 AM
they'll use hurricane glass. rated to ~ 150 mph.
Cool, cause I was awful worried about hurricanes.
Post by: Mr Bread on January 08, 2013, 10:30:06 AM
Post by: wabash909 on January 08, 2013, 10:33:01 AM
Post by: pissclams on January 08, 2013, 10:35:37 AM
They did a phenomenal job of making it look like a place that's totally not full of stuff that could kill the entire community. #bitb
if by "community" you mean the entire world's food supply, ya they did go #bitb on us
Post by: puniraptor on January 08, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on January 08, 2013, 10:42:00 AM
They did a phenomenal job of making it look like a place that's totally not full of stuff that could kill the entire community. #bitb
if by "community" you mean the entire world's food supply, ya they did go #bitb on us
I just meant mhk. Maybe kc. Yep, kc too. Sorry clams, but you're as good as dead.
Post by: pissclams on January 08, 2013, 10:50:03 AM
also good thing i moved so far away from this thing that no matter what, my food supply will be untouched and in pristine condition. unlike many of you, some people plan ahead.
this thing is a complete joke to me and my entire ecosystem.
Post by: pissclams on January 08, 2013, 10:51:12 AM
Post by: Pete on January 08, 2013, 10:59:36 AM
Let's brainstorm ways we could make money on this.
Think, what do animal and plant people like? Or, what would be a nice change of pace for them...you stare at animals and plants all day, and you may need a break, ya know?
What about a video arcade right next door? Maybe have like a plant/animal free section, but then another section that DOES have plants/animals (some of those fuckers probably love that crap 24-7).
Post by: Mr Bread on January 08, 2013, 11:02:54 AM
We need to capitalize in this NBAF thing.
Let's brainstorm ways we could make money on this.
Think, what do animal and plant people like? Or, what would be a nice change of pace for them...you stare at animals and plants all day, and you may need a break, ya know?
What about a video arcade right next door? Maybe have like a plant/animal free section, but then another section that DOES have plants/animals (some of those fuckers probably love that crap 24-7).
Massage parlor with complimentary gameboy tetris during. Plants and animals in some rooms and not in others.
Post by: pissclams on January 08, 2013, 11:06:37 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 08, 2013, 11:38:14 AM
When is the swarm of six figure brainiacs coming to inflate mhk housing costs?I was serious about the tent, I am going to camp out and hand these guys the y-l_a business card
Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2013, 11:39:50 AM
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2013, 11:41:49 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 08, 2013, 11:47:01 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2013, 11:53:28 AM
should I wear gloves when shaking their hand?
are you a cow?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 08, 2013, 11:57:53 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2013, 11:58:23 AM
come on steve dave you jokester a typing cow? that sounds udderly impossible.
:D
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2013, 11:58:39 AM
Man oh man.
Who will play the lab director in the movies . . . the guy who just wants to forge ahead with everything because he's got his eyes on that DHS Whitehouse posting . . . never mind safety and protocols, just do it.
Post by: mocat on January 08, 2013, 12:00:39 PM
Think of the documdrama's that are now coming . . . and Dustin Hoffman in BioHazard suit flying over in a helicoptor.
Man oh man.
Who will play the lab director in the movies . . . the guy who just wants to forge ahead with everything because he's got his eyes on that DHS Whitehouse posting . . . never mind safety and protocols, just do it.
You really have your "old" schtick down.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2013, 12:04:59 PM
Post by: ben ji on January 08, 2013, 12:54:41 PM
Outbreak man, Outbreak.
Tannahill tries to lead the breakout in his truck
Post by: DQ12 on January 08, 2013, 02:13:21 PM
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 08, 2013, 02:17:06 PM
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2013, 02:17:48 PM
We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
Chlorine
Post by: eastcat on January 08, 2013, 03:52:49 PM
We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
I don't know if you guys are using this a joke but there is an actual man-made lazy river deal/initiative for Jardine in the plans. It's wacky as eff and will probably be totally K-StateO'd up but it's there.
Post by: 8manpick on January 08, 2013, 03:54:32 PM
We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
I don't know if you guys are using this a joke but there is an actual man-made lazy river deal/initiative for Jardine in the plans. It's wacky as eff and will probably be totally K-StateO'd up but it's there.
:runaway: :runaway: :excited: :excited: :D :D
Post by: DQ12 on January 08, 2013, 03:55:03 PM
:surprised:We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
I don't know if you guys are using this a joke but there is an actual man-made lazy river deal/initiative for Jardine in the plans. It's wacky as eff and will probably be totally K-StateO'd up but it's there.
Post by: eastcat on January 08, 2013, 04:12:16 PM
:surprised:We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
I don't know if you guys are using this a joke but there is an actual man-made lazy river deal/initiative for Jardine in the plans. It's wacky as eff and will probably be totally K-StateO'd up but it's there.
I did a walkthrough with the KSU PD on it about 4 weeks ago. All of Jardine except the perimeter roads will be shut off to traffic and replaced with "super sidewalks" which is basically a sidewalk wide and strong enough to accommodate a fire truck. The 'lazy river' flows down the north side from west to east kinda by the rec. It necessitates Edwards hall getting removed or else the lazy river will flood it when it rains. KSU PD and public safety is being moved from Edwards to the basement of Lafene after they kick out the Mercy heath people that currently rent it and HR is being moved to Fairchild hall.
Post by: DQ12 on January 08, 2013, 04:15:36 PM
Is it going to be a mode of transportation or is it going to be strictly recreational?:surprised:We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
I don't know if you guys are using this a joke but there is an actual man-made lazy river deal/initiative for Jardine in the plans. It's wacky as eff and will probably be totally K-StateO'd up but it's there.
I did a walkthrough with the KSU PD on it about 4 weeks ago. All of Jardine except the perimeter roads will be shut off to traffic and replaced with "super sidewalks" which is basically a sidewalk wide and strong enough to accommodate a fire truck. The 'lazy river' flows down the north side from west to east kinda by the rec. It necessitates Edwards hall getting removed or else the lazy river will flood it when it rains. KSU PD and public safety is being moved from Edwards to the basement of Lafene after they kick out the Mercy heath people that currently rent it and HR is being moved to Fairchild hall.
Post by: puniraptor on January 08, 2013, 04:16:38 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on January 08, 2013, 05:08:32 PM
Post by: _33 on January 08, 2013, 11:37:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqvezArxmA&feature=youtu.be
Post by: DQ12 on January 09, 2013, 12:32:06 AM
:lol:
what a payoff at the end.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 09, 2013, 06:07:41 AM
I love the grass clippings on the one rendering. So...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqvezArxmA&feature=youtu.be
lmao. great job.
Post by: Pete on January 09, 2013, 08:36:36 AM
I love the grass clippings on the one rendering. So...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqvezArxmA&feature=youtu.be
lmao. great job.
Ya, that was awesome.
Post by: SabiNation on January 09, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2013, 07:56:17 AM
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Re: GTM announced today their new expansion will add 650 new Man jobs Reply
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Originally posted by gitrdone!:
They are bringing in a new high tech ink printing process for clothing that is currently only available overseas and takes two weeks to turn out an order. Having the facility in Manhattan will reduce that turnaround to 2-3 days. Will be adding new jobs across the whole company spectrum. They will have approx 1200-1300 total employees. Major deal for Manhattan.
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They're actually already well over 1000 employees. With the growth generated from this expansion, the conservative estimate is 725 jobs based on 15% growth over the next 4 years. They have since increased their expected growth in that same time frame to 30% annually. Those projections lead to approx 900 or 1000 more jobs instead of the 650-725.
:thumbs:
Post by: puniraptor on January 31, 2013, 08:10:55 AM
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Originally posted by gitrdone!:
They are bringing in a new high tech ink printing process for clothing that is currently only available overseas and takes two weeks to turn out an order. Having the facility in Manhattan will reduce that turnaround to 2-3 days. Will be adding new jobs across the whole company spectrum. They will have approx 1200-1300 total employees. Major deal for Manhattan.
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They're actually already well over 1000 employees. With the growth generated from this expansion, the conservative estimate is 725 jobs based on 15% growth over the next 4 years. They have since increased their expected growth in that same time frame to 30% annually. Those projections lead to approx 900 or 1000 more jobs instead of the 650-725.
:thumbs:
projected boom in NBAF six figure egghead softball team shirts
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 09:02:13 AM
QuoteRe: GTM announced today their new expansion will add 650 new Man jobs Reply
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Originally posted by gitrdone!:
They are bringing in a new high tech ink printing process for clothing that is currently only available overseas and takes two weeks to turn out an order. Having the facility in Manhattan will reduce that turnaround to 2-3 days. Will be adding new jobs across the whole company spectrum. They will have approx 1200-1300 total employees. Major deal for Manhattan.
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They're actually already well over 1000 employees. With the growth generated from this expansion, the conservative estimate is 725 jobs based on 15% growth over the next 4 years. They have since increased their expected growth in that same time frame to 30% annually. Those projections lead to approx 900 or 1000 more jobs instead of the 650-725.
:thumbs:
So what you're saying SD is that GTM will be the only firm in the United States that can do this high tech ink printing! :horrorsurprise:
Post by: eastcat on January 31, 2013, 09:33:34 AM
I hope I am wrong though.
Post by: _33 on January 31, 2013, 09:36:52 AM
Not to offend any Townie's big hopes but I wouldn't be surprised if GTM is not around on 10 years. I have seen their financials and they aren't as 'great' as they are publicly portrayed.
I hope I am wrong though.
Don't worry, I'm sure you are.
Post by: 'taterblast on January 31, 2013, 09:37:56 AM
Post by: GoodForAnother on January 31, 2013, 01:38:57 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2013, 01:40:13 PM
the guy who owns GTM also owns freddys frozen chicken nuggets which makes like a gazillion dollars a day so I think he'll be ok
a kstate bro of mine moved out to San Diego to open, like, 40 of those chicken nuggets places
Post by: GoodForAnother on January 31, 2013, 01:50:53 PM
the guy who owns GTM also owns freddys frozen chicken nuggets which makes like a gazillion dollars a day so I think he'll be ok
a kstate bro of mine moved out to San Diego to open, like, 40 of those chicken nuggets places
just another highly successful wichita fast food chain. it's the one thing they do well.
Post by: mocat on January 31, 2013, 02:00:37 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2013, 02:02:39 PM
When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
rich guys love shitty bbq
Post by: star seed 7 on January 31, 2013, 02:03:44 PM
the guy who owns GTM also owns freddys frozen chicken nuggets which makes like a gazillion dollars a day so I think he'll be ok
a kstate bro of mine moved out to San Diego to open, like, 40 of those chicken nuggets places
john dougie :horrorsurprise:
Post by: DQ12 on January 31, 2013, 05:39:56 PM
name a better bbq place in mhk, hot shot.When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
rich guys love shitty bbq
Post by: Cire on January 31, 2013, 05:40:57 PM
Post by: bones129 on January 31, 2013, 05:53:21 PM
Is cox bros the one near walmart or is that famous dave's?
Cox Bros
Post by: star seed 7 on January 31, 2013, 05:55:06 PM
name a better bbq place in mhk, hot shot.When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
rich guys love shitty bbq
that's like naming the best turd sandwich in a turd sandwich competition. cox's sauce is terrible and watery.
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2013, 06:08:06 PM
name a better bbq place in mhk, hot shot.When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
rich guys love shitty bbq
Gross, prolly famous Dave's as awful as that is
Post by: star seed 7 on January 31, 2013, 06:08:26 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 31, 2013, 07:39:46 PM
name a better bbq place in mhk, hot shot.When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
rich guys love shitty bbq
that's like naming the best turd sandwich in a turd sandwich competition. cox's sauce is terrible and watery.
which one?
Post by: wes mantooth on January 31, 2013, 07:56:29 PM
Post by: DQ12 on January 31, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
famous Dave'slol
out of curiosity how many times have you been to cox bros in mhk? i bet less than 2.
Post by: kim carnes on January 31, 2013, 09:59:13 PM
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 31, 2013, 10:00:39 PM
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
Post by: DQ12 on January 31, 2013, 10:03:48 PM
Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 31, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Waiting for Jakesie to rule on whether or not it is a divebar.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 31, 2013, 11:10:28 PM
Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Its not very cheap. At least not for the terrible BBQ that they serve
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 31, 2013, 11:24:10 PM
Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Waiting for Jakesie to rule on whether or not it is a divebar.
No, too much food for a divebar. More like a divebbq! :lol:
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 31, 2013, 11:24:56 PM
Post by: bones129 on January 31, 2013, 11:30:55 PM
But yes, Famous Dave's is the best BBQ in MHK. Sorry to break it to you, Cox Bros' bros.
True this. And you get more BBQ for your buck. :lick:
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 31, 2013, 11:43:40 PM
Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
yep. pretty good for Manhattan, KS. ;)
Post by: slobber on January 31, 2013, 11:51:05 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2013, 01:12:51 AM
yeah, i mean, what more could mhk possibly expect? after all, it's not Salina or Topeka or Lawrence or any one of the KC/Wichita area suburbs.Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
yep. pretty good for Manhattan, KS. ;)
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2013, 01:13:28 AM
:grin:
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 01, 2013, 01:16:25 AM
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 01, 2013, 02:01:59 AM
One of my main issues with MHK is that it doesn't have a local BBQ place that really knocks your socks off. Cox Bros is pretty meh if you ask me, or really, anybody else outside of Dave Dreiling. Maybe, just maybe, someday I'll be the owner of a knock-your-socks-off BBQ place in Manhattan. I'd really enjoy that.
I'd invest a lot of money into a Jakesie owned bbq joint. I'd invest every cent I have into a Jakesie owned BBQ joint by day/bar by night. Every. Single. Cent.
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 01, 2013, 02:05:04 AM
One of my main issues with MHK is that it doesn't have a local BBQ place that really knocks your socks off. Cox Bros is pretty meh if you ask me, or really, anybody else outside of Dave Dreiling. Maybe, just maybe, someday I'll be the owner of a knock-your-socks-off BBQ place in Manhattan. I'd really enjoy that.
BBQ joint by day/bar by night.
Well of course that's what it'd be.
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 01, 2013, 02:09:23 AM
One of my main issues with MHK is that it doesn't have a local BBQ place that really knocks your socks off. Cox Bros is pretty meh if you ask me, or really, anybody else outside of Dave Dreiling. Maybe, just maybe, someday I'll be the owner of a knock-your-socks-off BBQ place in Manhattan. I'd really enjoy that.
BBQ joint by day/bar by night.
Well of course that's what it'd be.
Please take over Pat's.
Post by: mocat on February 01, 2013, 04:55:37 AM
Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2013, 05:17:12 AM
famous Dave'slol
out of curiosity how many times have you been to cox bros in mhk? i bet less than 2.
prolly about 10 times. I really wanted to like it.
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2013, 08:32:42 AM
wow. i was wrong!famous Dave'slol
out of curiosity how many times have you been to cox bros in mhk? i bet less than 2.
prolly about 10 times. I really wanted to like it.
Post by: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 09:22:13 AM
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 01, 2013, 09:24:26 AM
Post by: mocat on February 01, 2013, 09:27:01 AM
I've never been to any bbq place that really knocked my socks off. Most of them are dirty, offer poor service, and offer low quality food that is smoked and covered with bbq sauce to taste ok. It's good for the price, I guess.
go to the jack stack freight house you snob
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 01, 2013, 09:27:36 AM
Post by: GoodForAnother on February 01, 2013, 09:50:23 AM
I've never been to any bbq place that really knocked my socks off. Most of them are dirty, offer poor service, and offer low quality food that is smoked and covered with bbq sauce to taste ok. It's good for the price, I guess.
go to the jack stack freight house you snob
:love:
Post by: CNS on February 01, 2013, 09:52:32 AM
I've never been to any bbq place that really knocked my socks off. Most of them are dirty, offer poor service, and offer low quality food that is smoked and covered with bbq sauce to taste ok. It's good for the price, I guess.
go to the jack stack freight house you snob
:lovelove:
Yeah, pretty much the only reason I miss officing downtown.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 01, 2013, 10:01:16 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 01, 2013, 10:28:56 AM
Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
Post by: ben ji on February 01, 2013, 10:32:26 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2013, 10:32:52 AM
Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
I think if you can't remember how awesome it was then it wasn't very good. Like I've been to Cox Bros but I can't really remember anything about it. Pretty average, I guess. But I'm spoiled because Okie Joe's is like within potato gun distance of me.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 01, 2013, 10:34:31 AM
i've had lots of knock your socks off bbq, maybe you just don't like bbq?????
Maybe. I mean I'll eat it. I just don't see what's so great about it.
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2013, 11:45:53 AM
it's because generally people that live in, or have ever lived in ks, and especially kc, are huge entitled dicks about anything bbq related. they feel like because they eat a z-man regularly they get to pretty much think any non-kc bbq place is complete crap.Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), really.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 11:46:02 AM
Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
dlew and you are on the same side then _fan. neither of you dislike it. i didn't care for it much but i've only had it once so i should give it another shot sometime. sd says he's had it like ten times and doesn't like it which seems like a lot of times to try something you don't like which makes me think that he actually does like putting cox in his mouth and is just saying he doesn't. heeyo! badumbum! i'll be here all night folks! don't forget to tip bartenders and waitresses! :dance:
Post by: GoodForAnother on February 01, 2013, 11:49:26 AM
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2013, 11:50:56 AM
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
Post by: mocat on February 01, 2013, 12:09:15 PM
Post by: 0.42 on February 01, 2013, 12:27:13 PM
DLew you are totally right about the KC BBQ palette being extremely advanced, rendering most other BBQ gross. Being dicks about it doesn't make KC folks wrong about it. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your Kraft/KC Masterpiece.
Same thing happens with Texans. Once you've had Lockhart's bbq or city market in luling you tend to mush everything else. County Line? GTFOOMF.
(note: this is not an attempt to start a KC/TX bbq debate. The best of both types are great.)
Post by: _33 on February 01, 2013, 12:29:54 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 12:32:47 PM
DLew you are totally right about the KC BBQ palette being extremely advanced, rendering most other BBQ gross. Being dicks about it doesn't make KC folks wrong about it. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your Kraft/KC Masterpiece.
Same thing happens with Texans. Once you've had Lockhart's bbq or city market in luling you tend to mush everything else. County Line? GTFOOMF.
(note: this is not an attempt to start a KC/TX bbq debate. The best of both types are great.)
what a hilarious idea for a debate though. ok let's debate what's better, good bbq or texas bbq. my hypothesis is good bbq. ding dong, debate over, class dismissed and see you all on monday.
Post by: 0.42 on February 01, 2013, 12:35:12 PM
DLew you are totally right about the KC BBQ palette being extremely advanced, rendering most other BBQ gross. Being dicks about it doesn't make KC folks wrong about it. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your Kraft/KC Masterpiece.
Same thing happens with Texans. Once you've had Lockhart's bbq or city market in luling you tend to mush everything else. County Line? GTFOOMF.
(note: this is not an attempt to start a KC/TX bbq debate. The best of both types are great.)
what a hilarious idea for a debate though. ok let's debate what's better, good bbq or texas bbq. my hypothesis is good bbq. ding dong, debate over, class dismissed and see you all on monday.
:giganticdubioushead:
Post by: ChiComCat on February 01, 2013, 12:35:53 PM
i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
The best way I've seen it ran in smallish towns is "we make x amount and when we run out, we run out." People will accept that if the food is good.
Post by: wetwillie on February 01, 2013, 12:39:45 PM
i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
The best way I've seen it ran in smallish towns is "we make x amount and when we run out, we run out." People will accept that if the food is good.
Might as well have just put Roys in your post you homer.
Post by: mocat on February 01, 2013, 12:40:35 PM
DLew you are totally right about the KC BBQ palette being extremely advanced, rendering most other BBQ gross. Being dicks about it doesn't make KC folks wrong about it. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your Kraft/KC Masterpiece.
Same thing happens with Texans. Once you've had Lockhart's bbq or city market in luling you tend to mush everything else. County Line? GTFOOMF.
(note: this is not an attempt to start a KC/TX bbq debate. The best of both types are great.)
Yeah Texas is obsessed with dry rub and beef-only. But the point is, both are good at what they do and your average person not from a BBQ hotbed has a god-awful BBQ palette. Take the middle of Kansas for example.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 01, 2013, 12:54:24 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 12:57:47 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on February 01, 2013, 12:59:04 PM
i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
The best way I've seen it ran in smallish towns is "we make x amount and when we run out, we run out." People will accept that if the food is good.
Might as well have just put Roys in your post you homer.
:thumbsup:
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 01, 2013, 01:05:33 PM
Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
did you try the other 3 sauces?
Post by: Gooch on February 01, 2013, 01:07:28 PM
Easy to rack up profits and expand when you don't pay your employees properly. :blindfold:QuoteRe: GTM announced today their new expansion will add 650 new Man jobs Reply
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Originally posted by gitrdone!:
They are bringing in a new high tech ink printing process for clothing that is currently only available overseas and takes two weeks to turn out an order. Having the facility in Manhattan will reduce that turnaround to 2-3 days. Will be adding new jobs across the whole company spectrum. They will have approx 1200-1300 total employees. Major deal for Manhattan.
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They're actually already well over 1000 employees. With the growth generated from this expansion, the conservative estimate is 725 jobs based on 15% growth over the next 4 years. They have since increased their expected growth in that same time frame to 30% annually. Those projections lead to approx 900 or 1000 more jobs instead of the 650-725.
:thumbs:
http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/morning_call/2013/01/manhattans-gtm-sportswear-must-pay.html
Post by: 8manpick on February 01, 2013, 01:07:42 PM
But yes, Famous Dave's is the best BBQ in MHK. Sorry to break it to you, Cox Bros' bros.
rough ridin' wrong, sorry bro. FD's is third. Pat's is better than FD's garbage.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 01:12:30 PM
Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
ot here guys but what about a restaurant called "sauces". then you have like 101 different sauces that people can order on their food. medium green wasabi sauce fries with scotch bonnet sauced texas toast and hot peanut sauce pasta. maybe even call your "alcohol" drinks sauces or serve them in containers that are typically reserved for sauces. t-shirts that say something like "sauces, mhk. come and get sauced" and then there is like a tongue hanging out or something. :dunno:
Post by: kso_FAN on February 01, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
did you try the other 3 sauces?
Yeah, I don't agree with the premise of sauce makes the BBQ at all.
Consistently producing flavorful, moist BBQ is the art of it, unless you are talking pulled pork. IMO pulled pork is the easiest BBQ to produce.
But to make good burnt ends is difficult, and OK Joes does it the best. Then a good brisket (ABs) or sliced pork (Gates). Then sausage (ABs).
Cox Bros isn't as good as any of those, but IMO their brisket and sausage are still very good. I'll eat their pulled pork to, but again, I don't judge any BBQ place by pulled pork.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 01:25:42 PM
Post by: 8manpick on February 01, 2013, 01:31:45 PM
Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
did you try the other 3 sauces?
Yeah, I don't agree with the premise of sauce makes the BBQ at all.
Consistently producing flavorful, moist BBQ is the art of it, unless you are talking pulled pork. IMO pulled pork is the easiest BBQ to produce.
But to make good burnt ends is difficult, and OK Joes does it the best. Then a good brisket (ABs) or sliced pork (Gates). Then sausage (ABs).
Cox Bros isn't as good as any of those, but IMO their brisket and sausage are still very good. I'll eat their pulled pork to, but again, I don't judge any BBQ place by pulled pork.
Totally agree. Good sauce can cover up mediocre barbecue, but good barbecue stands on it's own.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 01:32:45 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 01:34:22 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2013, 01:35:43 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 01:36:30 PM
Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
did you try the other 3 sauces?
Yeah, I don't agree with the premise of sauce makes the BBQ at all.
Consistently producing flavorful, moist BBQ is the art of it, unless you are talking pulled pork. IMO pulled pork is the easiest BBQ to produce.
But to make good burnt ends is difficult, and OK Joes does it the best. Then a good brisket (ABs) or sliced pork (Gates). Then sausage (ABs).
Cox Bros isn't as good as any of those, but IMO their brisket and sausage are still very good. I'll eat their pulled pork to, but again, I don't judge any BBQ place by pulled pork.
burnt ends aren't very hard imo. also jack stack's burnt ends are the best in the city, although they kind of cheat (so does Joes) by just cubing up the brisket flat instead of only using the point which is what you're supposed to do.
Post by: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 01:37:01 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 01:37:56 PM
Post by: mocat on February 01, 2013, 01:38:29 PM
the waitresses (huge jugs btw) could be called the Saucy Posse.
THE 'CUE CREW
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 01:39:19 PM
the waitresses (huge jugs btw) could be called the Saucy Posse.
:emawkid:
Post by: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 01:40:50 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2013, 01:42:46 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 01:44:28 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on February 01, 2013, 01:47:03 PM
you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."KC BBQ snobs do this with the local chains now with the "i think the old OK Joes/ABs/etc tastes better than new location X"
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 01, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
burnt ends aren't very hard imo. also jack stack's burnt ends are the best in the city, although they kind of cheat (so does Joes) by just cubing up the brisket flat instead of only using the point which is what you're supposed to do.
Yeah, Jack Stack's are very good. I guess I've had plenty of burnt ends that aren't very good (like ABs). And if they cheat that way, that would explain a lot. I just know I really like OK Joes BEs a lot.
And I'm on board with this sauce place.
I'm thinking they should have something on the wall like the Flying Saucer that honors customers that eat all the sauces. In fact, just steal the concept, call the place Flying Sauces, and use the sauces on tap idea instead of beers.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 01, 2013, 01:52:59 PM
Post by: GoodForAnother on February 01, 2013, 01:54:12 PM
you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."KC BBQ snobs do this with the local chains now with the "i think the old OK Joes/ABs/etc tastes better than new location X"
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
someone told me that ok joes makes all their meat on the same smoker at the original location and ships it to the new locations every day. not sure if true. either way it sure is great living in kc and having better bbq than everyone else in the world, guys.
Post by: Skipper44 on February 01, 2013, 01:55:11 PM
:thumbs:you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."KC BBQ snobs do this with the local chains now with the "i think the old OK Joes/ABs/etc tastes better than new location X"
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
someone told me that ok joes makes all their meat on the same smoker at the original location and ships it to the new locations every day. not sure if true. either way it sure is great living in kc and having better bbq than everyone else in the world, guys.
Post by: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 01:55:36 PM
not true. they have smokers cooking outside in the back of their leawood location.you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."KC BBQ snobs do this with the local chains now with the "i think the old OK Joes/ABs/etc tastes better than new location X"
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
someone told me that ok joes makes all their meat on the same smoker at the original location and ships it to the new locations every day. not sure if true. either way it sure is great living in kc and having better bbq than everyone else in the world, guys.
Post by: 8manpick on February 01, 2013, 01:55:53 PM
you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
As a KC BBQ snob, I don't think onion rings have any place on the sandwich.
Post by: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 01:56:20 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 01:56:40 PM
you get to pick one meat or two meats for an extra two dollars or something and then those get put on a kebob. then you also get to choose up to four different fruits/vegatables to also put on the kebob and then the different sauces that you want to be able to dip your meat into or whatever.
example- yeah i'd like chicken and pork (upcharge of $2 for two meats) bobs with red onion, cherry tomatoes, pineaple and mushrooms and also the jerk and medium chipotle sauces.
we could change the shirts to be like "i got sauced at bobs" or "bob got me sauced" or something.
Post by: 8manpick on February 01, 2013, 02:00:32 PM
Post by: GoodForAnother on February 01, 2013, 02:01:29 PM
not true. they have smokers cooking outside in the back of their leawood location.you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."KC BBQ snobs do this with the local chains now with the "i think the old OK Joes/ABs/etc tastes better than new location X"
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
someone told me that ok joes makes all their meat on the same smoker at the original location and ships it to the new locations every day. not sure if true. either way it sure is great living in kc and having better bbq than everyone else in the world, guys.
thanks. I will go punch the guy that told me that.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2013, 02:01:32 PM
Post by: GoodForAnother on February 01, 2013, 02:02:15 PM
Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
the fries are very good and I enjoy the z man, but their burnt ends are the best thing they make. that said LC's burnt ends are better.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 02:05:56 PM
Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
take it to the okie joe thread. :jerk:
Post by: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 02:17:32 PM
Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
their fries are loaded with MSG.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2013, 02:20:36 PM
Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
their fries are loaded with MSG.
Might as well be loaded with arsenic and AIDS. Don't care.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 02:28:52 PM
Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
their fries are loaded with MSG.
Might as well be loaded with arsenic and AIDS. Don't care.
that's a lie and you know it.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 01, 2013, 02:31:55 PM
shots could be served in ketchup packets
also i somehow overlooked this. that would be amazing. "two tequila shots at table seven" and then the bar tender just throws a couple of packets over at the table and they rip em and chug em and then the whole place explodes with applause because everyone is just having so much fun.
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on February 01, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
did you try the other 3 sauces?
Yeah, I don't agree with the premise of sauce makes the BBQ at all.
Consistently producing flavorful, moist BBQ is the art of it.
Anything the NBAF can do to MHK cows & pigs to make them more tasty/moist? :dunno:
We'll put all those KC joints out of business.
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2013, 02:59:54 PM
at the sauce place they could have a sauce fire hose that they use to spray down people who come in on their birthday.that could probably create a pretty big mess. there might have to be a "Birthday Sauce Splash Zone" area covered in tarps and stuff
Post by: ben ji on February 01, 2013, 03:05:44 PM
Man, I just realized what thread we are in... the mods have let this crap run wild, must be casual bbs'n friday
They dont care :cry:
Hey guyz, how about you take your BBQ thread elsewhere and stop cluttering our awesome NBAF thread with nonsense.
Post by: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 04:28:32 PM
at the sauce place they could have a sauce fire hose that they use to spray down people who come in on their birthday.that could probably create a pretty big mess. there might have to be a "Birthday Sauce Splash Zone" area covered in tarps and stuff
best idea i've read in years, the BSSZ can have a special "survivors" shirt for people who can survive the sauce hose without falling down
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 01, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
:surprised:
Post by: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: wes mantooth on February 01, 2013, 05:49:15 PM
i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
This is a really good point. Probably why i've only had Cox at football tailgates, straight off the smoker, very good. Haven't been to actual restaurant.
Post by: Cire on February 01, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
That's every bbq place in the world. Gates, Bryant s, jackstack, ojoes all have walk ins full of food.
Post by: p1k3 on February 01, 2013, 10:28:01 PM
i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
That's every bbq place in the world. Gates, Bryant s, jackstack, ojoes all have walk ins full of food.
Disagree. I've worked in like 6 restaurants in my day and have only seen that in chains. Famous Dave's fits the bill, Bryant's does not.
Clams is spot on, imo.
Post by: p1k3 on February 01, 2013, 10:31:36 PM
i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
That's every bbq place in the world. Gates, Bryant s, jackstack, ojoes all have walk ins full of food.
Disagree. I've worked in like 6 restaurants in my day and have only seen that in chains. Famous Dave's fits the bill, Bryant's does not.
Clams is spot on, imo.
just re read this. Not sure if you're agreeing with clams or not. I will review when I sober up
Post by: Cire on February 02, 2013, 07:21:33 AM
i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
That's every bbq place in the world. Gates, Bryant s, jackstack, ojoes all have walk ins full of food.
Disagree. I've worked in like 6 restaurants in my day and have only seen that in chains. Famous Dave's fits the bill, Bryant's does not.
Clams is spot on, imo.
I've been in every single one of those places coolers and have seen it with my own two eyes. Worked for a Budweiser distributor in high school and college, I've been in like every kitchen in the world.
Post by: Pete on February 02, 2013, 09:17:40 AM
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 02, 2013, 10:07:09 AM
When I have questions about BBQ restaurant cooking practices, I turn to the NBAF thread.
+1
Post by: pissclams on February 02, 2013, 10:38:03 AM
When I have questions about BBQ restaurant cooking practices, I turn to the NBAF thread.
would love to know who doesn't.
Post by: mocat on February 04, 2013, 12:25:43 AM
Post by: SabiNation on February 04, 2013, 09:24:39 AM
Bob's Sauce Toss. It would be like ring toss, with miniature sauce bottles.
"Toss a ring into the bottle pit and aim for your favorite sauce! Try to win your own bottle of sauce to lather onto your delicious kebob/bbq at Bob's Sauce and Sugar Shack!"
Charge a buck or something and stock the pit with all of the different kinds of sauce! The best way to do it would be to stock it largely with the least popular sauce (let's face it every bbq place has a "weak link" when it comes to sauces) and then varying amounts of the sauces with medium to high popularity. But also include at least one bottle of sauce that is the super secret sauce that is only available in the Sauce Toss!
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2013, 09:33:40 AM
Post by: pissclams on February 04, 2013, 09:35:24 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2013, 09:46:54 AM
Post by: pissclams on February 04, 2013, 10:00:58 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2013, 10:01:30 AM
Post by: pissclams on February 04, 2013, 10:05:53 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2013, 10:48:46 AM
I bet you have a pet Apache attack helicopter or something. :rolleyes:
Post by: wes mantooth on February 04, 2013, 12:48:13 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2013, 12:49:03 PM
Post by: wes mantooth on February 04, 2013, 12:55:19 PM
Don't wanna die. That was the biggest reason.
I've eaten plenty of z-man's (with cheese like a normal person), and i'm still here typing this message to your dumbass.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2013, 12:59:31 PM
Don't wanna die. That was the biggest reason.
I've eaten plenty of z-man's (with cheese like a normal person), and i'm still here typing this message to your dumbass.
A z-man with cheese isn't unilaterally lethal. Might make fingers type stupid things on keyboards though.
Post by: 8manpick on February 04, 2013, 01:42:37 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 04, 2013, 02:33:42 PM
Cheese can GTFOOMBBQS
This. Cheese and BBQ sounds pretty damn hayseedy.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2013, 10:29:47 PM
it's because generally people that live in, or have ever lived in ks, and especially kc, are huge entitled dicks about anything bbq related. they feel like because they eat a z-man regularly they get to pretty much think any non-kc bbq place is complete crap.Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), really.
kc bbq is really overrated and Gates is actually gross, I'll never eat there again. Best bbq is Julius Rib Cage in Wichita and Leo's in OKC.
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 04, 2013, 10:47:12 PM
it's because generally people that live in, or have ever lived in ks, and especially kc, are huge entitled dicks about anything bbq related. they feel like because they eat a z-man regularly they get to pretty much think any non-kc bbq place is complete crap.Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), really.
kc bbq is really overrated and Gates is actually gross, I'll never eat there again. Best bbq is Julius Rib Cage in Wichita and Leo's in OKC.
Gates would be fine if they didn't use so much goddamn sauce. The bun is completely soggy by three bites in.
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 04, 2013, 10:52:02 PM
it's because generally people that live in, or have ever lived in ks, and especially kc, are huge entitled dicks about anything bbq related. they feel like because they eat a z-man regularly they get to pretty much think any non-kc bbq place is complete crap.Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), really.
kc bbq is really overrated and Gates is actually gross, I'll never eat there again. Best bbq is Julius Rib Cage in Wichita and Leo's in OKC.
Meh. I agree with Gates sucking. But, as Anthony Bourdain said, "OK Joe's is the best BBQ in KC and, therefore, the best in the world.". hyperbole or not, KC has some damn good BBQ. Woodyard BBQ is good, off the beaten path a bit.
Post by: 8manpick on February 04, 2013, 11:03:32 PM
it's because generally people that live in, or have ever lived in ks, and especially kc, are huge entitled dicks about anything bbq related. they feel like because they eat a z-man regularly they get to pretty much think any non-kc bbq place is complete crap.Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), really.
kc bbq is really overrated and Gates is actually gross, I'll never eat there again. Best bbq is Julius Rib Cage in Wichita and Leo's in OKC.
Gates would be fine if they didn't use so much goddamn sauce. The bun is completely soggy by three bites in.
On what sandwich? I assure you this isn't true for the beef and a half or beef on a bun.
Post by: Pete on February 04, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
Will NBAF increase property values in the area east of the parkway? Or, is that area too blighted to respond to overall increased regional economic growth?
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 12:09:48 AM
OKC has the best BBQ IMO. If you want to go deep into the hood you can find the two best places in the world. One of them is on MLK Ave :ohno:
Post by: DQ12 on February 05, 2013, 12:17:31 AM
Jack Stack(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthe-mainboard.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Frespek.gif&hash=226724ac96a97d1869248804fafc0aae379e6567)
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 05, 2013, 12:24:30 AM
Joes isn't even the best BBQ in KC, that'd be Jack Stack. I'm also going to take a pretty educated guess that Bourdain hasn't visited as many rib joints as I have. There are at least three places in Wichita that are better than anything in KC, I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best. All that vinegar in Gates' sauce is horrawful, its like that Memphis crap, just gross.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO. If you want to go deep into the hood you can find the two best places in the world. One of them is on MLK Ave :ohno:
Wichita post.
Post by: Cire on February 05, 2013, 09:14:15 AM
Post by: 8manpick on February 05, 2013, 09:45:21 AM
I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best.
Actually, yes, we have met.
Post by: pissclams on February 05, 2013, 10:00:09 AM
Joes isn't even the best BBQ in KC, that'd be Jack Stack. I'm also going to take a pretty educated guess that Bourdain hasn't visited as many rib joints as I have. There are at least three places in Wichita that are better than anything in KC, I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best. All that vinegar in Gates' sauce is horrawful, its like that Memphis crap, just gross.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO. If you want to go deep into the hood you can find the two best places in the world. One of them is on MLK Ave :ohno:
Wichita post.
agreed
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on February 05, 2013, 10:03:52 AM
Joes isn't even the best BBQ in KC, that'd be Jack Stack. I'm also going to take a pretty educated guess that Bourdain hasn't visited as many rib joints as I have. There are at least three places in Wichita that are better than anything in KC, I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best. All that vinegar in Gates' sauce is horrawful, its like that Memphis crap, just gross.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO. If you want to go deep into the hood you can find the two best places in the world. One of them is on MLK Ave :ohno:
Wichita post.
agreed
Nothing in Wichita is "the best" of something
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
Wichita post.
agreed
:confused:
Post by: pissclams on February 05, 2013, 10:15:23 AM
OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
Wichita post.
agreed
:confused:
what are the chances that the guy from wichita thinks that wichita has the best bbq in the world.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 05, 2013, 10:17:32 AM
OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
Wichita post.
agreed
:confused:
you said that wichita has at least three places that do bbq better than any place in kc and then listed okc as having the best bbq in the world. it was a pretty wichitaey post.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 10:18:49 AM
what are the chances that the guy from wichita thinks that wichita has the best bbq in the world.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
:confused:
also I'm in no way shape or form from Wichita. I lived in New England longer than I lived in Wichita
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 10:20:26 AM
OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
Wichita post.
agreed
:confused:
you said that wichita has at least three places that do bbq better than any place in kc and then listed okc as having the best bbq in the world. it was a pretty wichitaey post.
Other than skepticism, any of you prepared to offer a first hand rebuttal?
Post by: puniraptor on February 05, 2013, 10:21:49 AM
Post by: pissclams on February 05, 2013, 10:23:04 AM
what are the chances that the guy from wichita thinks that wichita has the best bbq in the world.OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
:confused:
also I'm in no way shape or form from Wichita. I lived in New England longer than I lived in Wichita
i missed the okc part, tired from last night's gaga concert. point is that no one other than you and you think that okc/wichita has better bbq than kansas city. and that's ok because i'm not going to tell you what you like any more than you telling me what i like.
no reason to argue something as subjective as one's taste
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 05, 2013, 10:37:52 AM
"Hello there, can I get some clam chowder with my burnt ends? No? Wicked weak!"
Post by: GoodForAnother on February 05, 2013, 10:54:07 AM
Joes isn't even the best BBQ in KC, that'd be Jack Stack. I'm also going to take a pretty educated guess that Bourdain hasn't visited as many rib joints as I have. There are at least three places in Wichita that are better than anything in KC, I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best. All that vinegar in Gates' sauce is horrawful, its like that Memphis crap, just gross.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO. If you want to go deep into the hood you can find the two best places in the world. One of them is on MLK Ave :ohno:
Wichita post.
agreed
Nothing in Wichita is "the best" of something
confirmed. MIR trying too hard to troll here. IMO!
Post by: Johnny Wichita on February 05, 2013, 10:57:24 AM
Post by: GoodForAnother on February 05, 2013, 11:01:25 AM
pro-tip: it isn't
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 05, 2013, 11:05:07 AM
Other than skepticism, any of you prepared to offer a first hand rebuttal?
I don't have a rebuttal. Never had BBQ in either location. Further, never heard anybody who knows anything about BBQ mention Wichita or OKC as having good BBQ. On the other hand, any time I've every heard a BBQ snob or foodie TV personality talk about BBQ (Collichio, Bobby Flay, Gail Simmons, etc.), they mention either KC or Memphis. I've also never heard of any world renowned BBQ competitions in Wichita or OKC, as opposed to KC and Memphis.
I dunno. I eat BBQ about 5-10 times a year in KC. Not an expert. I just like it a lot. And I hear other people they like it a lot. And that's good enough for me to conclude that it's better than Wichita and OKC. I try not to travel to those locations if I can help it. Certainly not eating the bbq there when I'm forced to go.
BUT ANYWAY, this should be split off into its own thread.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 05, 2013, 11:07:13 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 11:10:23 AM
probably the most interesting thing about wichitans is how hard they will try and convince themselves that wichita is just as good as kansas city
pro-tip: it isn't
Are you referring to me? One of us is from the Wichita area, pro-tip: you, not me.
Next time I am in Wichita (if I ever am back in Wichita), I will join MIR for BBQ and see if I can refute his claims.
No longer a Wichita pak'r :cry:
Post by: puniraptor on February 05, 2013, 11:12:46 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on February 05, 2013, 11:15:00 AM
probably the most interesting thing about wichitans is how hard they will try and convince themselves that wichita is just as good as kansas city
pro-tip: it isn't
Are you referring to me? One of us is from the Wichita area, pro-tip: you, not me.Next time I am in Wichita (if I ever am back in Wichita), I will join MIR for BBQ and see if I can refute his claims.
No longer a Wichita pak'r :cry:
I forgot. I don't know where you lived in New England, but you seem to consistently move to worse places.
Post by: pissclams on February 05, 2013, 11:24:51 AM
<---nor'easter
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 11:28:36 AM
Other than skepticism, any of you prepared to offer a first hand rebuttal?
I don't have a rebuttal. Never had BBQ in either location. Further, never heard anybody who knows anything about BBQ mention Wichita or OKC as having good BBQ. On the other hand, any time I've every heard a BBQ snob or foodie TV personality talk about BBQ (Collichio, Bobby Flay, Gail Simmons, etc.), they mention either KC or Memphis. I've also never heard of any world renowned BBQ competitions in Wichita or OKC, as opposed to KC and Memphis.
I dunno. I eat BBQ about 5-10 times a year in KC. Not an expert. I just like it a lot. And I hear other people they like it a lot. And that's good enough for me to conclude that it's better than Wichita and OKC. I try not to travel to those locations if I can help it. Certainly not eating the bbq there when I'm forced to go.
BUT ANYWAY, this should be split off into its own thread.
You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best. When these foodies say KC is the best BBQ they are comparing it to other tourist traps in Texas, Memphis, and North Carolina. Compared to these places I would agree that Joes and Jack Stack are much better. I hate the mustard used in Carolina bbq, hate the Memphis vinegar crap, and don't like Texas' insistence on using beef ribs. BTW in Wichita and KC they prepare ribs KC style.
Unless Flay has been to all of these off the beaten path places everywhere, his opinion is what it is. Now this is not to say that there isn't some amazing BBQ places in KC that may be out of the way, but other than Jack Stack the four most frequently mentioned are wildly overrated and IMO not close to the best in the country.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
whats the best bbq in the greater Ames metropolitan area?
Fiorella Jack Stack behind Union Station
definitely would need to know where in NE he lived before making that claim. wichita is undoubtedly a step up from a lot of places in the northeast
<---nor'easter
Clam's is definitely right, there is a lot of horrible places in New England, thankfully I lived in none of those places. I lived in Boston and in rural Maine. I've been lucky enough to legitimately like every place I've lived as an adult, and I've lived in a lot of places as an adult. I liked Wichita and I like the DSM area. One thing you really appreciate about Wichita as opposed to New England and Iowa is winter weather. Also Wichita food options are underrated by dumbasses who think hating on Wichita is edgy. I mean were talking GoddardCat type humor folks.
Post by: _33 on February 05, 2013, 11:37:56 AM
Post by: Gooch on February 05, 2013, 11:50:01 AM
whats the best bbq in the greater Ames metropolitan area?Not that shithole Old Main
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 05, 2013, 11:51:11 AM
You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.
Again, like I said, I'm not an expert - far from it. Don't smoke it. Don't eat enough. I defer to the experts. and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC. My personal opinion? I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 11:52:02 AM
When your opinion goes against the vast majority of other people's opinions there is a decent chance your opinion is wrong and stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfR-JRxe9lk
hoe sit down, and chill out with the obsession
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 05, 2013, 11:53:08 AM
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 05, 2013, 11:54:22 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 11:57:06 AM
You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.
I defer to the experts. and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC. My personal opinion? I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).
Could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I addressed this and not only did you not address what I said but then you built a gigantic strawman. There are people in this world that have eaten at hundreds of bbq restaurants, neither me or Bobby Flay are in that group. Glad we can agree that someone that hasn't even been to Wichita or New York City for that matter can eliminate them from being better than something else.
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 05, 2013, 11:58:56 AM
You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.
I defer to the experts. and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC. My personal opinion? I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).
Could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I addressed this and not only did you not address what I said but then you built a gigantic strawman. There are people in this world that have eaten at hundreds of bbq restaurants, neither me or Bobby Flay are in that group. Glad we can agree that someone that hasn't even been to Wichita or New York City for that matter can eliminate them from being better than something else.
I think you reference "strawmen" more than any poster on here. I'm beginning to think you don't actually know what a straw man is.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 11:59:09 AM
Belvis, it seems like you probably should be an expert on what you yourself like. Maybe you should go ahead and give the Wichita BBQ a try.
No, it's perfectly acceptable to just accept somneone elses limited opinion as fact without vetting these things yourself.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 12:01:49 PM
You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.
I defer to the experts. and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC. My personal opinion? I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).
Could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I addressed this and not only did you not address what I said but then you built a gigantic strawman. There are people in this world that have eaten at hundreds of bbq restaurants, neither me or Bobby Flay are in that group. Glad we can agree that someone that hasn't even been to Wichita or New York City for that matter can eliminate them from being better than something else.
I think you reference "strawmen" more than any poster on here. I'm beginning to think you don't actually know what a straw man is.
Don't put strawmen in quotes, I said strawman.
This is either a strawman or a lie, I'll let you decide because I certainly didn't say this either.
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I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have
Post by: kitten_mittons on February 05, 2013, 12:13:42 PM
Post by: _33 on February 05, 2013, 12:14:35 PM
When your opinion goes against the vast majority of other people's opinions there is a decent chance your opinion is wrong and stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfR-JRxe9lk
hoe sit down, and chill out with the obsession
huh?
Post by: GoodForAnother on February 05, 2013, 12:19:21 PM
probably the most interesting thing about wichitans is how hard they will try and convince themselves that wichita is just as good as kansas city
pro-tip: it isn't
Are you referring to me? One of us is from the Wichita area, pro-tip: you, not me.Next time I am in Wichita (if I ever am back in Wichita), I will join MIR for BBQ and see if I can refute his claims.
No longer a Wichita pak'r :cry:
I forgot. I don't know where you lived in New England, but you seem to consistently move to worse places.
man, wichitans suck at quoting
Post by: wes mantooth on February 05, 2013, 12:46:21 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 05, 2013, 01:48:24 PM
Maybe mir didn't like KC style bbq? The places he listed are probably not the same type as KC. Maybe you should go get some Memphis bbq or Austin. It would be hard to believe a place in Wichita or OKC has the best of anything.
It's really kind of hard to believe that about KC, as well. Maybe they do, though. :dunno:
Post by: DQ12 on February 05, 2013, 01:53:21 PM
Post by: Winters on February 05, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
Hey guys, Topeka, KS has hands down the best seafood in the entire country, you gotta check it out.really? I will!
Post by: 0.42 on February 05, 2013, 02:01:44 PM
i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 05, 2013, 02:14:53 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 05, 2013, 02:17:22 PM
what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
thoughts, Jakesie?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 05, 2013, 02:18:09 PM
what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
thoughts, Jakesie?
I think it's supposed to be Carolina bbq, but I've never had it.
Post by: DQ12 on February 05, 2013, 02:19:06 PM
i thought Carolina was "tangy."what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
thoughts, Jakesie?
I think it's supposed to be Carolina bbq, but I've never had it.
:confused:
Post by: Gooch on February 05, 2013, 02:20:02 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 05, 2013, 02:20:13 PM
i thought Carolina was "tangy."what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
thoughts, Jakesie?
I think it's supposed to be Carolina bbq, but I've never had it.
:confused:
Probably. Like I said, I've never had it.
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 05, 2013, 02:32:51 PM
Belvis, it seems like you probably should be an expert on what you yourself like. Maybe you should go ahead and give the Wichita BBQ a try.
No, it's perfectly acceptable to just accept somneone elses limited opinion as fact without vetting these things yourself.
how do you "vet" something so subjective as "the best BBQ in the world"? How the eff should I know? Unlike MIR, who has apparently eaten at more BBQ places than everybody on this board combined, I don't have that kind of time.
Yeah, sometimes, I just accept other perople's opinions. Like, if Neil Armstrong tells me the moon is pretty rad? I'll accept it. If I'm told America is a better place to live than Ghana? I'll accept it. If a deep sea diver tells me that deep sea diving can be hazardous, I'll accept it. If a food writer tells me that Kansas City has better BBQ than Oklahoma City, I'll accept it.
Post by: SabiNation on February 05, 2013, 02:34:20 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 05, 2013, 02:34:48 PM
gates can be incredibly good, but on average, it's average, and it can be incredibly bad too. they, like most kc bbq places, are very inconsistent.
the one exception to that rule is jack stack. they are consistently good to great. and have the widest range of good stuff. meaning, their strength doesn't just lie in their ribs, or their brisket, or their beans. they do it all well, including their sides.
i got some burnt ends the other day from LCs that i wouldn't serve to a dog.
but KC style bbq is what the national food pundits declare the best in the country. not a particular place. part of the reason for that is because like jack stack, we don't do just pork, or just ribs, or just brisket. we do it all, and on top of that, we invented burnt ends. yes i realize that you can get ribs in texas. but the reality is, is that texas does brisket. carolina does pork, memphis does terrible dry ribs.
kc has more bbq locations per-capita than anywhere else and we eat a lot of it.
Post by: 0.42 on February 05, 2013, 02:39:06 PM
what's the spicy bbq then?i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
Usually some variant of sausage. Black's in Lockhart does a pretty decent Jalapeno sausage, for instance.
Texas BBQ is pretty pud, actually.
You're pud-er.
Post by: PoetWarrior on February 05, 2013, 02:41:14 PM
New franchise or a team is moving?
Post by: 0.42 on February 05, 2013, 02:43:23 PM
Manhattan is getting an NBA team?
New franchise or a team is moving?
Everybody welcome to the floor of Ahearn, your Manhattan Pelicans!
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 04:14:20 PM
i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
Is Rudy's good?
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 04:24:28 PM
how do you "vet" something so subjective as "the best BBQ in the world"? How the eff should I know? Unlike MIR, who has apparently eaten at more BBQ places than everybody on this board combined, I don't have that kind of time.
Yeah, sometimes, I just accept other perople's opinions. Like, if Neil Armstrong tells me the moon is pretty rad? I'll accept it. If I'm told America is a better place to live than Ghana? I'll accept it. If a deep sea diver tells me that deep sea diving can be hazardous, I'll accept it. If a food writer tells me that Kansas City has better BBQ than Oklahoma City, I'll accept it.
Are you intentionally bad at analogies, goodness gracious.
I also love how in the first sentence you talk about how the topic is too subjective and then in the same breath continue to tell me why my subjective opinion is wrong.
Pissclams has tried to end this stupidity twice, just in case you missed it
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and that's ok because i'm not going to tell you what you like any more than you telling me what i like.
no reason to argue something as subjective as one's taste
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but KC style bbq is what the national food pundits declare the best in the country. not a particular place
Since Belvis' bus fight appears to be over for now, I'm sure he'll find some ridiculous way to keep this going though.
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 05, 2013, 04:34:49 PM
Since Belvis' bus fight appears to be over for now, I'm sure he'll find some ridiculous way to keep this going though.
care to total up our respective posts in this thread? I'll bet you beat me 2-1. just sayin.
Post by: 0.42 on February 05, 2013, 05:27:09 PM
i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
Is Rudy's good?
They're hit or miss.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 05, 2013, 05:31:29 PM
Post by: 0.42 on February 05, 2013, 05:32:16 PM
You guys have really mucked up this thread with your BBQ straw man arguments. :curse:
THANKS OBAMA
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 05, 2013, 05:36:03 PM
what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
thoughts, Jakesie?
On it.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 05, 2013, 05:47:13 PM
what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
thoughts, Jakesie?
On it.
the place on market in emporia has a GREAT spicy sauce. it's also a restaurant that could be replicated in mhk and be extremely successful.
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 05, 2013, 06:02:21 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 05, 2013, 06:26:12 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 05, 2013, 06:50:32 PM
You guys have really mucked up this thread with your BBQ straw man arguments. :curse:
THANKS OBAMA
:shakesfist:
:lol:
Post by: DQ12 on February 05, 2013, 07:56:02 PM
General Tso's Chicken Pizza:surprised:
Post by: tdaver on February 05, 2013, 09:06:01 PM
Julius Rib Cage
?
?
I've had Two Bros and Hog Wild a couple times but stopped going after I got a smoker because it wasn't hard to make as good or better bbq
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2013, 09:17:52 PM
Hey MIR, I live near Wichita and like good BBQ. Where should I go?
Julius Rib Cage
?
?
I've had Two Bros and Hog Wild a couple times but stopped going after I got a smoker because it wasn't hard to make as good or better bbq
Love Julius, its on South Seneca. Hog Wild is good the GM at the Rock Road location is a huge homophobe though. I think B&C downtown is very good, but I don't think they prepare stuff to go, could be wrong though. I like two brothers but I've never heard anyone say it's their favorite. Many people in Wichita also love Pig In/Pig Out just west of 13th and I-135, they won the KSU BBQ contest twice when we used to have it, I hate Pig In/Pig Out though. I have also heard good things about Bubbas Nekkid BBQ on 13th and Meridian but I haven't had that yet.
Post by: CNS on February 06, 2013, 09:39:41 AM
:dubious:
:shakesfist:
Post by: felix rex on February 06, 2013, 09:51:35 AM
Hey MIR, I live near Wichita and like good BBQ. Where should I go?
Julius Rib Cage
?
?
I've had Two Bros and Hog Wild a couple times but stopped going after I got a smoker because it wasn't hard to make as good or better bbq
Love Julius, its on South Seneca. Hog Wild is good the GM at the Rock Road location is a huge homophobe though. I think B&C downtown is very good, but I don't think they prepare stuff to go, could be wrong though. I like two brothers but I've never heard anyone say it's their favorite. Many people in Wichita also love Pig In/Pig Out just west of 13th and I-135, they won the KSU BBQ contest twice when we used to have it, I hate Pig In/Pig Out though. I have also heard good things about Bubbas Nekkid BBQ on 13th and Meridian but I haven't had that yet.
They rub their own meat!
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 06, 2013, 09:54:58 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
MIR, Have you had My Dad's? Do you like it?
I haven't, sorry. Is that the one in the old fire house just east of Downtown?
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 06, 2013, 01:34:51 PM
MIR, Have you had My Dad's? Do you like it?
I haven't, sorry. Is that the one in the old fire house just east of Downtown?
I think you might be talking about Jet Bar-B-Q. I've driven by but never eaten there.
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on February 06, 2013, 03:15:34 PM
Manhattan is getting an NBA team?
New franchise or a team is moving?
Kind of amazing that this post is the most relevant to the thread title over the past few pages...
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 06, 2013, 03:25:28 PM
MIR, Have you had My Dad's? Do you like it?
I haven't, sorry. Is that the one in the old fire house just east of Downtown?
No, it's at the corner of 13th & Cleveland. My buddy owns it. I like it, but I'm probably biased. It's kind of small inside, but I think he does alot of takeout and catering. Just curious if anyone else had tried it.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2013, 01:43:31 AM
MIR, Have you had My Dad's? Do you like it?
I haven't, sorry. Is that the one in the old fire house just east of Downtown?
No, it's at the corner of 13th & Cleveland. My buddy owns it. I like it, but I'm probably biased. It's kind of small inside, but I think he does alot of takeout and catering. Just curious if anyone else had tried it.
I'll give it a crack next time I'm in Wichita
Post by: kso_FAN on February 08, 2013, 01:41:33 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on February 08, 2013, 01:49:49 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 08, 2013, 02:00:32 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
heh
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 08, 2013, 03:02:03 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
not a single wichita bbq restaurant? what a joke of a list. :flush:
Post by: GoodForAnother on February 08, 2013, 04:20:41 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
not a single wichita bbq restaurant? what a joke of a list. :flush:
no kidding, everyone knows wichita >>>>> kc when it comes to the q
Post by: 0.42 on February 08, 2013, 11:15:12 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Post by: puniraptor on February 08, 2013, 11:21:44 PM
Post by: 0.42 on February 08, 2013, 11:31:19 PM
a tourist told me about lockhart. how can this be reconciled
NOT AS MANY TOURISTS KNOW ABOUT IT :shakesfist:
Post by: steve dave on February 08, 2013, 11:37:09 PM
Post by: puniraptor on February 08, 2013, 11:39:22 PM
Post by: 0.42 on February 08, 2013, 11:47:49 PM
Post by: puniraptor on February 08, 2013, 11:53:22 PM
Just let me be an insufferable bbq snob in peace you jerks
you should be proud that your snob city is beloved by tourists and featured on television
Post by: 0.42 on February 09, 2013, 12:19:09 AM
Post by: Panjandrum on February 09, 2013, 03:46:39 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
I've heard good things about TSL. Never been, though. I could have eaten at the one in the Austin airport before I left town, but I ate at Hill City Cafe instead. Airport BBQ kind of scares me.
Except in Memphis. That crap is the bomb.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 09, 2013, 03:51:31 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Maybe, but I would almost pay money just to stare at that fire pit.
Post by: 0.42 on February 09, 2013, 05:00:14 PM
Post by: _33 on February 09, 2013, 05:50:08 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 10, 2013, 12:51:43 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
Ugh, hate Fireflys
Post by: SleepFighter on February 10, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Lockhart blows. I'd rather have Rudy's
Post by: 0.42 on February 10, 2013, 02:19:01 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Lockhart blows. I'd rather have Rudy's
:blank:
Post by: MakeItRain on February 10, 2013, 02:35:26 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Lockhart blows. I'd rather have Rudy's
:blank:
No guys, you cannot have an opinion contrary to the list maker, these people are the experts whether they've been to the other places you've mentioned or not. Your personal taste buds don't know crap.
Post by: 0.42 on February 10, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Lockhart blows. I'd rather have Rudy's
:blank:
No guys, you cannot have an opinion contrary to the list maker, these people are the experts whether they've been to the other places you've mentioned or not. Your personal taste buds don't know crap.
I'm going to start a BBQ-based religion/cult in which I convince everyone that my taste buds are utterly objective and are the ultimate authority on bbq taste. Then I'll charge my parishioners money for bbq reviews and advice. I'll call it Brisketology.
Post by: pc5k on February 19, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 19, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
http://cjonline.com/news/business/2013-02-19/nbaf-one-step-closer-reality (http://cjonline.com/news/business/2013-02-19/nbaf-one-step-closer-reality)
Mods, please move to the proper thread.
Post by: pc5k on February 19, 2013, 07:59:51 PM
Post by: Pete on February 19, 2013, 08:02:15 PM
Post by: wabash909 on February 20, 2013, 08:13:40 AM
:ksu:
Post by: Cire on March 25, 2013, 11:27:43 AM
Post by: GoodForAnother on April 05, 2013, 10:47:24 AM
April 4, 2013
KDA to Relocate to Manhattan
TOPEKA - Kansas Secretary of Agriculture Dale Rodman announced today that the Kansas Department of Agriculture will move the majority of its offices to Manhattan, Kansas, in summer 2014.
A constitutional agency, KDA will maintain its main administrative office in Topeka but will move the majority of its programs to Manhattan, where Rodman said the agency can capitalize on synergies with Kansas State University (K-State) as well as with other agricultural and bio-science entities located in Manhattan. In addition, the department will maintain current field offices in Stafford, Stockton, Parsons and Garden City. The department's current lease ends Sept. 30, 2013, but KDA is in the process of extending the lease at the current location through June 30, 2014.
The department's new building, which will be built by the KSU Foundation, will complement the K-State 2025 master plan to enhance the research corridor. Secretary Rodman said the new facility will afford the department the opportunity to work closely with many nationally and even globally recognized and trusted subject matter experts on scientific and economic research.
"The decision to move KDA to Manhattan was made after months of close consultation to determine the best location to allow KDA to fulfill our statutory obligations and provide the best possible service to all of our customers today and in the future," said Secretary Rodman. "Manhattan is the value-added center for agriculture. Locating the Kansas Department of Agriculture adjacent to the state's land grand university, the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility and other agricultural, bio-science and natural resource entities will establish KDA as a pillar in the KSU Foundation Research Park and enhance the overall effectiveness of the department."
In addition to being a fiscally responsible long-term decision, the move will also result in increased research and technical efficiencies. Rodman said it will allow resources to be shared and will reduce duplication while allowing for a consistent service and enhanced working relationship among KDA, farmers, ranchers, consumers, agribusinesses and K-State.
"Whether it is a cooperative effort on animal health research, collaboration on water conservation, joint educational outreach between the department and K-State Research and Extension or technical support provided by the university, this move will put the department in position to leverage the expertise at K-State, grow agriculture and serve all of our customers in a more efficient and effective manner," said Rodman.
Rodman said this move will position the state of Kansas to work cooperatively with public, private and university partners to lead the nation and world forward in agriculture and biosecurity.
"Relocating KDA to Manhattan further solidifies the state's commitment to being a leader in agriculture. Manhattan is home to NBAF and will continue to grow as the hub for the future of agriculture and bio-sciences," said Rodman. "Moving KDA to Manhattan sends a clear message that Kansas is committed to working with all of our partners to be a leader in not only the production of food, fiber and energy but also in the security and defense of these critical components of our state, nation and world."
The Kansas Department of Administration administers most State real property leases and product and service procurement. Interim Secretary of Administration Mark McGivern foresees the State of Kansas enjoying a continued longstanding partnership with the Topeka community.
"Under Governor Brownback's leadership, the Department of Administration is dedicated to bringing efficiency and innovation to state government," said McGivern. "We will continue to pursue opportunities that are in the best interests of our State employees, our communities and, most importantly, Kansas taxpayers."
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Post by: raquetcat on April 05, 2013, 02:02:24 PM
Post by: Boom Roasted on April 05, 2013, 02:58:48 PM
Post by: Pete on April 05, 2013, 03:12:34 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 05, 2013, 03:37:44 PM
Fire anyone who won't relocate to Manhattan, and fill the positions with new K-State grads. Problem solved, everyone wins, and only losers who won't move from Topeka to Manhattan lose. Will of God.:thumbs:
Post by: GoodForAnother on April 05, 2013, 03:49:56 PM
Post by: Johnny Wichita on April 05, 2013, 04:48:40 PM
the kind of person that would rather live in topeka over manhattan shouldn't be employed by our state
Do you know many state employees?
Post by: KSUBrian on April 05, 2013, 05:05:16 PM
the kind of person that would rather live in topeka over manhattan shouldn't be employed by our state
Do you know many state employees?
I do. I call them co-workers. I would live in MHK over any town in Ks.
Post by: GoodForAnother on April 05, 2013, 05:10:15 PM
the kind of person that would rather live in topeka over manhattan shouldn't be employed by our state
Do you know many state employees?
I do. I call them co-workers. I would live in MHK over any town in Ks.
idk, fairway is pretty boss. or westwood hills.
Post by: KSUBrian on April 05, 2013, 05:13:54 PM
the kind of person that would rather live in topeka over manhattan shouldn't be employed by our state
Do you know many state employees?
I do. I call them co-workers. I would live in MHK over any town in Ks.
idk, fairway is pretty boss. or westwood hills.
ppfftt. Can't beat MHK.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 10, 2013, 11:38:04 AM
Quote
Efforts to build a new biosecurity lab in Kansas are getting a huge boost, as President Barack Obama sends Congress a budget proposal that includes $714 million for construction of the facility at Kansas State University.
http://ksn.com/2013/04/10/obama-proposes-714m-for-kansas-nbaf-project/
Post by: Mr Bread on April 10, 2013, 11:40:35 AM
siapQuoteEfforts to build a new biosecurity lab in Kansas are getting a huge boost, as President Barack Obama sends Congress a budget proposal that includes $714 million for construction of the facility at Kansas State University.
http://ksn.com/2013/04/10/obama-proposes-714m-for-kansas-nbaf-project/
thanks obama amirite?
Post by: PowercatPat on April 10, 2013, 12:10:24 PM
Post by: Pete on April 10, 2013, 12:42:46 PM
siapQuoteEfforts to build a new biosecurity lab in Kansas are getting a huge boost, as President Barack Obama sends Congress a budget proposal that includes $714 million for construction of the facility at Kansas State University.
http://ksn.com/2013/04/10/obama-proposes-714m-for-kansas-nbaf-project/
thanks obama amirite?
So true.
Post by: Cire on April 10, 2013, 12:55:04 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2013, 01:22:23 PM
Post by: p1k3 on April 10, 2013, 01:25:39 PM
Post by: Shacks on April 10, 2013, 01:46:32 PM
Post by: 0.42 on April 10, 2013, 01:49:23 PM
Thanks to those chicks that did the K-S-U thing with Barry!
Barry O is advancing the interests of emaw and is now your best friend :dance:
Post by: GoodForAnother on April 10, 2013, 02:06:32 PM
Post by: pissclams on April 10, 2013, 02:06:46 PM
or westwood hills.
YES! :cool:
Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2013, 02:21:44 PM
Post by: p1k3 on April 10, 2013, 02:23:11 PM
lol at how that mother rough rider tim huelskamp is going to try to torpedo this for his own constituents
not his district! :emawkid:
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
lol at how that mother rough rider tim huelskamp is going to try to torpedo this for his own constituents
not his district! :emawkid:
i bet a few people will live in D1 and work at nbaf.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2013, 02:34:35 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2013, 02:35:36 PM
I thought the gerrymandering put Manhattan in Huelskamp's district. :dunno:
I thought I read that here somewhere, good news if not
Post by: p1k3 on April 10, 2013, 02:37:35 PM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/KS
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2013, 02:41:45 PM
I thought the gerrymandering put Manhattan in Huelskamp's district. :dunno:
I thought I read that here somewhere, good news if not
i was confused also, cause on his website it had a map and manhattan was in it, but wiki told me it isn't!!!!
:runaway: :runaway:
Post by: p1k3 on April 10, 2013, 02:43:13 PM
I thought the gerrymandering put Manhattan in Huelskamp's district. :dunno:
I thought I read that here somewhere, good news if not
i was confused also, cause on his website it had a map and manhattan was in it, but wiki told me it isn't!!!!
:runaway: :runaway:
that's what originally threw me off :runaway:
Post by: GoodForAnother on April 10, 2013, 02:50:12 PM
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
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Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2013, 02:52:16 PM
Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
I don't know who that is but I'm warming up my punching arm to unload on their balls
Post by: Shacks on April 10, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
Well, I'm sure the Umbrella Corporation would be interested in privately funding NBAF
Post by: GoodForAnother on April 10, 2013, 03:03:06 PM
Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
Well, I'm sure the Umbrella Corporation would be interested in privately funding NBAF
how rough ridin' boss would it be if The Hive was built right under MHK? :love:
Post by: Shacks on April 10, 2013, 03:09:08 PM
Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
Well, I'm sure the Umbrella Corporation would be interested in privately funding NBAF
how rough ridin' boss would it be if The Hive was built right under MHK? :love:
Raccoon City is just a codename for MHK :excited:
Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2013, 03:18:11 PM
Fun visit with K-State alumnus @SenPatRoberts today - we talked about NBAF and K-State Football! #KState150
Post by: Pete on April 10, 2013, 10:33:38 PM
Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
I don't know who that is but I'm warming up my punching arm to unload on their balls
I will fight you, for the chance to fight that guy first.
Post by: HerrSonntag on April 10, 2013, 10:56:12 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2013, 11:48:55 PM
Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
I want to chase this guy down with a needle and infect him with cow aids.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 10, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
:lol:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 11, 2013, 12:00:57 AM
Post by: Shacks on April 11, 2013, 12:05:08 AM
It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
It's going to be LHC Bill Snyder Family Cow Research Center
Post by: steve dave on April 11, 2013, 06:53:23 AM
It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
It's going to be LHC Bill Snyder Family Cow Research Center
Damn that would be baller
Post by: Cire on April 11, 2013, 08:40:36 AM
It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
It's going to be LHC LHC Bill Snyder Family Pet Research Center
Damn that would be baller
:dunno:
Post by: CNS on April 11, 2013, 08:45:58 AM
It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
It's going to be LHC Bill Snyder Family Cow Research Center
Damn that would be baller
Cow AIDS would know what hit it.
Also, Hoof and Mouth, more like GTFOOMF.
Most modern animal afflictions would cease to exist as the ribbon was cut.
Chronic Wast Dissease would claim Bill was a wizard and throw it's hands up in disgust.
Post by: GoodForAnother on April 11, 2013, 09:36:51 AM
It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
holy crap, that would be amazing...let's get this movement started today
Post by: Belvis Noland on April 11, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Obama budgets 750mil for NBAF
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 11, 2013, 10:20:27 AM
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Kirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
Post by: steve dave on April 11, 2013, 10:25:30 AM
Post by: Scary Smart on April 11, 2013, 10:29:05 AM
QuoteKirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
More evidence that the Animal reads goEMAW.
Post by: steve dave on April 11, 2013, 05:11:09 PM
Kirk Schulz
Just finished our third day in DC. Thanks for NBAF support from @JerryMoran @SenPatRoberts @CongHuelskamp @RepKevinYoder @RepLynnJenkins
Post by: CNS on May 08, 2013, 09:08:37 AM
Brownback :shakesfist:
Kansas :shakesfist:
Post by: scottwildcat on May 08, 2013, 09:22:54 AM
Didn't catch the whole thing, but pretty sure the NPR ppl this morning said that the state has refused to approve an additional $200M in bonds for NBAF and have said that they can't approve the bonds with Brownback withholding information on it.
Brownback :shakesfist:
Kansas :shakesfist:
I'm not going to pretend I didn't vote for Brownback, and am not a conservative but Brownback has been a crap show.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 08, 2013, 09:44:57 AM
Post by: ben ji on May 08, 2013, 09:46:19 AM
Didn't catch the whole thing, but pretty sure the NPR ppl this morning said that the state has refused to approve an additional $200M in bonds for NBAF and have said that they can't approve the bonds with Brownback withholding information on it.
Brownback :shakesfist:
Kansas :shakesfist:
Just asked BSLC about this and she says dont blame brownback "He is pushing for expanding the bonds. The ultra conservative House people are pushing back bc they dont trust the feds to fulfill their pledge bc the fed govt is broke. Sen budget committee is meeting in an hour, I assume to push through the bonding bill"
Post by: ben ji on May 08, 2013, 04:28:59 PM
Didn't catch the whole thing, but pretty sure the NPR ppl this morning said that the state has refused to approve an additional $200M in bonds for NBAF and have said that they can't approve the bonds with Brownback withholding information on it.
Brownback :shakesfist:
Kansas :shakesfist:
Just asked BSLC about this and she says dont blame brownback "He is pushing for expanding the bonds. The ultra conservative House people are pushing back bc they dont trust the feds to fulfill their pledge bc the fed govt is broke. Sen budget committee is meeting in an hour, I assume to push through the bonding bill"
UPDATE INCLUDING NERDY LOOKING NOTES- Bond issue passed
SB 245: NBAF
- PROPONENTS
- Landon Fulmer, Governor's Office
- written only from KFB, KLA & KC Chamber
- ACTION:
- AMD - to mandate government funding be approved prior to any letting of Kansas bonds.
- Denning: we already have $105M in authority, this would require a letter from Homeland security with a full cost estimate and legislative approval for that amount? Yes.
- Francisco: should this apply to all $310M? Why would we let the first $105M if it isn't enough to complete the project?
- Melcher/Masterson: perhaps a proviso stating bonds let after May 8, 2013. Also require cost overruns/change orders to be the responsibility of the Feds
- Denning: AMD - to reflect the concerns above - PASS
- Melcher: AMD - clarifying intent - PASS
- FAVORABLE as AMD - PASS
Post by: _33 on May 08, 2013, 04:32:44 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 08, 2013, 04:33:32 PM
Post by: ben ji on May 08, 2013, 04:48:56 PM
So this is good right?
Yes
Post by: Fedor on May 08, 2013, 04:56:16 PM
I am super excited, guys. For some reason, I want NBAF almost as much as I want a natty.
Post by: ben ji on May 08, 2013, 04:57:24 PM
:dance: :dance: :dance:
I am super excited, guys. For some reason, I want NBAF almost as much as I want a natty.
NBAF is basically a natty for KSU and the city of manhattan
Post by: CNS on May 08, 2013, 11:02:56 PM
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 08, 2013, 11:46:34 PM
Post by: bones129 on May 08, 2013, 11:54:22 PM
¿Will we finally get our Red Lobster?
If NBAF can't secure a Red Lobster, what can?
Post by: HerrSonntag on May 09, 2013, 09:29:23 AM
QuoteKirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
Is this $700,000 or $700,000,000? I always get confused if people mean Roman numeral M or short for a million M
Post by: pissclams on May 09, 2013, 09:39:53 AM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 09, 2013, 10:47:52 AM
QuoteKirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
Is this $700,000 or $700,000,000? I always get confused if people mean Roman numeral M or short for a million M
Million. With a B.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on May 13, 2013, 03:55:31 PM
http://world.time.com/timelapse/
Post by: mocat on May 13, 2013, 03:57:48 PM
QuoteKirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
Is this $700,000 or $700,000,000? I always get confused if people mean Roman numeral M or short for a million M
Million. With a B.
thanks this clears up a few things for me
Post by: puniraptor on May 13, 2013, 04:02:06 PM
QuoteKirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
Is this $700,000 or $700,000,000? I always get confused if people mean Roman numeral M or short for a million M
Million. With a B.
thanks this clears up a few things for me
This is a real problem! mathematically the M is always used for mega (x 10^6) but in industry the M is often used at x 1000 which makes me crazy (lol no one is going to mix roman numerals randomly into numbers through)
Post by: HerrSonntag on May 13, 2013, 10:35:13 PM
kinda cool to see Manhattan grow the last 30 years. Expected it to be more honestly.
http://world.time.com/timelapse/
Check out the advancing silt on the north end of tuttle creek.
Post by: jtksu on May 15, 2013, 12:09:44 AM
kinda cool to see Manhattan grow the last 30 years. Expected it to be more honestly.
http://world.time.com/timelapse/
Check out the advancing silt on the north end of tuttle creek.
Thing is like 50 yrs old, isn't that about half of its anticipated lifespan?
Post by: HerrSonntag on May 15, 2013, 06:54:40 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 15, 2013, 07:21:14 PM
i understand that they aren't building a mountain and nothing's supposed to last forever, but whats the 100 year plan? fill the thing in with gravel and put a park on it?
Huge boozecats practice facility
Post by: felix rex on May 16, 2013, 06:59:23 AM
kinda cool to see Manhattan grow the last 30 years. Expected it to be more honestly.
http://world.time.com/timelapse/
If you do it for coffeyville, it looks like its running backwards.
Post by: Institutional Control on May 16, 2013, 07:50:09 AM
kinda cool to see Manhattan grow the last 30 years. Expected it to be more honestly.
http://world.time.com/timelapse/
That is pretty cool. The town I live in is unrecognizable from what it was 30 years ago.
Post by: Belvis Noland on May 23, 2013, 02:46:58 PM
Ground Breaking Ceremony May 28th.
Post by: 'taterblast on May 23, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on May 28, 2013, 11:45:06 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on May 28, 2013, 11:47:27 AM
Post by: pissclams on May 28, 2013, 11:48:02 AM
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2013, 11:48:38 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on May 28, 2013, 11:49:40 AM
The guy in the middle looks confused like he took off from the nearby Alzheimer home. Also looks like he might be getting violent in his confusion they way he is holding that shovel.
that's our Pat!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 28, 2013, 11:53:30 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on May 28, 2013, 11:57:07 AM
What a collection of losers.
It's a good looking crew. Handsome as all get out.
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2013, 11:58:18 AM
those shovels must have cost a fortune
Rentals.
Post by: DQ12 on May 28, 2013, 12:23:45 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on May 28, 2013, 12:26:02 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on May 28, 2013, 12:27:37 PM
those shovels must have cost a fortune
Rentals.
Nah, just reused from WSC ground breaking, BTF ground breaking, with all the photo op dirt we're moving there they just keep the set for the next glorious building.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on May 28, 2013, 01:05:20 PM
could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.GoldShovelTown
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
Post by: Belvis Noland on May 28, 2013, 01:20:57 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 28, 2013, 01:22:43 PM
Who's the guy standing uncomfortably close to Pat?
He's probably just trying to keep as far away from Huelskamp as possible.
Post by: scottwildcat on May 28, 2013, 01:34:23 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on May 28, 2013, 01:51:55 PM
Post by: GoodForAnother on May 28, 2013, 02:03:02 PM
Lynn Jenkins is a babe
man I bet they pass her around like a joint, those rascals
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 28, 2013, 02:03:27 PM
Lynn Jenkins is a babe
man I bet they pass her around like a joint, those rascals
heard a stomach pumping story once time :sdeek:
Post by: Skipper44 on May 28, 2013, 02:26:11 PM
as in she parties hard or a weird weight loss deal?Lynn Jenkins is a babe
man I bet they pass her around like a joint, those rascals
heard a stomach pumping story once time :sdeek:
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 28, 2013, 02:35:58 PM
as in she parties hard or a weird weight loss deal?Lynn Jenkins is a babe
man I bet they pass her around like a joint, those rascals
heard a stomach pumping story once time :sdeek:
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :fatty: :drool: :excited: :jerk: :barf: :flush: :facepalm:
Post by: kslim on May 28, 2013, 02:36:27 PM
The guy in the middle looks confused like he took off from the nearby Alzheimer home. Also looks like he might be getting violent in his confusion they way he is holding that shovel.
that's our Pat!
he caught the stench of Lynn's fart, you gotta play that crap cool pat goodness gracious
Post by: Mr Bread on May 28, 2013, 03:03:07 PM
Lynn Jenkins is a babe
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.huffpost.com%2Fgen%2F101641%2Fthumbs%2Fs-JENKINS-large.jpg&hash=c2b112e3a20330248252b2f0a7c4d7c8ad69c660)
confirmed
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2013, 03:16:17 PM
could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
There is some serious forehead on the left side. I mean, third from left looks shopped.
Post by: treysolid on May 28, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 28, 2013, 04:10:03 PM
:dance: <--- scientists at the NBAF after curing another disease.
They and Obama are the real heroes. You won't find them holding a golden shovel, pretending to get ready to dig a hole on a project they may or may not have even supported, though.
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2013, 04:31:51 PM
:dance: <--- scientists at the NBAF after curing another disease.
They and Obama are the real heroes. You won't find them holding a golden shovel, pretending to get ready to dig a hole on a project they may or may not have even supported, though.
Hopefully they can cure an over abundance of forehead with all the money those reps have won for them and the obvs need for such a cure.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on May 28, 2013, 04:34:11 PM
Post by: treysolid on May 28, 2013, 05:03:52 PM
lynn jenkins is an ass. also, those shovels are just shovels from pete's garage. they didn't cost a dime.
why does pete need so many gold-plated shovels?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on May 28, 2013, 05:07:20 PM
lynn jenkins is an ass. also, those shovels are just shovels from pete's garage. they didn't cost a dime.
why does pete need so many gold-plated shovels?
i have no idea. you'll have to ask pete. he'll be at fatty fest in two weeks.
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2013, 05:18:47 PM
Either her staff secretly agrees with me, she does her own twitter and can't read well, or she is the monster all time boss at not giving a eff.
Post by: Mr Bread on May 28, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
Itrolledfee-fi-fo-fum-ed Lynn relentlessly on twitter for a good year or more. Not one reply and still not blocked.
Either her staff secretly agrees with me, she does her own twitter and can't read well, or she is the monster all time boss at not giving a eff.
Clearly terrified of giants. Probably trying desperately to pretend like you don't exist.
Post by: wabash909 on May 28, 2013, 05:55:39 PM
could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
There is some serious forehead on the left side. I mean, third from left looks shopped.
JFC, could Pat Roberts look like any more of a boss holding that shovel like that?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on May 28, 2013, 05:57:39 PM
could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
There is some serious forehead on the left side. I mean, third from left looks shopped.
JFC, could Pat Roberts look like any more of a boss holding that shovel like that?
reminds me of the governor after the drug bust on SuperTroopers.
Post by: treysolid on May 28, 2013, 06:38:25 PM
lynn jenkins is an ass. also, those shovels are just shovels from pete's garage. they didn't cost a dime.
why does pete need so many gold-plated shovels?
i have no idea. you'll have to ask pete. he'll be at fatty fest in two weeks.
i won't :frown:
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on May 28, 2013, 06:59:15 PM
lynn jenkins is an ass. also, those shovels are just shovels from pete's garage. they didn't cost a dime.
why does pete need so many gold-plated shovels?
i have no idea. you'll have to ask pete. he'll be at fatty fest in two weeks.
i won't :frown:
maybe try tweeting at hosie to get him to ask pete for you :dunno:
Post by: Brock Landers on May 28, 2013, 07:04:54 PM
could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
There is some serious forehead on the left side. I mean, third from left looks shopped.
JFC, could Pat Roberts look like any more of a boss holding that shovel like that?
I bet he was pretending the shovel was an electric guitar but the stupid photographer didn't take the pic in time.
Post by: Kat Kid on May 28, 2013, 07:13:05 PM
Post by: scottwildcat on May 28, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
Pat Roberts is a poor man's Bob Dole, which is really me complimenting him.
Pat Roberts is what Kansans want, but not what we need.
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2013, 11:25:48 PM
Itrolledfee-fi-fo-fum-ed Lynn relentlessly on twitter for a good year or more. Not one reply and still not blocked.
Either her staff secretly agrees with me, she does her own twitter and can't read well, or she is the monster all time boss at not giving a eff.
Clearly terrified of giants. Probably trying desperately to pretend like you don't exist.
Hugely in the closet on Twitter. No giant mentions thus far. Pretty careful about it for this exact reason.
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Post by: CNS on May 28, 2013, 11:26:25 PM
Pat Roberts is a poor man's Bob Dole, which is really me complimenting him.
Pat Roberts is what Kansans want, but not what we need.
How many of them voted against it for tea party reasons?
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Post by: 'taterblast on May 29, 2013, 12:01:48 AM
reminds me of the governor after the drug bust on SuperTroopers.
POUR IT ON
Post by: wabash909 on May 29, 2013, 06:42:39 AM
could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
There is some serious forehead on the left side. I mean, third from left looks shopped.
JFC, could Pat Roberts look like any more of a boss holding that shovel like that?
reminds me of the governor after the drug bust on SuperTroopers.
Reminds me of that scene in Anchorman where they have the street fight.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2013, 08:47:51 AM
Pat Roberts is a poor man's Bob Dole, which is really me complimenting him.
Pat Roberts is what Kansans want, but not what we need.
How many of them voted against it for tea party reasons?
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As far as I know, it was just Huelskamp.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2012/06/huelskamp-off-to-bad-start-on-nbaf-2/ (http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2012/06/huelskamp-off-to-bad-start-on-nbaf-2/)
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2013, 11:27:57 AM
Post by: CNS on June 05, 2013, 11:36:35 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 05, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2013, 02:14:30 PM
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In fact, the White House statement also criticizes the bill approved by the House Appropriations Committee because it would only partial fund NBAF.
"The partial funding provided in the bill will delay construction of NBAF, increase project costs, and leave a significant vulnerability unaddressed. Long-standing procurement policy prohibits incremental funding because it undermines program stability and runs counter to sound budgeting principles and fiscal discipline," the statement says.
Post by: 'taterblast on June 05, 2013, 02:15:07 PM
Post by: slobber on June 05, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
Source: A to A-
(no sarcasm, no smart assedness)
Post by: cfbandyman on July 19, 2013, 10:50:26 AM
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2013/07/18/federal-nbaf-funding-moves-forward.html
Post by: eastcat on August 13, 2013, 03:24:57 PM
Post by: CNS on August 13, 2013, 03:38:11 PM
Construction of the powerplant is underway. Someone needs to take pics, my phone camera was too shitty in the low light.
Should this be called the PowerCatPlant, or just CatPlant?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 13, 2013, 03:46:24 PM
Construction of the powerplant is underway. Someone needs to take pics, my phone camera was too shitty in the low light.
Should this be called the PowerCatPlant, or just CatPlant?
Power station
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi688.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv249%2Fthekansascitykid%2F166327_zps3c3019f9.jpg&hash=dd5e2648c4ba4ee4c4377f7765b7236193bc5f15) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/thekansascitykid/media/166327_zps3c3019f9.jpg.html)
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 13, 2013, 03:50:23 PM
Post by: fun muffin on August 15, 2013, 09:10:13 AM
don't care if luke'd
Post by: kslim on September 04, 2013, 11:42:02 AM
Post by: deputy dawg on October 25, 2013, 12:51:00 PM
Sorry if luked, but, wow. Plum Island is uninhabitable, what would that do to Manhattan?
Post by: GoodForAnother on October 25, 2013, 01:00:26 PM
Post by: ben ji on October 25, 2013, 01:00:44 PM
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The Long Island daily newspaper Newsday earlier documented this biological warfare mission of Plum Island. In a lead story on November 21, 1993, Newsday investigative reporter John McDonald wrote: “A 1950s military plan to cripple the Soviet economy by killing horses, cattle and swine called for making biological warfare weapons out of exotic animal diseases at a Plum Island laboratory, now-declassified Army records reveal.” A facsimile of one of the records, dated 1951, covered the front page of that issue of Newsday.
The article went on: “Documents and interviews disclose for the first time what officials have denied for years: that the mysterious and closely guarded animal lab off the East End of Long Island was originally designed to conduct top-secret research into replicating dangerous viruses that could be used to destroy enemy livestock.”
Post by: ben ji on October 25, 2013, 01:01:26 PM
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The Joint Chiefs of Staff “found that a war with the U.S.S.R. would best be fought with conventional and nuclear means, and biological warfare against humansnot against food animals,” says “Lab 257.” “Destroying the food supply meant having to feed millions of starving Russians after winning a war”
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 25, 2013, 01:33:27 PM
Post by: CNS on October 25, 2013, 01:38:06 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 25, 2013, 01:42:02 PM
Containment and safety is a little different now than it was in the '50's.
What I really meant is what sort of sick twisted crap are our MHK neighbors going to be tasked with inventing?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 25, 2013, 01:42:27 PM
Will they write these things about MHK in 50 years?
i would love if Trump would want to build a golf course in the area.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 25, 2013, 01:48:04 PM
Containment and safety is a little different now than it was in the '50's.
What I really meant is what sort of sick twisted crap are our MHK neighbors going to be tasked with inventing?
Guess who gives a eff?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 25, 2013, 02:00:13 PM
i'm a bit worried about the hundreds of millionaire researchers driving lexus hybrids rather than SL500s. we need the streets of MHK to reflect our wealth, not concern for the environment.Guess who gives a eff?Containment and safety is a little different now than it was in the '50's.What I really meant is what sort of sick twisted crap are our MHK neighbors going to be tasked with inventing?
Post by: hemmy on November 21, 2013, 02:35:56 PM
no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
I think of this post every time I go to Manhattan, no jokes.
Post by: cfbandyman on January 13, 2014, 07:38:00 PM
http://cjonline.com/news/2014-01-13/moran-federal-funding-nbaf-new-appropriations-bill
Post by: Belvis Noland on January 17, 2014, 09:10:52 AM
“It gives me no pleasure to vote against a bill that includes an important project into which I have put my heart and soul and many hours of work,” Roberts said.
“But that vote was necessary to send a signal we can no longer afford unchecked spending as usual.”
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/16/4757274/roberts-joins-huelskamp-pompeo.html
Some nice renderings:
http://www.perkinswill.com/work/national-bio-and-agro-defense-facility.html
http://mcmjv.com/project-information/
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 17, 2014, 09:18:03 AM
Post by: CNS on January 17, 2014, 09:18:48 AM
Roberts is an absolute doofus who panders to his even dumber constituency. It will be fun to watch him lose the next election
why would he lose? He has been there for ages and nothing has changed in our dumbass state.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 17, 2014, 09:20:54 AM
Roberts is an absolute doofus who panders to his even dumber constituency. It will be fun to watch him lose the next election
why would he lose? He has been there for ages and nothing has changed in our dumbass state.
This has to be the first time he voted against a half billion project all contained within his state.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 17, 2014, 09:21:59 AM
Pat Roberts' opposition to the most recent spending bill is outrageous, yet also unsurprising. rough ridin' politics. In non-election years, he pimps the crap out of this project despite being a "small government," fiscally responsible republican. Repeatedly criticizing Obama for cutting funding in past. And now, in the 2014 election cycle, with the project on the verge of approval, this eff hole votes against the thing to "send a signal."
“It gives me no pleasure to vote against a bill that includes an important project into which I have put my heart and soul and many hours of work,” Roberts said.
“But that vote was necessary to send a signal we can no longer afford unchecked spending as usual.”
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/16/4757274/roberts-joins-huelskamp-pompeo.html
Some nice renderings:
http://www.perkinswill.com/work/national-bio-and-agro-defense-facility.html
http://mcmjv.com/project-information/
:love:
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Post by: CNS on January 17, 2014, 09:29:03 AM
Roberts is an absolute doofus who panders to his even dumber constituency. It will be fun to watch him lose the next election
why would he lose? He has been there for ages and nothing has changed in our dumbass state.
This has to be the first time he voted against a half billion project all contained within his state.
Yeah, but he did so as a political move to show fiscal responsibility knowing it would pass anyway. His state gets the project and he looks like a financial watchdog to the retards. Win(state economy)/Win(Roberts election)
Post by: pissclams on January 17, 2014, 09:29:51 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 17, 2014, 09:34:14 AM
Roberts is an absolute doofus who panders to his even dumber constituency. It will be fun to watch him lose the next election
why would he lose? He has been there for ages and nothing has changed in our dumbass state.
This has to be the first time he voted against a half billion project all contained within his state.
Yeah, but he did so as a political move to show fiscal responsibility knowing it would pass anyway. His state gets the project and he looks like a financial watchdog to the retards. Win(state economy)/Win(Roberts election)
He could still eff it up. Anytime a rep can deliver a half billion dollar project to a state like Kansas that has what, 3 electoral votes, everyone should vote yes regardless of the affiliation. Every other state's elected offcials gets it except this cocksucker
Post by: CNS on January 17, 2014, 09:43:38 AM
Post by: The1BigWillie on January 17, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 17, 2014, 10:27:25 AM
Post by: Pete on January 17, 2014, 01:09:19 PM
Roberts prob voted against it because the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thinks he can run for President.
This.
Post by: Belvis Noland on January 17, 2014, 01:11:59 PM
Roberts prob voted against it because the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thinks he can run for President.
just another power-hungry ass hat who will do whatever the eff he has to do to hold on to power.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 17, 2014, 01:47:29 PM
Btw - this project won't be online until 2022. All they're building right now is the power plant to run the facility, and even the plant won't be done until 2016, I think.
Also, the dumb "Plum Island" concerns aside, the NBAF's proximity to the university was one of the major selling points of the Manhattan location. They didn't want some remote facility that was difficult for the scientists to get to. The CDC is located in downtown Atlanta right next to Emory U.
Post by: KITNfury on January 17, 2014, 02:20:33 PM
Man, lotta hate for Roberts on here. I guess it doesn't bother me because I don't think it's hypocritical to (1) recognize this project is a massive waste of money, but (2) realize there's nothing I can do to stop it so I can at least enjoy the ancillary benefit to Manhattan, KS. Then again, I'm not a senator who actually has power over appropriations.you're a waste of money
Btw - this project won't be online until 2022. All they're building right now is the power plant to run the facility, and even the plant won't be done until 2016, I think.
Post by: Belvis Noland on January 17, 2014, 03:28:25 PM
Man, lotta hate for Roberts on here. I guess it doesn't bother me because I don't think it's hypocritical to (1) recognize this project is a massive waste of money, but (2) realize there's nothing I can do to stop it so I can at least enjoy the ancillary benefit to Manhattan, KS.
The project was Pat Roberts' idea in the first place! Hence, the hypocracy. And he's championed this "massive waste of money" at every turn of the pass. Hence, double hyprocacy.
Found this gem of a press release from 2013.
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) along with U.S. Senator Jerry Moran (R-Kan.), a member of the U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee, announced the Fiscal Year 2014 Homeland Security Appropriations Bill was approved with bipartisan support by the Senate Appropriations Committee. The bill includes $404 million for construction of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF), an amount equal to the U.S. House of Representatives approved appropriations bill and a critical step forward for the lab under construction in Manhattan, Kan.
“It’s an objective fact,” Sen. Roberts said. “The nation needs NBAF. Every delay leaves the American people and the American food supply at greater risk. Another important step toward completion was made today as $404 million for construction of the NBAF made it out of committee and is now on its way to the Senate floor. We need to get this done, and I look forward to broad bipartisan support of the NBAF on the Senate floor.”
The committee approved bill now awaits passage by the full U.S. Senate.
http://www.moran.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/news-releases?ID=dbd095bd-ffbd-4799-a507-65703b42074c
Post by: HerrSonntag on January 17, 2014, 04:02:12 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 17, 2014, 04:24:37 PM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 17, 2014, 04:26:53 PM
I don't like Roberts as the next guy, but he voted against a 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill. Making it sound like he voted specifically against the NBAF is a stretch.and he probably knew without a doubt that the bill would pass.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 17, 2014, 04:30:00 PM
We need to figure out how to somehow get our football renovations worked into this project. :money:
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 17, 2014, 04:33:53 PM
Well, to be fair, the project has nearly doubled in cost since it was first approved. It has something to do with some dumbass's decision to encase a big portion of the facility in about a foot of concrete. Apparently, it can withstand an EF-5 tornado, polar vortex, and shark-nado all at the same time.you need to be happier about the amount of construction planned for manhattan or i'm going to change your name to G-O-P Republicans!
We need to figure out how to somehow get our football renovations worked into this project. :money:
Post by: Headinjun on January 17, 2014, 05:54:48 PM
Well, to be fair, the project has nearly doubled in cost since it was first approved. It has something to do with some dumbass's decision to encase a big portion of the facility in about a foot of concrete. Apparently, it can withstand an EF-5 tornado, polar vortex, and shark-nado all at the same time.
We need to figure out how to somehow get our football renovations worked into this project. :money:
That's supposed to be dumb??
Post by: Belvis Noland on January 17, 2014, 06:07:25 PM
I don't like Roberts as much as the next guy, but he voted against a 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill. Making it sound like he voted specifically against the NBAF is a stretch.
Odd. In non-election year, Roberts introduced and passed a massive Farm Bill priced at $1 trillion, saying “It shows what can happen if we break the logjam of partisanship and work together to get something done." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/us/politics/senate-passes-farm-bill-but-tougher-road-seen-in-house.html
He also voted in support of a 2012 Senate spending bill that was about 950billion.
so.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 17, 2014, 07:05:52 PM
I don't like Roberts as much as the next guy, but he voted against a 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill. Making it sound like he voted specifically against the NBAF is a stretch.
Odd. In non-election year, Roberts introduced and passed a massive Farm Bill priced at $1 trillion, saying “It shows what can happen if we break the logjam of partisanship and work together to get something done." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/us/politics/senate-passes-farm-bill-but-tougher-road-seen-in-house.html
He also voted in support of a 2012 Senate spending bill that was about 950billion.
so.
He is either getting pushed right by GOP competition in his primary or he is going right for GOP Pres nomination. Neither of those two things were an issue in 2012.
Post by: Belvis Noland on January 18, 2014, 12:10:27 AM
I don't like Roberts as much as the next guy, but he voted against a 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill. Making it sound like he voted specifically against the NBAF is a stretch.
Odd. In non-election year, Roberts introduced and passed a massive Farm Bill priced at $1 trillion, saying “It shows what can happen if we break the logjam of partisanship and work together to get something done." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/us/politics/senate-passes-farm-bill-but-tougher-road-seen-in-house.html
He also voted in support of a 2012 Senate spending bill that was about 950billion.
so.
He is either getting pushed right by GOP competition in his primary or he is going right for GOP Pres nomination. Neither of those two things were an issue in 2012.
Yeah. That's the point. Politics.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 18, 2014, 02:04:09 AM
Well, to be fair, the project has nearly doubled in cost since it was first approved. It has something to do with some dumbass's decision to encase a big portion of the facility in about a foot of concrete. Apparently, it can withstand an EF-5 tornado, polar vortex, and shark-nado all at the same time.
We need to figure out how to somehow get our football renovations worked into this project. :money:
That's supposed to be dumb??
It is according to a director of the facility, whom I just spoke to in the last couple of weeks. He didn't make any secret of it. The design has been way over-built, which has doubled the cost and extended the schedule (lawsuits and funding questions didn't help either, obviously). So we're now looking at a facility that's going to cost over a billion dollars that won't be open until 2022 at the earliest. In other words, exactly what you would expect from the government.
He also had some pretty funny stories about Texas's lawsuit challenging the Manhattan location. Apparently, they actually cited Wizard if Oz as proof that Kansas was too risky because of tornados. They also cited the Greensburg tornado even though that's geographically closer to Texas than Manhattan.
Post by: CNS on January 18, 2014, 10:17:12 AM
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Post by: ChiComCat on January 18, 2014, 10:19:45 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 18, 2014, 10:32:06 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 18, 2014, 10:57:37 AM
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Post by: 'taterblast on January 22, 2014, 01:15:43 PM
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from kimball...
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 22, 2014, 01:26:45 PM
He had his cake and ate it too. Seems like a pretty slick politician.
You would make a really great political strategist
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on February 07, 2014, 02:56:38 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/us/senator-races-to-show-ties-including-an-address-in-kansas.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/us/senator-races-to-show-ties-including-an-address-in-kansas.html?hp)
Also, why does this guy keep getting quoted?
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“In four and one-half going on five years of existence have we been contacted by Senator Roberts or any of his staff? Not once,” said Chuck Henderson, a Tea Party activist in Manhattan, Kan., who mocked the notion of the senator’s “official” residence here.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 07, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 07, 2014, 04:20:05 PM
This thread makes me want some bbq
Go to Karnivore.
Post by: ydarg2012 on February 07, 2014, 04:51:45 PM
This thread makes me want some bbq
Go to Karnivore.
Is it actually good? That location seems destined for failure.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 07, 2014, 05:34:23 PM
This thread makes me want some bbq
Go to Karnivore.
my motorcycle boots haven't come in the mail yet
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 09, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
This thread makes me want some bbq
Go to Karnivore.
Is it actually good? That location seems destined for failure.
It's like, really really good. Agree on the location but everytime I go back it's busier than the last time.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 09, 2014, 01:24:59 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 09, 2014, 02:09:34 PM
are we trolling here, Stevesie?
I am not. I do not troll when it comes to mhk eateries.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 09, 2014, 02:50:56 PM
are we trolling here, Stevesie?
I am not. I do not troll when it comes to mhk eateries.
it's like, i really want to believe stevesie, but the placed in called "karnivore" for crying out loud.
Post by: p1k3 on April 22, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Post by: raquetcat on July 04, 2014, 08:05:49 AM
http://kansasengineer.org/NewsEvents/ConferencePresentations.aspx
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 04, 2014, 09:42:32 AM
Post by: chum1 on July 06, 2014, 10:24:34 PM
Post by: 8manpick on July 06, 2014, 10:38:11 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 07, 2014, 08:11:15 AM
Post by: TownieCat on July 07, 2014, 08:31:00 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2014, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: mocat on July 07, 2014, 08:36:10 AM
Post by: CNS on July 07, 2014, 09:10:05 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on July 07, 2014, 11:58:50 AM
Post by: KCFDcat on July 07, 2014, 02:44:57 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on July 07, 2014, 02:56:53 PM
:gocho:
Post by: Paul Moscow on July 07, 2014, 03:12:12 PM
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/3/5867467/map-the-25-cities-nobody-wants-to-live-in?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_content=monday
yeah I saw that yesterday from my phone and was like, "lol, topeka" then was :surprised: when it said Manhattan
Post by: treysolid on July 07, 2014, 03:48:06 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on July 07, 2014, 04:20:08 PM
it's like that club that only elites can get into
:gocho:
I thought enrollment for purple cat U was up. I think dax got in some squak faces about it awhile back.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2014, 04:32:55 PM
it's like that club that only elites can get into
:gocho:
I thought enrollment for purple cat U was up. I think dax got in some squak faces about it awhile back.
It is. I think what this tells us is every year KSU is sending its graduates all over the country and world for their jobs. They don't stick around long, off to NYC, London or Tokyo...
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on July 07, 2014, 04:43:42 PM
Estimated to grow at about 6969% for the next 69 years. Shouldnt end up with somewhere around 6.9 million people in the Manhattan metro area by 2069.
2010 ben ji was so immature.
Post by: ben ji on July 07, 2014, 05:21:43 PM
69 is such a fun number to sayEstimated to grow at about 6969% for the next 69 years. Shouldnt end up with somewhere around 6.9 million people in the Manhattan metro area by 2069.
2010 ben ji was so immature.
Post by: slobber on July 07, 2014, 05:33:55 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2014, 05:34:58 PM
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Gonna win 'em all!
Quoted this constantly in high school
Post by: deputy dawg on December 09, 2014, 12:05:39 PM
http://listverse.com/2014/12/09/10-environmental-disaster-time-bombs/
Post by: star seed 7 on December 09, 2014, 12:11:34 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 09, 2014, 01:12:37 PM
Interesting that this thread was bumped while I'm currently in a mhk bbq establishment
Glad to see Karnivore is still kicking ass.
Post by: waks on December 10, 2014, 09:05:45 AM
It isn't and never was. Bet he was at Cox.Interesting that this thread was bumped while I'm currently in a mhk bbq establishment
Glad to see Karnivore is still kicking ass.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 10, 2014, 12:28:25 PM
It isn't and never was. Bet he was at Cox.Interesting that this thread was bumped while I'm currently in a mhk bbq establishment
Glad to see Karnivore is still kicking ass.
famous daves :dunno:
Post by: pissclams on December 10, 2014, 12:32:03 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 10, 2014, 12:41:36 PM
It isn't and never was. Bet he was at Cox.Interesting that this thread was bumped while I'm currently in a mhk bbq establishment
Glad to see Karnivore is still kicking ass.
:D
Post by: _33 on March 04, 2015, 01:50:19 PM
Here's the thing. BSFS is 1.3 miles from Anderson. Perceived "heart" of campus. But, it's not really the center of campus anymore. Over the past decades, campus growth has been northwest. Even if you don't consider jardine/athletic complex/rec center/vet complex part of campus, the stadium is still only .5mile from Claflin/Denison.
I definitely wish we'd built the thing on top of East Stadium years ago. But, over the years, we chose to just extend campus to the football stadium. Either way, it's essentially "on campus" in every sense of the phrase.
The city and K-State are about to embark on a massive overhaul of what they are calling the "Kimball Corridor" -- basically Kimball from College Ave to Tuttle Creek Blvd will be developed with condos, town homes, businesses, restaurants, etc. This is being done with NBAF in mind, but it will certainly be a major benefit to Athletics. Within 5+ years, there won't be any more sheep lot parking, but there will be sports bars or restaurants across the street to get Pak'd in before a Catz hoops or foosball event.
You could make a pretty easy case that NBAF will be as important a city "center" as Anderson Hall currently is, and BSFS will be just down the street.
Related: http://www.found.ksu.edu/noteworthy/2014/new-building.html (http://www.found.ksu.edu/noteworthy/2014/new-building.html)
First step in development of north campus corridor. Lots more to come.
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http://www.k-state.edu/nbaf/documents/KSUF%20Kimball%20Master%20Plan.pdf (http://www.k-state.edu/nbaf/documents/KSUF%20Kimball%20Master%20Plan.pdf)
Better renderings of foundation office park. Retail spaces available in there I think, restaurants and bars being looked at on the corner of Kimball and College, along with spaces between denison and TCB.
Post by: KCFDcat on March 04, 2015, 02:22:43 PM
Post by: TownieCat on March 06, 2015, 09:08:11 AM
http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/mar15/nbafconstruction3615.html#.VPmuWCwX3lA.twitter (http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/mar15/nbafconstruction3615.html#.VPmuWCwX3lA.twitter)
Summary: Congress passed the bill to fully fund the project. Construction begins in May with an estimated completion date of December 2020.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 06, 2015, 09:24:58 AM
https://twitter.com/kstate_pres/status/573840898582249472
http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/mar15/nbafconstruction3615.html#.VPmuWCwX3lA.twitter (http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/mar15/nbafconstruction3615.html#.VPmuWCwX3lA.twitter)
Summary: Congress passed the bill to fully fund the project. Construction begins in May with an estimated completion date of December 2020.
mhk will need it with the impending downsizing of ft riley.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 06, 2015, 10:09:35 AM
Post by: mocat on March 06, 2015, 10:11:08 AM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 06, 2015, 02:01:00 PM
Post by: CNS on March 06, 2015, 02:02:04 PM
Post by: puniraptor on March 06, 2015, 02:31:49 PM
mhk will need it with the impending downsizing of ft riley.
ft riley needs to be here to defend NBAF slash contain the outbreak
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 06, 2015, 02:44:53 PM
mhk will need it with the impending downsizing of ft riley.
ft riley needs to be here to defend NBAF slash contain the outbreak
i'm beginning to think mhk only got nbaf because they (govt) knew they were going to off ft riley. :ohno:
Post by: mocat on March 06, 2015, 03:50:21 PM
Post by: CNS on March 06, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
i think they (govt) would not think twice about demolishing fort riley without giving riley county anything in return
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Post by: nicname on May 16, 2015, 06:36:38 PM
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DHS S&T AWARDS FINAL CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF NATIONAL BIO AND AGRO-DEFENSE FACILITY
WASHINGTON D.C. – The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Science and Technology Directorate (S&T) today announced the award of a contract for the final phase of construction of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF) being constructed in Manhattan, Kansas. The $834 million award by S&T’s procurement support partner, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers (FLETC), modifies the existing contract for McCarthy Mortensen NBAF Joint Venture, which was selected in 2009.
“The NBAF will be a key component in our joint effort with the U.S. Department of Agriculture to advance research critical to the security of our nation’s food supply and agricultural economy,” said S&T Under Secretary Dr. Reginald Brothers. “This critical facility will further develop the strategic partnerships between the Department, the State of Kansas, and the City of Manhattan, along with private entities and better leverage the research capabilities of the NBAF once it is operational.”
The State of Kansas is providing $307 million, and the City of Manhattan is providing $5 million towards the total acquisition cost inclusive of planning, design, construction and commissioning of the $1.25 billion facility.
The award is the beginning of the third and final phase of construction of the NBAF. Site preparation was completed in 2012 with funding provided by the State of Kansas. The central utility plant (CUP) is expected to be completed in October of this year. The $80 million CUP, which houses the boilers, chillers, emergency diesel generators, and other support elements for the main laboratory facility, was funded with $40 million in federal appropriations and $40 million in gift funding from the State of Kansas.
Construction is expected to be completed in 2020 with full operational capability achieved by 2022
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Also, lol at this
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Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2015, 08:18:19 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 05, 2015, 08:27:24 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/04/secret-sanctions-revealed-against-university-hosting-125-billion-biolab/31075709/
paperwork is a bitch.
Post by: mhkpasa on August 05, 2015, 08:35:48 AM
it would be great to have a poster who works at the NBAF for captaincrap-y insider info
I have a good friend moving back soon as Project Manager for a company doing some of the mechanical/plumbing/HVAC contracting. Could be a scoop-y situation. As long as they aren't tracking his keystrokes! :ohno:
Post by: Pete on August 05, 2015, 08:37:02 AM
Post by: Pendergast on August 05, 2015, 09:51:20 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2015, 12:38:28 PM
Post by: meow meow on August 05, 2015, 12:50:24 PM
LOL at USA Today
when you're the best, everyone will try their hardest to tear you down #blessed
Post by: BMWWcat on August 05, 2015, 09:57:36 PM
Post by: The Big Train on August 05, 2015, 10:34:50 PM
That article was written by a ku alum...seriously. LOL jealousy is a stinky perfume.
you think a ku alum could get that crap position :lol:
Post by: BMWWcat on August 06, 2015, 03:43:20 PM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on August 06, 2015, 03:47:17 PM
ft riley did as well as possible in the latest round of cuts. really good news for mhk.mhk will need it with the impending downsizing of ft riley.
ft riley needs to be here to defend NBAF slash contain the outbreak
i'm beginning to think mhk only got nbaf because they (govt) knew they were going to off ft riley. :ohno:
Post by: Winters on August 06, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
LOL at USA TodayI bet the KSU PR people are just lol'ing all over this. BET
Post by: IPA4Me on August 06, 2015, 06:52:06 PM
That article was written by a ku alum...seriously. LOL jealousy is a stinky perfume.Lol. I thought you were just gE'ing. Nope.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alisonannyoung
Post by: BMWWcat on August 07, 2015, 01:47:52 PM
Post by: CatsFan1989 on August 13, 2015, 08:58:28 PM
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Post by: wabash909 on August 13, 2015, 09:09:18 PM
Post by: Havs on August 13, 2015, 09:41:33 PM
Post by: Pete on August 13, 2015, 09:46:04 PM
Is NBAF more under the USDA or Homeland Security?
Trick question. No one puts NBAF in the under.
Post by: bones129 on August 14, 2015, 02:14:11 AM
Someone sent me this today, thought I would share.
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There are some very interesting vehicles in that pic.
Post by: mocat on August 14, 2015, 11:52:05 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 14, 2015, 11:54:41 AM
Post by: mocat on August 14, 2015, 12:42:56 PM
You just turn the ac on when you start the car and like 2 minutes later it's frosty
yes. i mean i have black leather in my car and would never consider owning one of those things
Post by: mocat on August 14, 2015, 12:43:57 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on August 14, 2015, 12:44:37 PM
i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
i try to get rid of my mother's every time i have to ride in her vehicle. she does not appreciate what i'm trying to do for her.
Post by: Gooch on August 14, 2015, 03:06:27 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 14, 2015, 03:08:47 PM
Oh man Mrs. Gooch is going to come in here wanting to fight all you guys. She loves the crap out of sun shades.
does she fold them up when she takes them down, or tries to fold them up and then gives up and tosses them in the back seat?
Post by: mocat on August 14, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
follow up: cardboard in the shape of human sunglassses, or ultra-reflective aluminum foil?
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 14, 2015, 03:30:30 PM
I fold it up and put it in the passenger floorboard, and when I have the rare passenger I put it in the back seat.
Actually I need a better one because I one I have doesn't stay up all the time and doesn't extend all the way from the front of the dash to the top of the windshield. (It helps keep your dash nice and new looking and not all sun faded.)
Post by: Gooch on August 14, 2015, 03:31:23 PM
folds it up does not put the wrap on it so it accordion opens in the back seat.Oh man Mrs. Gooch is going to come in here wanting to fight all you guys. She loves the crap out of sun shades.
does she fold them up when she takes them down, or tries to fold them up and then gives up and tosses them in the back seat?
or does she have one that rolls up instead of folds up?
follow up: cardboard in the shape of human sunglassses, or ultra-reflective aluminum foil?
foil
Post by: The Big Train on August 14, 2015, 03:32:55 PM
I mean, do you guys have hands that are all callused up and can't feel the 150 degree steering wheel when you get in the hot car???
I fold it up and put it in the passenger floorboard, and when I have the rare passenger I put it in the back seat.
Actually I need a better one because I one I have doesn't stay up all the time and doesn't extend all the way from the front of the dash to the top of the windshield. (It helps keep your dash nice and new looking and not all sun faded.)
you might need a new car if you can pick up the passenger floorboard
Post by: waks on August 14, 2015, 11:47:20 PM
I mean, do you guys have hands that are all callused up and can't feel the 150 degree steering wheel when you get in the hot car???Pro-tip: when you park, turn your wheel as far as it will go. Then when you get in your car to leave, you can turn it back to normal and the hot part of the steering wheel won't be where your hands touch.
Post by: The Big Train on August 14, 2015, 11:50:10 PM
Post by: waks on August 14, 2015, 11:52:59 PM
math and waks dont get along :lol:My wheel doesn't turn 180 degrees when I'm in park. Maybe I grip my steering wheel weird but it works. :dunno:
Post by: The Big Train on August 14, 2015, 11:55:00 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 15, 2015, 03:17:28 AM
maybe turn the wheel before you get in park? also how do you know how many degrees a certain cars wheel can turn? are they all the same? i think not!
waks didn't say anything about how many degrees he would turn it. Mrs. Gooch said it felt like it was 150 degrees fahrenheit (at least I assume she didn't mean celsius).
Post by: The Big Train on August 15, 2015, 07:42:13 AM
maybe turn the wheel before you get in park? also how do you know how many degrees a certain cars wheel can turn? are they all the same? i think not!
waks didn't say anything about how many degrees he would turn it. Mrs. Gooch said it felt like it was 150 degrees fahrenheit (at least I assume she didn't mean celsius).
degrees mean more than I thing
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Post by: puniraptor on August 15, 2015, 07:47:10 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 15, 2015, 12:05:41 PM
maybe turn the wheel before you get in park? also how do you know how many degrees a certain cars wheel can turn? are they all the same? i think not!
waks didn't say anything about how many degrees he would turn it. Mrs. Gooch said it felt like it was 150 degrees fahrenheit (at least I assume she didn't mean celsius).
degrees mean more than I thing
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Yes, I acknowledged that in my post. You know, sometimes I don't think you read posts in their entirety before responding.
Post by: The Big Train on August 15, 2015, 12:16:05 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 15, 2015, 12:18:27 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 15, 2015, 12:19:15 PM
Post by: The Big Train on August 15, 2015, 12:20:45 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on August 17, 2015, 07:59:19 AM
Post by: slobber on August 17, 2015, 08:22:57 AM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Asteriskhead on August 17, 2015, 08:48:10 AM
Take a drivers safety course. It's 9 and 3.
Gonna win 'em all!
nuh-uh.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 17, 2015, 10:39:11 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 17, 2015, 12:27:21 PM
I'm about a 5 solo hand guy
Me too!
Post by: 'taterblast on August 17, 2015, 12:48:01 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on August 17, 2015, 01:04:41 PM
7 solo hand here (highway)
Same
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 17, 2015, 01:07:58 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 17, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
Left hand six
Wow! Never would have guessed this one!
Post by: Brock Landers on August 17, 2015, 01:21:13 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 17, 2015, 01:28:11 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 17, 2015, 01:28:55 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 17, 2015, 01:30:41 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 17, 2015, 01:32:07 PM
i'll be honest though, i think i'm pretty all over the map and most of the time just steer with my knees
You've never gone left hand seven tho, I'm sure of it
Post by: sys on August 17, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
i'll never drive a vehicle without one. they're indispensable.
Post by: Brock Landers on August 17, 2015, 01:34:20 PM
Left hand one? Are you a weirdo mutant?
Where else is your left hand supposed to go in a gangsta lean?
Post by: sys on August 17, 2015, 01:35:09 PM
i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
i try to get rid of my mother's every time i have to ride in her vehicle. she does not appreciate what i'm trying to do for her.
my god. our school system is in worse shape than anyone has realized.
Post by: sys on August 17, 2015, 01:36:22 PM
Oh man Mrs. Gooch is going to come in here wanting to fight all you guys. She loves the crap out of sun shades.
oh thank god. i thought i was the only rational human left on earth.
Post by: mocat on August 17, 2015, 01:36:41 PM
Post by: mocat on August 17, 2015, 01:39:27 PM
i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
i'll never drive a vehicle without one. they're indispensable.
what's your stance on cell phone holsters?
Post by: sys on August 17, 2015, 01:39:48 PM
Actually I need a better one.
you want one of these. they're fantastic.
http://www.covercraft.com/cartlink/index.php?cust_id=covercraft&prod_id=uvcs
Post by: sys on August 17, 2015, 01:40:40 PM
what's your stance on cell phone holsters?
i don't care what people do with their cell phones.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 17, 2015, 01:41:12 PM
Post by: kslim on August 17, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
Why hasn't someone invented a windshield that you can just push a button and it glazes over?:cheese:
Post by: puniraptor on August 17, 2015, 01:48:36 PM
i'll be honest though, i think i'm pretty all over the map and most of the time just steer with my knees
when i saw rick daris driving i could not see any hands. he could not have been using any.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 17, 2015, 01:49:19 PM
Post by: sys on August 17, 2015, 01:51:14 PM
Why hasn't someone invented a windshield that you can just push a button and it glazes over?
i would buy that car.
Post by: chum1 on August 17, 2015, 01:58:38 PM
Post by: Boom Roasted on August 17, 2015, 02:08:17 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 17, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
I just go garage to garage and never would I think about one of those shades grandmas use.
There is a garage everywhere you go?
Post by: Boom Roasted on August 17, 2015, 02:20:19 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 17, 2015, 02:28:46 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/1a/18/511a184f8adc4d303e5edfb0c03f3655.jpg)
Post by: Katpappy on August 17, 2015, 02:28:52 PM
Of course, he has a tailgating canopy. Stops car and puts up canopy; pulls lawn chair out of trunk and pops open a beer from cooler. Presto instant tailgate. :fatty:I just go garage to garage and never would I think about one of those shades grandmas use.
There is a garage everywhere you go?
Post by: Katpappy on August 17, 2015, 02:32:39 PM
the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.Oh my GAWD! Not the back braker wood bead pad. #S&Mtoys
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 17, 2015, 02:39:53 PM
the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/1a/18/511a184f8adc4d303e5edfb0c03f3655.jpg)
No I do not need a macrame seat cover.
Post by: pissclams on August 17, 2015, 03:13:42 PM
the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/1a/18/511a184f8adc4d303e5edfb0c03f3655.jpg)
i bought these for my whip. (whip is an industry term for vehicle, mostly used by automotive enthusiasts and insiders to the car game).
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fg01.a.alicdn.com%2Fkf%2FHTB1IBruHVXXXXbUXpXXq6xXFXXX1%2F2015-car-headrest-plush-neck-car-seat-cushion-car-seat-covers-3D-animal-cat-tiger-car.jpg&hash=d5009c495b5940ad8cb57f5aadec4bf555d0e79b)
anyway, as a cat it's great to walk out to your car and see a cat waiting for you to sit down with your neck to its face. go cats!
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 17, 2015, 03:15:53 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 18, 2015, 12:05:19 AM
the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/1a/18/511a184f8adc4d303e5edfb0c03f3655.jpg)
I would love it if goEMAW did a gift exchange.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 18, 2015, 08:20:42 AM
Post by: michigancat on August 18, 2015, 08:25:53 AM
I'm trying to think of a good reason not to and I've got nothing.the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/1a/18/511a184f8adc4d303e5edfb0c03f3655.jpg)
I would love it if goEMAW did a gift exchange.
Post by: michigancat on August 18, 2015, 08:26:20 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 18, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
Post by: Pete on August 18, 2015, 08:40:38 AM
Post by: chum1 on August 18, 2015, 09:07:37 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on August 18, 2015, 09:50:58 AM
i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
i try to get rid of my mother's every time i have to ride in her vehicle. she does not appreciate what i'm trying to do for her.
my god. our school system is in worse shape than anyone has realized.
nuh-uh.
Post by: TownieCat on August 18, 2015, 11:21:07 AM
Post by: mocat on August 18, 2015, 11:39:11 AM
The new Manhattan Ave project looks great. So many turn lanes between Kimball and Research Dr that I lost count! :love:
pics man, pics!
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 18, 2015, 11:58:48 AM
The new Manhattan Ave project looks great. So many turn lanes between Kimball and Research Dr that I lost count! :love:
does n manhattan finally go all the way through?
Post by: TownieCat on August 18, 2015, 12:06:23 PM
Yup! It opened up last night.The new Manhattan Ave project looks great. So many turn lanes between Kimball and Research Dr that I lost count! :love:
does n manhattan finally go all the way through?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 18, 2015, 01:01:18 PM
Yup! It opened up last night.The new Manhattan Ave project looks great. So many turn lanes between Kimball and Research Dr that I lost count! :love:
does n manhattan finally go all the way through?
thank goodness. taking six minutes instead of five to get down there was becoming an incredible inconvenience.
Post by: CNS on December 21, 2015, 03:18:53 PM
2. score near the worst in the nation at readiness to deal with infectious disease outbreaks
3. ?
4. Profit
http://kmuw.org/post/report-kansas-ranks-near-bottom-preparedness-infectious-disease-outbreaks?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link
Quote
Kansas is one of seven states that rank in the bottom tier in a newly released report measuring states’ readiness to deal with infectious disease outbreaks.
Post by: ChiComCat on December 21, 2015, 03:21:59 PM
Post by: fun muffin on August 23, 2017, 01:43:26 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 23, 2017, 01:47:16 PM
We have less than 50% of our adults vaccinated? Woof
That's the flu vaccine.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on August 23, 2017, 02:26:32 PM
Post by: meow meow on February 13, 2020, 02:03:17 PM
also, has mhk gotten mega-growth yet?
thank you.
Post by: nicname on February 13, 2020, 02:31:51 PM
Not that Weefer is the most reliable source or anything, but there's this:QuoteConstruction of the biodefense laboratory in Manhattan, Kansas, is “the most important economic development event in Kansas since railroads crossed the length of the state, some observers opine. Jon Wefald, president of Kansas State University, notes that Manhattan’s population could double in 15 years as Kansas State and the city “are poised to become the epicenter of a Silicon Valley of animal health for this state, America, and the world.” He anticipates that the center will “draw hundreds of animal-health and food-safety researchers worldwide” and will “present a huge gravitational pull” for “companies to line up offices and plants along a research corridor stretching east to Kansas City and all the way to Columbia, Missouri.” Wefald continued, “This event will go down in our state’s history as one of Kansas’ finest hours—period. Amen and goodnight.”
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=574
2010 - 52k
2020 - ~55k
GETTING THERE!!!
Post by: mocat on February 13, 2020, 02:34:22 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 13, 2020, 02:38:16 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 13, 2020, 03:08:43 PM
Post by: Spracne on February 13, 2020, 03:44:41 PM
Post by: bucket on February 13, 2020, 03:47:15 PM
They have had busses for a long time
Not real ones.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 13, 2020, 03:51:00 PM
Not that Weefer is the most reliable source or anything, but there's this:QuoteConstruction of the biodefense laboratory in Manhattan, Kansas, is “the most important economic development event in Kansas since railroads crossed the length of the state, some observers opine. Jon Wefald, president of Kansas State University, notes that Manhattan’s population could double in 15 years as Kansas State and the city “are poised to become the epicenter of a Silicon Valley of animal health for this state, America, and the world.” He anticipates that the center will “draw hundreds of animal-health and food-safety researchers worldwide” and will “present a huge gravitational pull” for “companies to line up offices and plants along a research corridor stretching east to Kansas City and all the way to Columbia, Missouri.” Wefald continued, “This event will go down in our state’s history as one of Kansas’ finest hours—period. Amen and goodnight.”
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=574
2010 - 52k
2020 - ~55k
GETTING THERE!!!
Based on my community and regional planning degree (in progress)... If this is similar to USDA in Ames, it could be responsible for roughly 1,500 to 2,000 jobs. Add families to that and that would be roughly 3,000 to 6,000. Add increased business/commerce/etc. and you guys could be around 10,000 more people. Good get for Manhattan.
Our man havs :thumbs:
Post by: star seed 7 on February 13, 2020, 03:55:32 PM
They have had busses for a long time
Not real ones.
They don't need "real ones", they are barely used to begin with. The ridership is so light that they will literally come to your house and pick you up if you call and ask.
Post by: waks on February 14, 2020, 12:45:30 PM
This seems like an unusual ableist/elitist position coming from you. The ATA busses provide abysmal service. I have a relative that rides them everyday and the system could use massive improvements.They have had busses for a long time
Not real ones.
They don't need "real ones", they are barely used to begin with. The ridership is so light that they will literally come to your house and pick you up if you call and ask.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 14, 2020, 01:14:48 PM
This seems like an unusual ableist/elitist position coming from you. The ATA busses provide abysmal service. I have a relative that rides them everyday and the system could use massive improvements.They have had busses for a long time
Not real ones.
They don't need "real ones", they are barely used to begin with. The ridership is so light that they will literally come to your house and pick you up if you call and ask.
I don't know anything about the quality of the routes or service, and it wouldn't surprise me that ridership is low partly because of bad service. I was just responding to the ridiculous idea that mhk needs large metro style "real" busses. I'm very much in favor of supporting public transportation. :thumbs:
Post by: hemmy on February 14, 2020, 10:12:16 PM
Post by: Spracne on February 14, 2020, 10:13:50 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 14, 2020, 10:36:07 PM
Yeah, why ain't the silicon valley of animal and plant science done yet?
A perfect case takes time. You of all people I would have thought would understand that. Guess not.
Post by: 'taterblast on July 07, 2021, 09:53:33 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 07, 2021, 09:59:06 AM
:ksu:
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 07, 2021, 10:12:34 AM
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