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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: wazucat on August 02, 2010, 02:35:12 PM
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Insidery EMAW elite posters correctly opined that OB would whiff once again. Is it just the sucky recruiting talent assistants or is it something more complicated, ie his handling of QB's in the past, emphasis on playbook over athleticism. Not naming names but some elite posters on here seem to work in the AD of KSU or at least seem to know where the bodies are buried if not employed by the AD, please share your opinions.
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emphasis on playbook over athleticism
I think you have this one backwards fwiw
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The problem, imo, is ugly/dumb/lazy assistants that no one in the AD seem willing to admit are ugly/dumb/lazy.
So, ugly with no self-awareness is my official position.
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Insidery EMAW elite posters correctly opined that OB would whiff once again. Is it just the sucky recruiting talent assistants or is it something more complicated, ie his handling of QB's in the past, emphasis on playbook over athleticism. Not naming names but some elite posters on here seem to work in the AD of KSU or at least seem to know where the bodies are buried if not employed by the AD, please share your opinions.
I would definitely say that Snyd's system is not known for producing NFL QBs, so they may well effect our recruiting of big time QBs. We should still be able to sign kids like Sams pretty regularly though. If we had 4 dudes like him on the roster, at least one or two would probably turn out to be solid Big 12 QBs. Our staff is not a great recruiting one and that obstacle seems to be too great to overcome. Seems odd that we can sign 4* RBs with regularity, but can't get a single solid QB to commit for several years at a time. Course, if I was a stud QB, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with our team over the past 6 or 7 years. Maybe finally having a solid o-line, wr corps, and stable of rbs will pay recruiting dividends in the near future. Oh, and we need to start winning more games, too.
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Shame on Chris Harper. For not getting Masoli. Stupid eff. If I were harper I would be begging masoli to join me. Sams will be solid.
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No one knows if Harper didn't lobby like crazy for Masoli to join him. I'm sure he wants the best possible QB throwing to him. Just because Masoli chose Ole Miss doesn't mean no one tried to talk him into KSU...
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What is more attractive at ole miss???
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Who says he and Harper even liked eachother during their time there?!
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What is more attractive at ole miss???
Over the last 5 years, they've averaged the #21 recruiting class. There must be something attractive there.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2F4006%2F4457435654_87c0710f99.jpg&hash=51d9ebd54cb79bd5b017e53fbd0c0b9595884be9)
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They will not win the SECOND, or their division. He might not even start there. He would start at ksu. Would have a good shot at winning the north.
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He definitely should have came here. Guaranteed starter in a perfect system, on a team that would have a legitimate chance to win our division and blay for the Big 12 championship. Oh well, no point in bitching about it now...
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Assistant coaches.
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Like it or not, Ole Miss is a sexier, more high-profile program than Kansas State. Whether Nutt admitted it or not, Masoli is, in all likelihood, going to start there and get a chance to showcase his audience on a bigger stage. Granted, Masoli is going to have to pay his way there and isn'tguaranteed the starting job, but I think he's willing to try it out, rather than play it safe in Manhattan.
Calculated risk I guess.
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What is more attractive at ole miss???
The girls, for one.
Sundresses :love:
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Could be 1000 things, but the bottomline is . . . Snyder can't land QB's, and hasn't landed anyone of significance at that position since Roberson/Dunn.
All the more reason why he can't be here in 3 years if we're 10-14 over the next 2 seasons.
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What is more attractive at ole miss???
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Need I say more?
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What is more attractive at ole miss???
The girls, for one.
Sundresses :love:
This. The girls may not be prettier, but they are trying harder than T-shirts and jeans.
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What is more attractive at ole miss???
The girls, for one.
Sundresses :love:
This. The girls may not be prettier, but they are trying harder than T-shirts and jeans.
And when they are jeans, they sure as crap aren't wranglers.
Also,
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brb, transferring to ole miss...
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Could be 1000 things, but the bottomline is . . . Snyder can't land QB's, and hasn't landed anyone of significance at that position since Roberson/Dunn.
All the more reason why he can't be here in 3 years if we're 10-14 over the next 2 seasons.
I can envision that it might be a thousand things, was just wondering if a few specific things changed since 2003.
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DOOMsday, you didn't happen to recently hire any of those girls did you?
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What is more attractive at ole miss???
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Need I say more?
FYI, that pic I posted is Oher and his sister.
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What is more attractive at ole miss???
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.teamsugar.com%2Ffiles%2Fupl2%2F1%2F13839%2F08_2009%2F2752d6813724f646_sandra-blindsided.jpg&hash=f46cd4df319a6754de28c5dd14b8fcec09cfe662)
Need I say more?
Could you find a worse pic of Sandra Bullock? I watched Crash last night, and fed the geese twice while she was on camera.
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DOOMsday, you didn't happen to recently hire any of those girls did you?
LOL
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DOOMsday, you didn't happen to recently hire any of those girls did you?
LOL
:confused:
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Dan Sams-looks like Vince Young.. So he'll be amazing..
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DOOMsday, you didn't happen to recently hire any of those girls did you?
LOL
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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He definitely should have came here. Guaranteed starter in a perfect system, on a team that would have a legitimate chance to win our division and blay for the Big 12 championship. Oh well, no point in bitching about it now...
:facepalm: Um, that's exactly the point.
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No single player spends more time with the Head Coach than does the QB. 18-22 year old stud QBs hate spending lots of time with people who tell Great Depression stories. OB turned 60 in 1999, which happens to be the last year a good QB joined his squad. If we start promising QB 'cruits that one-on-one time with OB will be minimal, we might have a chance.
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DOOMsday, you didn't happen to recently hire any of those girls did you?
LOL
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Tell me you at least "screen tested" them.
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Insidery EMAW elite posters correctly opined that OB would whiff once again. Is it just the sucky recruiting talent assistants or is it something more complicated, ie his handling of QB's in the past, emphasis on playbook over athleticism. Not naming names but some elite posters on here seem to work in the AD of KSU or at least seem to know where the bodies are buried if not employed by the AD, please share your opinions.
I've posted this before, but I'll post it again....as long as it takes....there are 3 reasons why Snyder hasn't landed a quality quarterback in over a decade.
First, the AC's have failed. Snyder hasn't signed a quality quarterback since February of 2000, and that was Ell. Ell was recruited, in part, by an elite AC staff that landed boat loads of talent for us. Once they left in the Spring of 99, we steadily declined in talent. The Senior class, that won the Big 12 championship was the last of an amazing run. Sure there was some other talent recruited following the departure of the elite AC's, but the inept leftover/new AC's were recruiting on the heals of a very high profile season and a QB who was second in the Heisman voting....hell, Sean Snyder could have put a great class together with that kind of ammunition on the recruiting trail.
Second, there are some that argue that this isn't a function of crap assistant coaches, but rather a change in the landscape of college football, due to the interwebs....and I agree, in part. What I can't accurately estimate is how damaging the rise of internet recruiting services has been to Snyder's recruiting. His recruiting declined nearly as rapidly as internet recruiting services rose in popularity. Is this a coincidence? I don't think so, but I don't think that it's the entire reason, just a contributing factor. For too long Snyder was/(is?) unwilling to admit that these services have huge clout and persuasive power, and he has refused to attempt to use them to his benefit, or at least recognize their role in the process.
Third, the region got tough. The Oklahoma and Texas schools started to rise up at the same time, as did Mizzou, Illinois, and Iowa. Schools that previously were on even footing with us, are now perceived to be better programs by today's high school students.
In summary, there pretty decent odds that he burns down the building that has his own name on it, IMO.
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"perceived to be better programs"???/ I don't think there's any "perception" about it.
Dude got old, lost his touch in hiring hot young assistants [for longer hours and lower pay than is available many other places] and the shine of the DOD is long gone. Program is now just another bottom feeder for which the only redeeming factor is a tenuous position in a BCS conference.
The question is not why he cannot sign one, but why any talented QB with other choices would want to come in and play on a team with a roster comprised of the second worst recruiting classes in the conference?
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Second, there are some that argue that this isn't a function of crap assistant coaches, but rather a change in the landscape of college football, due to the interwebs....and I agree, in part. What I can't accurately estimate is how damaging the rise of internet recruiting services has been to Snyder's recruiting. His recruiting declined nearly as rapidly as internet recruiting services rose in popularity. Is this a coincidence? I don't think so, but I don't think that it's the entire reason, just a contributing factor. For too long Snyder was/(is?) unwilling to admit that these services have huge clout and persuasive power, and he has refused to attempt to use them to his benefit, or at least recognize their role in the process.
What do you mean with your theory that Snyder refuses to "use" the recruiting rankings?
I thought you were going to say that the recruiting services turned the mythical Diamonds In The Rough that Snyder might have spotted early in his career into 4-star HS recruits by unleashing a horde of internet "scouts" at HS games nationwide. I might've gone along with that theory.
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It's all on the AC.
Joe Paterno is god knows how old and he gets Darryl Clark.
Think about it.
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Second, there are some that argue that this isn't a function of crap assistant coaches, but rather a change in the landscape of college football, due to the interwebs....and I agree, in part. What I can't accurately estimate is how damaging the rise of internet recruiting services has been to Snyder's recruiting. His recruiting declined nearly as rapidly as internet recruiting services rose in popularity. Is this a coincidence? I don't think so, but I don't think that it's the entire reason, just a contributing factor. For too long Snyder was/(is?) unwilling to admit that these services have huge clout and persuasive power, and he has refused to attempt to use them to his benefit, or at least recognize their role in the process.
What do you mean with your theory that Snyder refuses to "use" the recruiting rankings?
I thought you were going to say that the recruiting services turned the mythical Diamonds In The Rough that Snyder might have spotted early in his career into 4-star HS recruits by unleashing a horde of internet "scouts" at HS games nationwide. I might've gone along with that theory.
Yeah. I agree with GOSP. Although, "using" the recruiting services can also mean catering to the decision making process, handlers etc. But that really seemed more like a Prince problem re: Butler + all the shady no offer 160 lbs wonders. I dunno, this much crappy recruiting kind of runs together after 10 years doesn't it?
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Second, there are some that argue that this isn't a function of crap assistant coaches, but rather a change in the landscape of college football, due to the interwebs....and I agree, in part. What I can't accurately estimate is how damaging the rise of internet recruiting services has been to Snyder's recruiting. His recruiting declined nearly as rapidly as internet recruiting services rose in popularity. Is this a coincidence? I don't think so, but I don't think that it's the entire reason, just a contributing factor. For too long Snyder was/(is?) unwilling to admit that these services have huge clout and persuasive power, and he has refused to attempt to use them to his benefit, or at least recognize their role in the process.
What do you mean with your theory that Snyder refuses to "use" the recruiting rankings?
I thought you were going to say that the recruiting services turned the mythical Diamonds In The Rough that Snyder might have spotted early in his career into 4-star HS recruits by unleashing a horde of internet "scouts" at HS games nationwide. I might've gone along with that theory.
Yeah. I agree with GOSP. Although, "using" the recruiting services can also mean catering to the decision making process, handlers etc. But that really seemed more like a Prince problem re: Butler + all the shady no offer 160 lbs wonders. I dunno, this much crappy recruiting kind of runs together after 10 years doesn't it?
Perhaps "use" was the wrong phrase....I should said "actually be aware of their existence."
Obviously the biggest reason is the lack of quality AC's. The reason for the lack of quality AC's is debatable, but it's been going on so long that you really can't argue that he isn't aware of the issue. His failure to correct this issue is the interesting part....
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"perceived to be better programs"???/ I don't think there's any "perception" about it.
I agree, I only meant that when it comes to "tradition" or actual accomplishments on the field, Zook and Pinkel, for example, have nothing on Snyder....yet they out recruit the rough ridin' crap out him because they have won "lately."
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Insidery EMAW elite posters correctly opined that OB would whiff once again. Is it just the sucky recruiting talent assistants or is it something more complicated, ie his handling of QB's in the past, emphasis on playbook over athleticism. Not naming names but some elite posters on here seem to work in the AD of KSU or at least seem to know where the bodies are buried if not employed by the AD, please share your opinions.
I've posted this before, but I'll post it again....as long as it takes....there are 3 reasons why Snyder hasn't landed a quality quarterback in over a decade.
First, the AC's have failed. Snyder hasn't signed a quality quarterback since February of 2000, and that was Ell. Ell was recruited, in part, by an elite AC staff that landed boat loads of talent for us. Once they left in the Spring of 99, we steadily declined in talent. The Senior class, that won the Big 12 championship was the last of an amazing run. Sure there was some other talent recruited following the departure of the elite AC's, but the inept leftover/new AC's were recruiting on the heals of a very high profile season and a QB who was second in the Heisman voting....hell, Sean Snyder could have put a great class together with that kind of ammunition on the recruiting trail.
Second, there are some that argue that this isn't a function of crap assistant coaches, but rather a change in the landscape of college football, due to the interwebs....and I agree, in part. What I can't accurately estimate is how damaging the rise of internet recruiting services has been to Snyder's recruiting. His recruiting declined nearly as rapidly as internet recruiting services rose in popularity. Is this a coincidence? I don't think so, but I don't think that it's the entire reason, just a contributing factor. For too long Snyder was/(is?) unwilling to admit that these services have huge clout and persuasive power, and he has refused to attempt to use them to his benefit, or at least recognize their role in the process.
Third, the region got tough. The Oklahoma and Texas schools started to rise up at the same time, as did Mizzou, Illinois, and Iowa. Schools that previously were on even footing with us, are now perceived to be better programs by today's high school students.
In summary, there pretty decent odds that he burns down the building that has his own name on it, IMO.