Why can he not sign a quality QB.

[pike]

DOOMsday, you didn't happen to recently hire any of those girls did you?

LOL

 

[HugeUpside]

He definitely should have came here.  Guaranteed starter in a perfect system, on a team that would have a legitimate chance to win our division and blay for the Big 12 championship.  Oh well, no point in bitching about it now...

  Um, that's exactly the point.

[kcchiefdav]

No single player spends more time with the Head Coach than does the QB. 18-22 year old stud QBs hate spending lots of time with people who tell Great Depression stories. OB turned 60 in 1999, which happens to be the last year a good QB joined his squad. If we start promising QB 'cruits that one-on-one time with OB will be minimal, we might have a chance.

[wabash909]

DOOMsday, you didn't happen to recently hire any of those girls did you?

LOL

 

Tell me you at least "screen tested" them.

[Pete]

Insidery EMAW elite posters correctly opined that OB would whiff once again.   Is it just the sucky recruiting talent assistants or is it something more complicated, ie his handling of QB's in the past, emphasis on playbook over athleticism.  Not naming names but some elite posters on here seem to work in the AD of KSU or at least seem to know where the bodies are buried if not employed by the AD, please share your opinions.

I've posted this before, but I'll post it again....as long as it takes....there are 3 reasons why Snyder hasn't landed a quality quarterback in over a decade.


First, the AC's have failed.  Snyder hasn't signed a quality quarterback since February of 2000, and that was Ell.  Ell was recruited, in part, by an elite AC staff that landed boat loads of talent for us.  Once they left in the Spring of 99, we steadily declined in talent.  The Senior class, that won the Big 12 championship was the last of an amazing run.  Sure there was some other talent recruited following the departure of the elite AC's, but the inept leftover/new AC's were recruiting on the heals of a very high profile season and a QB who was second in the Heisman voting....hell, Sean Snyder could have put a great class together with that kind of ammunition on the recruiting trail.

Second, there are some that argue that this isn't a function of crap assistant coaches, but rather a change in the landscape of college football, due to the interwebs....and I agree, in part.  What I can't accurately estimate is how damaging the rise of internet recruiting services has been to Snyder's recruiting.  His recruiting declined nearly as rapidly as internet recruiting services rose in popularity.  Is this a coincidence?  I don't think so, but I don't think that it's the entire reason, just a contributing factor.  For too long Snyder was/(is?) unwilling to admit that these services have huge clout and persuasive power, and he has refused to attempt to use them to his benefit, or at least recognize their role in the process.

Third, the region got tough.  The Oklahoma and Texas schools started to rise up at the same time, as did Mizzou, Illinois, and Iowa.  Schools that previously were on even footing with us, are now perceived to be better programs by today's high school students. 

In summary, there pretty decent odds that he burns down the building that has his own name on it, IMO.

[W.Churchill]

"perceived to be better programs"???/   I don't think there's any "perception" about it. 
Dude got old, lost his touch in hiring hot young assistants [for longer hours and lower pay than is available many other places] and the shine of the DOD is long gone.  Program is now just another bottom feeder for which the only redeeming factor is a tenuous position in a BCS conference. 
The question is not why he cannot sign one, but why any talented QB with other choices would want to come in and play on a team with a roster comprised of the second worst recruiting classes in the conference?

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Second, there are some that argue that this isn't a function of crap assistant coaches, but rather a change in the landscape of college football, due to the interwebs....and I agree, in part.  What I can't accurately estimate is how damaging the rise of internet recruiting services has been to Snyder's recruiting.  His recruiting declined nearly as rapidly as internet recruiting services rose in popularity.  Is this a coincidence?  I don't think so, but I don't think that it's the entire reason, just a contributing factor.  For too long Snyder was/(is?) unwilling to admit that these services have huge clout and persuasive power, and he has refused to attempt to use them to his benefit, or at least recognize their role in the process.

What do you mean with your theory that Snyder refuses to "use" the recruiting rankings?

I thought you were going to say that the recruiting services turned the mythical Diamonds In The Rough that Snyder might have spotted early in his career into 4-star HS recruits by unleashing a horde of internet "scouts" at HS games nationwide.  I might've gone along with that theory.

[cas4ksu]

It's all on the AC.

Joe Paterno is god knows how old and he gets Darryl Clark.

Think about it.

[Kat Kid]

Second, there are some that argue that this isn't a function of crap assistant coaches, but rather a change in the landscape of college football, due to the interwebs....and I agree, in part.  What I can't accurately estimate is how damaging the rise of internet recruiting services has been to Snyder's recruiting.  His recruiting declined nearly as rapidly as internet recruiting services rose in popularity.  Is this a coincidence?  I don't think so, but I don't think that it's the entire reason, just a contributing factor.  For too long Snyder was/(is?) unwilling to admit that these services have huge clout and persuasive power, and he has refused to attempt to use them to his benefit, or at least recognize their role in the process.

What do you mean with your theory that Snyder refuses to "use" the recruiting rankings?

I thought you were going to say that the recruiting services turned the mythical Diamonds In The Rough that Snyder might have spotted early in his career into 4-star HS recruits by unleashing a horde of internet "scouts" at HS games nationwide.  I might've gone along with that theory.

Yeah.  I agree with GOSP.  Although, "using" the recruiting services can also mean catering to the decision making process, handlers etc.  But that really seemed more like a Prince problem re: Butler + all the shady no offer 160 lbs wonders.  I dunno, this much crappy recruiting kind of runs together after 10 years doesn't it?

[Pete]

Second, there are some that argue that this isn't a function of crap assistant coaches, but rather a change in the landscape of college football, due to the interwebs....and I agree, in part.  What I can't accurately estimate is how damaging the rise of internet recruiting services has been to Snyder's recruiting.  His recruiting declined nearly as rapidly as internet recruiting services rose in popularity.  Is this a coincidence?  I don't think so, but I don't think that it's the entire reason, just a contributing factor.  For too long Snyder was/(is?) unwilling to admit that these services have huge clout and persuasive power, and he has refused to attempt to use them to his benefit, or at least recognize their role in the process.

What do you mean with your theory that Snyder refuses to "use" the recruiting rankings?

I thought you were going to say that the recruiting services turned the mythical Diamonds In The Rough that Snyder might have spotted early in his career into 4-star HS recruits by unleashing a horde of internet "scouts" at HS games nationwide.  I might've gone along with that theory.

Yeah.  I agree with GOSP.  Although, "using" the recruiting services can also mean catering to the decision making process, handlers etc.  But that really seemed more like a Prince problem re: Butler + all the shady no offer 160 lbs wonders.  I dunno, this much crappy recruiting kind of runs together after 10 years doesn't it?

Perhaps "use" was the wrong phrase....I should said "actually be aware of their existence." 


Obviously the biggest reason is the lack of quality AC's.  The reason for the lack of quality AC's is debatable, but it's been going on so long that you really can't argue that he isn't aware of the issue.  His failure to correct this issue is the interesting part....

[Pete]

"perceived to be better programs"???/   I don't think there's any "perception" about it. 

I agree, I only meant that when it comes to "tradition" or actual accomplishments on the field, Zook and Pinkel, for example, have nothing on Snyder....yet they out recruit the rough ridin' crap out him because they have won "lately." 

[mcmwcat]

Insidery EMAW elite posters correctly opined that OB would whiff once again.   Is it just the sucky recruiting talent assistants or is it something more complicated, ie his handling of QB's in the past, emphasis on playbook over athleticism.  Not naming names but some elite posters on here seem to work in the AD of KSU or at least seem to know where the bodies are buried if not employed by the AD, please share your opinions.

I've posted this before, but I'll post it again....as long as it takes....there are 3 reasons why Snyder hasn't landed a quality quarterback in over a decade.


First, the AC's have failed.  Snyder hasn't signed a quality quarterback since February of 2000, and that was Ell.  Ell was recruited, in part, by an elite AC staff that landed boat loads of talent for us.  Once they left in the Spring of 99, we steadily declined in talent.  The Senior class, that won the Big 12 championship was the last of an amazing run.  Sure there was some other talent recruited following the departure of the elite AC's, but the inept leftover/new AC's were recruiting on the heals of a very high profile season and a QB who was second in the Heisman voting....hell, Sean Snyder could have put a great class together with that kind of ammunition on the recruiting trail.

Second, there are some that argue that this isn't a function of crap assistant coaches, but rather a change in the landscape of college football, due to the interwebs....and I agree, in part.  What I can't accurately estimate is how damaging the rise of internet recruiting services has been to Snyder's recruiting.  His recruiting declined nearly as rapidly as internet recruiting services rose in popularity.  Is this a coincidence?  I don't think so, but I don't think that it's the entire reason, just a contributing factor.  For too long Snyder was/(is?) unwilling to admit that these services have huge clout and persuasive power, and he has refused to attempt to use them to his benefit, or at least recognize their role in the process.

Third, the region got tough.  The Oklahoma and Texas schools started to rise up at the same time, as did Mizzou, Illinois, and Iowa.  Schools that previously were on even footing with us, are now perceived to be better programs by today's high school students. 

In summary, there pretty decent odds that he burns down the building that has his own name on it, IMO.