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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8650 on: September 22, 2015, 02:29:23 PM »
Matt Cassel was the most overpaid player in Chiefs history, so I'd say they're making strides.  :th_twocents:

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8651 on: September 22, 2015, 02:42:54 PM »
Not that I'm against the thoughts that Alex is mediocre, but seriously.. use better stuff to back yourself up. 

QB Rating is probably the worst statistic you can use to compare players.  Also, your using his career average to make your point which is vastly skewed by his first 3 NFL seasons.  His last five season QB Rating avg is 93.6.

that's a funny way to do stats - throwing out the bad years.  ps, even if you throw out the 3 nightmare years and give him credit for his exceptional 2012 (which is pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)) his career QBR is 90.15.     

QBR is a fairly decent indicator of where QBs stack up.  lo

QB Rating is not a decent indicator at all.  It is completely flawed.  The only reason Alex has a somewhat high QB Rating is his completion percentage.  Does this make him a good QB or is that because he checks down like crazy.  It's why ESPN came up with Total Passer Rating to try and fix it.

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Chad Pennington is currently ranked as the 12th best quarterback of all time in terms of Passer Rating while Hall of Famer Joe Namath ranks 182nd.

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8652 on: September 22, 2015, 02:44:18 PM »
more just pointing out if you want mid level NFL QB play, it can be found cheap any time you want
This guy has flunked out with so many teams. I mean...

has a career qb rating of 79.7 a mere 3.3 points below alex smith's 83

Not that I'm against the thoughts that Alex is mediocre, but seriously.. use better stuff to back yourself up. 

QB Rating is probably the worst statistic you can use to compare players.  Also, your using his career average to make your point which is vastly skewed by his first 3 NFL seasons.  His last five season QB Rating avg is 93.6.

fine. i've defended the chiefs all along, and still kind of do, because i don't think they ever really had a legitimate better alternative option they could have pursued. but you'd have to really dig deep to convince me we aren't overpaying for a quarterback who is essentially an above average game manager.

I'm not trying to convince you we aren't overpaying for a QB.  I'm trying to convince you to stop using terrible stat categories to prove that.

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8653 on: September 22, 2015, 03:39:14 PM »
https://twitter.com/espn/status/646412407233863680

Good thing we didn't draft any of these losers!

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8654 on: September 23, 2015, 12:23:56 AM »
Matt Cassel was the most overpaid player in Chiefs history, so I'd say they're making strides.  :th_twocents:

Dallas just acquired Matt Cassel, FWIW. Not sure it's worth much, but seemed kind of relevant.

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8655 on: September 23, 2015, 07:15:15 AM »
Matt Cassel was the most overpaid player in Chiefs history, so I'd say they're making strides.  :th_twocents:

Dallas just acquired Matt Cassel, FWIW. Not sure it's worth much, but seemed kind of relevant.
They acquired him to be the backup to weeden, who was the back up to Romo and Cassel was the backup to like a undrafted QB in buffalo. So....

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8656 on: September 23, 2015, 08:03:22 AM »

Not that I'm against the thoughts that Alex is mediocre, but seriously.. use better stuff to back yourself up. 

QB Rating is probably the worst statistic you can use to compare players.  Also, your using his career average to make your point which is vastly skewed by his first 3 NFL seasons.  His last five season QB Rating avg is 93.6.

that's a funny way to do stats - throwing out the bad years.  ps, even if you throw out the 3 nightmare years and give him credit for his exceptional 2012 (which is pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)) his career QBR is 90.15.     

QBR is a fairly decent indicator of where QBs stack up.  lo

QB Rating is not a decent indicator at all.  It is completely flawed.  The only reason Alex has a somewhat high QB Rating is his completion percentage.  Does this make him a good QB or is that because he checks down like crazy.  It's why ESPN came up with Total Passer Rating to try and fix it.

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Chad Pennington is currently ranked as the 12th best quarterback of all time in terms of Passer Rating while Hall of Famer Joe Namath ranks 182nd.

Are you of the opinion that passers from the 60's are as effective and efficient as modern QBs in modern offenses? Pro-tip: they aren't. Namath had a career losing record and threw 47 more interceptions than TDs.
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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8657 on: September 23, 2015, 11:45:34 AM »
I think this just supports the strategy of drafting a franchise potential qb and if he doesnt work try again.
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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8658 on: September 23, 2015, 12:24:48 PM »

Not that I'm against the thoughts that Alex is mediocre, but seriously.. use better stuff to back yourself up. 

QB Rating is probably the worst statistic you can use to compare players.  Also, your using his career average to make your point which is vastly skewed by his first 3 NFL seasons.  His last five season QB Rating avg is 93.6.

that's a funny way to do stats - throwing out the bad years.  ps, even if you throw out the 3 nightmare years and give him credit for his exceptional 2012 (which is pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)) his career QBR is 90.15.     

QBR is a fairly decent indicator of where QBs stack up.  lo

QB Rating is not a decent indicator at all.  It is completely flawed.  The only reason Alex has a somewhat high QB Rating is his completion percentage.  Does this make him a good QB or is that because he checks down like crazy.  It's why ESPN came up with Total Passer Rating to try and fix it.

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Chad Pennington is currently ranked as the 12th best quarterback of all time in terms of Passer Rating while Hall of Famer Joe Namath ranks 182nd.

Are you of the opinion that passers from the 60's are as effective and efficient as modern QBs in modern offenses? Pro-tip: they aren't. Namath had a career losing record and threw 47 more interceptions than TDs.

I am of the opinion that QB Rating is a terrible stat.  That was just one minor sample.  There are other players from the 40's and 50's in the top 50.

The point is that QB Rating applies way too much value to completion percentage and interceptions.  So the QB's that don't take shots downfield are rewarded for both of these stat categories.

Alex Smith is #35 of all time in QB Rating.  Cassel is #64.  You can't convince me it's a good barometer of QB play.

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8659 on: September 23, 2015, 12:28:04 PM »
I think it isn't that bad, but it is impossible to use to compare players of different eras. The rules have changed so much to favor the offenses that it simply isn't the same game.
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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8660 on: September 23, 2015, 12:30:35 PM »
Alex Smith pretty much sucks and I won't hear another word about it.
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« Reply #8661 on: September 23, 2015, 08:14:35 PM »
Well said, AJ.

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8662 on: September 23, 2015, 08:23:16 PM »
applejack, please allow me to speak one more word on this.

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8663 on: September 23, 2015, 08:26:19 PM »
We've got a lot of Madden's in here. Great scoops, guys!


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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8664 on: September 23, 2015, 08:29:14 PM »
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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8665 on: September 23, 2015, 08:37:10 PM »
thanks wacky.  love my team

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8666 on: September 24, 2015, 11:12:29 PM »
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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8667 on: September 24, 2015, 11:13:57 PM »
Not now, Tobias. Sheesh. Calm down.


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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8668 on: September 25, 2015, 12:45:51 AM »
applejack, please allow me to speak one more word on this.

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8669 on: September 25, 2015, 08:24:35 AM »
You know what was awesome yesterday? I was listening to 810 and they had Alex Smith on. Anyways, BITB found out that A. Smith has a private charity (on his own) to help fund tuition for foster kids so they don't have to pay for college and have something to work for. There was some crazy stat about how few graduate from HS and he wanted to give them an incentive for completing school. He's doing this all on his own. WHAT A GUY! 


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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8670 on: September 25, 2015, 08:40:51 AM »
No one is attacking his character, WackyCat08
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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8671 on: September 25, 2015, 08:44:38 AM »
that's really good! he's a good guy. but I think we'd all be ok with him skimming a little off the top to whiten that one front tooth that's really yellow.

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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8672 on: September 25, 2015, 08:45:28 AM »
I really liked Billy Butler as a person.  I didn't like how he played baseball though. 
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Re: CHIEFS KINGDOM, REID DAWN RISING (LOWER DIVISION KC SPORTS THREAD)
« Reply #8673 on: September 25, 2015, 08:53:38 AM »
that's really good! he's a good guy. but I think we'd all be ok with him skimming a little off the top to whiten that one front tooth that's really yellow.
I think he looks like R Gos, personally. I know he sucks at football, but I thought that was pretty cool.

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« Reply #8674 on: September 25, 2015, 08:55:19 AM »
I really liked Billy Butler as a person.

did you though?