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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #200 on: May 26, 2018, 02:24:42 PM »
but does he really think suggesting we address poverty puts him at risk of "being treated as a moral reprobate"? Is his question really viewed as controversial in any real circle?
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Might the poverty be the key problem to address?  But, try this purely logical reasoning in polite company only at the risk of being treated as a moral reprobate.
he thinks if he suggests that poverty -- as opposed to racism -- is the key problem that he risks being treated as moral reprobate.   


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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #201 on: May 26, 2018, 02:51:25 PM »
but does he really think suggesting we address poverty puts him at risk of "being treated as a moral reprobate"? Is his question really viewed as controversial in any real circle?
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Might the poverty be the key problem to address?  But, try this purely logical reasoning in polite company only at the risk of being treated as a moral reprobate.
he thinks if he suggests that poverty -- as opposed to racism -- is the key problem that he risks being treated as moral reprobate.   

yeah I get it. But who is teaching this?

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We are taught to assume that the punishments and suspensions are due to racism, and to somehow ignore the data showing that the conditions too many black boys grow up in unfortunately makes them indeed more likely to act up in school.

(I honestly don't know, I've never heard this.)

It seems pretty reasonable that harsh punishments for black boys is a combination of poverty and racist teachers and that society should make an effort to address both. Completely dismissing either factor seems pretty foolish. :dunno: It's also interesting that he infers that black poverty and racism are two completely separate problems. Like, why does he think black communities generally more poor?

And overall, I don't think he does a very good job defining a problem and how he proposes to address it. He just seems to want to make fun of certain whites in academia (who probably deserve to be ridiculed if his descriptions are accurate) and snipe at Coates.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #202 on: May 26, 2018, 02:57:54 PM »
I think his main point to roast self-indulgent "woke" people for their absurd displays of self-flaggelation. 


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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #203 on: May 26, 2018, 03:59:34 PM »
I think his main point to roast self-indulgent "woke" people for their absurd displays of self-flaggelation.
About as helpful as applauding warmly at a lecture you chose to attend.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #205 on: May 29, 2018, 03:17:55 PM »
i think it's pretty clear that what roseanne said is racist, imo.


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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #206 on: May 29, 2018, 03:19:43 PM »
i think it's pretty clear that what roseanne said is racist, imo.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #207 on: May 29, 2018, 03:20:35 PM »
I thought it was pretty clear that white girl shouldn't have used the n-word on stage in front of Kendrick :dunno:

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #208 on: May 29, 2018, 03:21:52 PM »
i think it's pretty clear that what roseanne said is racist, imo.

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I think millions of citizens would disagree strongly with you.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #209 on: May 29, 2018, 03:24:33 PM »
i think it's pretty clear that what roseanne said is racist, imo.

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I think millions of citizens would disagree strongly with you.

I mean, if you whine enough, they will come. Fox will end up picking her up anyways. It's the #1 show in America.

Calling out racism equals whining  :lol:
Legit everything is racist to libs these days. It's exhausting.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #210 on: May 29, 2018, 03:26:53 PM »
I thought it was pretty clear that white girl shouldn't have used the n-word on stage in front of Kendrick :dunno:
I think I agreed that she shouldn't have used it on-stage on the grounds that it's not socially acceptable.  If I didn't expressly say that, then I am now.  I don't think there was anything immoral about using it on stage though given she was singing along to a song.  There are plenty of things that aren't socially acceptable that I would classify as morally wrong.

I think roseanne calling a black person an ape is immoral (in addition to being socially unacceptable) because I think she meant to degrade the person based on the person's race.


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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #211 on: May 29, 2018, 03:30:29 PM »
i think it's pretty clear that what roseanne said is racist, imo.

Right. Does not belong in this thread.
I think millions of citizens would disagree strongly with you.

I mean, if you whine enough, they will come. Fox will end up picking her up anyways. It's the #1 show in America.

Calling out racism equals whining  :lol:
Legit everything is racist to libs these days. It's exhausting.
https://twitter.com/MlKEHEADLY/status/1001223847939661825

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #212 on: May 29, 2018, 03:31:31 PM »
get out of here, wacky


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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #213 on: May 29, 2018, 03:34:03 PM »
get out of here, wacky
Why?  His opinions are likely the most important to understand.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #214 on: May 29, 2018, 03:35:00 PM »
Sorry for supplying an example of what I met. Continue your group think.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #215 on: May 29, 2018, 03:38:02 PM »
get out of here, wacky
Why?  His opinions are likely the most important to understand.
fair enough.  i really enjoyed the pretty nuanced discussion we had here last week, and i didn't want the issues to be muddled.

get back in here @WackyCat08


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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #216 on: May 29, 2018, 03:49:16 PM »
get out of here, wacky
Why?  His opinions are likely the most important to understand.
fair enough.  i really enjoyed the pretty nuanced discussion we had here last week, and i didn't want the issues to be muddled.

get back in here @WackyCat08
I guess I didn't see the previous discussion as all that nuanced as opposed to Wacky's POV.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #217 on: May 29, 2018, 03:51:32 PM »
https://twitter.com/MlKEHEADLY/status/1001223847939661825

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #218 on: May 29, 2018, 03:59:11 PM »
I guess I didn't see the previous discussion as all that nuanced as opposed to Wacky's POV.

you're always free to participate.
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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #219 on: May 29, 2018, 04:15:54 PM »
I guess I didn't see the previous discussion as all that nuanced as opposed to Wacky's POV.

you're always free to participate.
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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #220 on: May 29, 2018, 04:22:30 PM »
That part of the thread was too wordy.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #221 on: June 11, 2018, 03:00:23 PM »
etymology is not a moral argument.

It's relevant if the moral question is "does the use of a word negatively impact the feelings of others"?

it's possible to make an ethical argument against using racial and ethnic slurs, she just didn't make one.  i also didn't think it was a great thread.  she contradicted herself at times and i'm fairly confident some of her etymology was inaccurate.

michigancat, i found out mcwhorter has a linguistics podcast and i've been listening to a few.  he has one on nigga/n-word which you might be interested in.  at the very least you can have some confidence in his etymology.  his 'cast is delightful, btw, if you like language at all (although i did catch him in an error, but in spanish, so it probably shouldn't count against him).

http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2018/01/john_mcwhorter_on_nigger_versus_nigga.html
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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #222 on: June 11, 2018, 04:09:40 PM »
If a Mexican tells me a Mexican joke, am I allowed to laugh?

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #223 on: June 11, 2018, 05:02:56 PM »
If it's funny
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #224 on: June 11, 2018, 05:12:55 PM »
or if you're uncomfortable.
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