Depth Chart

[kso_FAN]

Several good points brought up in this thread.

First, no doubt the depth chart is being used to push Harper a little bit.  No doubt he has some talent, but it could be that he needs to continue to mature.  I think he'll be fine.  Plus, even though he was here last year, once the season started he was likely a scout team guy, so while he was learning wide reciever skills, he wasn't learning our offense.  It wasn't until the spring that he would've been full time in our system, but that's not any different than any transfer/red shirt.  I have to think that starting out at QB at Oregon probably slowed him down a bit as well, but again, I think he'll be fine with time.

I've heard great things about Thompson, similar to Banks, but probably faster and a much more knowledgable about the system and what is expected of him.  He has a chance to be an impact player.

As far as Smith being a return man ahead of Thompson, a lot of times it takes time for younger guys to get the return game figured out.  I imagine before he's done here Thompson will be a very good return guy, but I think Smith will be too.

[Paul Moscow]

Several good points brought up in this thread.

First, no doubt the depth chart is being used to push Harper a little bit.  No doubt he has some talent, but it could be that he needs to continue to mature.  I think he'll be fine.  Plus, even though he was here last year, once the season started he was likely a scout team guy, so while he was learning wide reciever skills, he wasn't learning our offense.  It wasn't until the spring that he would've been full time in our system, but that's not any different than any transfer/red shirt.  I have to think that starting out at QB at Oregon probably slowed him down a bit as well, but again, I think he'll be fine with time.

I've heard great things about Thompson, similar to Banks, but probably faster and a much more knowledgable about the system and what is expected of him.  He has a chance to be an impact player.

As far as Smith being a return man ahead of Thompson, a lot of times it takes time for younger guys to get the return game figured out.  I imagine before he's done here Thompson will be a very good return guy, but I think Smith will be too.

No way Thompson is faster than Banks - Thompson even admitted it. He may be quicker and have more agility but he doesn't have the same straight away speed that Banks has.

[jtksu]

Very possible we may have 2 deep on kickoffs.  Saying Tremaine is faster than Banks may be asking a little too much.  Banks was one of the fastest players in college football.  Tramaine does look to have better size than Banks though.  I'm beginning to think some people don't have a real good idea of what the Wildcat formation is.  Simply lining up a RB at QB does not make it the wildcat formation.  You really don't add blocking backs to the formation, it's important that every play looks identical at the line of scrimmage.  The only changes come after the snap in terms of handoffs or possible throws.  And Harper was on the scout team last year but our offense isn't wildly different than any other out there.  We don't ask our WRs to do anything that they wouldn't be doing in any of the offenses the scout squad may attempt to emulate.  Chris should have a good grasp of what he needs to be doing.  If someone else is outplaying him or outworking him...

[MadCat]

Very possible we may have 2 deep on kickoffs.  Saying Tremaine is faster than Banks may be asking a little too much.  Banks was one of the fastest players in college football.  Tramaine does look to have better size than Banks though.  I'm beginning to think some people don't have a real good idea of what the Wildcat formation is.  Simply lining up a RB at QB does not make it the wildcat formation.  You really don't add blocking backs to the formation, it's important that every play looks identical at the line of scrimmage.  The only changes come after the snap in terms of handoffs or possible throws.  And Harper was on the scout team last year but our offense isn't wildly different than any other out there.  We don't ask our WRs to do anything that they wouldn't be doing in any of the offenses the scout squad may attempt to emulate.  Chris should have a good grasp of what he needs to be doing.  If someone else is outplaying him or outworking him...

I thought we always had 2 deep on kickoffs.   

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm beginning to think some people don't have a real good idea of what the Wildcat formation is.  Simply lining up a RB at QB does not make it the wildcat formation.  You really don't add blocking backs to the formation, it's important that every play looks identical at the line of scrimmage.  The only changes come after the snap in terms of handoffs or possible throws.

That's why you create a new package similar to the wildcat that features blocking backs. We have 2 former quarterbacks playing on the offense at different positions. It seems like maybe we would want to take advantage of that.

[PoetWarrior]

Wildcat=Running QB in shotgun who is not normally your QB.

Let's leave it at that.

[yoga-like_abana]

Guys I looked over the offensive depth chart again and the only answer I can come up with as to why Harper is so low on the chart is because we have so many more offensive weapons. I think it may have been there idea to cancel the series.

[bonercat]

Why is everyone up in arms about Harper not starting again!?

[jtksu]

The Wildcat isn't a system, it's a single formation.  Anytime you deviate from it, you're running a different formation.  Sure, we could move all sorts of people around to take adavantage of some of the unique talents we may have.  Putting a running QB in with RBs and FBs in is more like a triple option attack than a wildcat.  Also, the more backs you have in the less WRs you have available for possible passes.  We didn't bring Harper in to play RB, we already have those.  We brought him in to catch passes.  The kid isn't a Percy Harvin type of players.  He's bigger but slower.

[Pett]

Should I be concerened with this?:

RT 71 Ethan Douglas (6-6, 300, So.-SQ) OR
75 Clyde Aufner (6-5, 300, Jr.-2L)

I kind of am.

This is actually a very good thing. GoPo reported that Aufner was hurt badly again (re-injured the ankle he messed up during spring ball) and could miss the entire season. I had a little update on kstatriots.com that Clyde's injury wasn't as bad as originally thought. Looks like my source was right on....

[kstatefreak42]

Cool

[Rage Against the McKee]

The Wildcat isn't a system, it's a single formation.  Anytime you deviate from it, you're running a different formation.  Sure, we could move all sorts of people around to take adavantage of some of the unique talents we may have.  Putting a running QB in with RBs and FBs in is more like a triple option attack than a wildcat.  Also, the more backs you have in the less WRs you have available for possible passes.  We didn't bring Harper in to play RB, we already have those.  We brought him in to catch passes.  The kid isn't a Percy Harvin type of players.  He's bigger but slower.

I don't care if we run the wildcat. I want to see Chris Harper get the ball in space. If he's too shitty of a receiver to do that, then we need to come up with another way to make that happen. Also, when is the last time LHC Bill Snyder had a good offense that didn't feature a running QB with RBs and FBs?

What I would really like to see is the pistol formation with Thomas at QB and Harper at RB. The majority of the time, Thomas would run just as if it were the wildcat formation, but Harper would be a pitch option on any runs to the outside. This formation would still allow 3 WRs for pass plays, also.

[DILLIGAF]

1991 thru 1996

[Rage Against the McKee]

1991 thru 1996

Exactly. 14 years ago.

[wabashcannonball]

I was born in '91 

u guys dont need to spread this crap ok

[jtksu]

JFC.  Why would anyone want the ball in the hands of any player that is not the best we have to offer.  If Harper is one of the best options we have, buy God get him the ball.  The spring game and the depth chart says he isn't.  Guess it's a good scapegoat for Saturday, either way.

[CrushNasty]

RB 8 Daniel Thomas (6-2, 228, Sr.-1L)
33 John Hubert (5-7, 185, Fr.-RS)

No Powell?  

You didn't read my "nuggets" post did you? 

[CrushNasty]

buy God get him the ball. 

 

[jtksu]

'preciate the love.  I'm not exactly sober here.

[06wildcat]

buy God get him the ball. 

 

Nice thought, though Christians have been tithing for centuries and still haven't got him to appear. Meanwhile, we can't even get shitters on the upper deck.

[SwiftCat]

KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 

I've heard some pretty insidery types saying this Cantele kid can regularly hit from 45+

Also that he can run 4.5 40. can you say fake FG attempt?

Just wanted to point out my sources were money with this one.

[WillieWatanabe]

KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 

I've heard some pretty insidery types saying this Cantele kid can regularly hit from 45+

Also that he can run 4.5 40. can you say fake FG attempt?

Just wanted to point out my sources were money with this one.

kudos.

Also, the new Depth Chart has been released...

[jtksu]

KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 

I've heard some pretty insidery types saying this Cantele kid can regularly hit from 45+

Also that he can run 4.5 40. can you say fake FG attempt?

Just wanted to point out my sources were money with this one.

kudos.

Also, the new Depth Chart has been released...

http://www.kstatesports.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ksu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/DepthChart-MOST2

[jtksu]

KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 

I've heard some pretty insidery types saying this Cantele kid can regularly hit from 45+

Also that he can run 4.5 40. can you say fake FG attempt?

Just wanted to point out my sources were money with this one.

How bad would it suck to be Josh Cherry?   A senior who gets his position taken by a walk-on sophomore?  Guess it's nice that we're upgrading talent.

[MadCat]

Powell & Quarles on Kickoff Returns.