How much growth will NBAF give Manhattan/KSU?

[OregonSmock]

Vote Republican! 

[puniraptor]

THOU SHALL KNOW COW AIDS

[steve dave]

Heard a report today on the status of NBAF.

-New York Congressional Delegation will not let level 4 facility be built on Plum Island, that not new info but the person being interviewed reiterated that it flat out will not happen
-Original cost estimate was 450 million. Today the cost estimate is over 1 billion dollars because of design overhaul to protect from tornados. If NBAF in Manhattan is scrapped, it will cost another 40 million just to design the new facility somewhere else
-DHS is experiencing the first round of budget cuts since it was created following 9/11.
-Publicly acknowledge that U.S. facilities are currently inadequate. If congress doesnt appropriate the money to build the facility, U.S. will have to rely on what other countries are doing regarding research on larger animals and those facilities are inadequate as well.

Gist of the report was that the experts agree that the U.S. needs the new facility but the money isnt there. I knew cost estimates had gone up but I did not know that they had doubled.

Talked with a Project Manager that has intimate knowledge of the project over lunch today. He wholeheartedly thinks the project will go forward and that the Central Plant is going to go sooner then later. He made me feel better about the likelihood.

[raquetcat]

Heard a report today on the status of NBAF.

-New York Congressional Delegation will not let level 4 facility be built on Plum Island, that not new info but the person being interviewed reiterated that it flat out will not happen
-Original cost estimate was 450 million. Today the cost estimate is over 1 billion dollars because of design overhaul to protect from tornados. If NBAF in Manhattan is scrapped, it will cost another 40 million just to design the new facility somewhere else
-DHS is experiencing the first round of budget cuts since it was created following 9/11.
-Publicly acknowledge that U.S. facilities are currently inadequate. If congress doesnt appropriate the money to build the facility, U.S. will have to rely on what other countries are doing regarding research on larger animals and those facilities are inadequate as well.

Gist of the report was that the experts agree that the U.S. needs the new facility but the money isnt there. I knew cost estimates had gone up but I did not know that they had doubled.

Talked with a Project Manager that has intimate knowledge of the project over lunch today. He wholeheartedly thinks the project will go forward and that the Central Plant is going to go sooner then later. He made me feel better about the likelihood.

The national academy of sciences was suppose to have a committee meet about NBAF this week, and then make a recommendation, I'm assuming that's what you posted.  I'm not sure what kind of pull or influence they have on the DHS though, besides being a bunch of smart scientisty people.

[steve dave]

That's just some copy paste from somebody on GPC.  I don't know where they got their info or what report they are talking about. 

[CNS]

Assuming it's credible, that is the best news we have heard in a while.  I mean, with the public confirmation of bad facilities and the $40M to go elsewhere, seems like there could be some political shame to be had if this doesn't find a way to be built in Manhattan.

[ChiComCat]

Once this thing is started, how long til everyone in Manhattan is rich?  I mean, I know most people are rich already, but I mean absurd rich.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Once this thing is started, how long til everyone in Manhattan is rich?  I mean, I know most people are rich already, but I mean absurd rich.

How long does it take for a room to get bright when you turn on the light switch?

[steve dave]

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2012/05/16/us-house-committee-approves-75m-for.html

[ChiComCat]

a million of these guys ->

[wes mantooth]

 

[420seriouscat69]

Eat a dick obama. 

[CNS]

$75M approved for a project that is going to be over $1B. 

yet Yoder says:

With today’s appropriations bill, we’ve once again affirmed our commitment to protecting our Homeland by making sure the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility receives the funding needed to complete construction

You aren't completing anything w/ $75M.  you are barely starting anything with $75M.

[steve dave]

well, you have to start somewhere.  they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it. 

[WildcatNkilt]

well, you have to start somewhere.  they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.

And the thought of redesigning it somewhere else costing $50mill.  $125mill on a $1B project is a nice chunk. 

[CNS]

well, you have to start somewhere.  they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.

They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.

 

[WildcatNkilt]

well, you have to start somewhere.  they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.

They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.

 

So you think they would bail the $50mill + $75mill + $50 (for redesign)?  Highly unlikely.  Thats almost 20% of the total project.  Would you put 20% down on a house, walk away and tell the seller they can keep the down payment? 

[MakeItRain]

Eat a dick obama. 

You are unspeakably stupid

[420seriouscat69]

Eat a dick obama. 

You are unspeakably stupid

Good to hear, MIR.

[8manpick]

Eat a dick obama. 

You are unspeakably stupid

Good to hear, MIR.

Someone had to say it, thanks MiR.

I am really pumped about this new news.  I had resigned myself to the fact that we had built a really expensive hole in the ground, and it was never going to get past that.

[jmlynch1]

Eat a dick obama. 

You are unspeakably stupid

I thought it was hilarious

[CNS]

well, you have to start somewhere.  they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.

They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.

 

So you think they would bail the $50mill + $75mill + $50 (for redesign)?  Highly unlikely.  Thats almost 20% of the total project.  Would you put 20% down on a house, walk away and tell the seller they can keep the down payment?

No, but I am not the govt.  Things get put on hold all the time.  Especially when looking at the cost of completion after the down payments is still approx $1B

[420seriouscat69]

Eat a dick obama. 

You are unspeakably stupid

Good to hear, MIR.

Someone had to say it, thanks MiR.

If you guys are over sensitive idiots, I can't do much for you. T's & P's. Getting away from this, I'm very excited about the news.

[CNS]

If you idiots get this sent to the pit..... 

[Mikeyis4dcats]

well, you have to start somewhere.  they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.

They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.

 

So you think they would bail the $50mill + $75mill + $50 (for redesign)?  Highly unlikely.  Thats almost 20% of the total project.  Would you put 20% down on a house, walk away and tell the seller they can keep the down payment?

No, but I am not the govt.  Things get put on hold all the time.  Especially when looking at the cost of completion after the down payments is still approx $1B

Yup.  We had a $7mil job get cancelled last year 4 weeks before ground breaking.    CANCELLED.  Not delayed.

Also, KSU Foundation building anyone?  Again, different scale....but crap does get killed all the time.