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[kim carnes]

Well, was this the official end of the Matt Cassell era?

probably not, romeo crennel seems to be incredibly dumb.  that punt at the end of the first half was inexplicable.

[ednksu]

well I think its now official that KC has a QB controversy.


and he isn't the worst QB in the league.  See Jax, very arguably Bills, arguably Romo

[Pendergast]

I haven't seen this play. Is this as big of deal as the end of Seattle-Green Bay, or are Chiefs fans completely exaggerating this call?

Not as bad, but terrible calls.  One pick play that was, well, not a pick.  And then forward progress/in the grasp call that prevented a TD.

Two TD's called back.  At best two 50/50 calls that went the wrong way.  Any rational person would call it poor officiating.

[Dugout DickStone]

Unbelievable, we have the worst QB in the league, and they still feel the need to have the stripes eff us over.

Balt is a commodity and we are dogshit.  Can't expect any breaks.

[Pendergast]

Unbelievable, we have the worst QB in the league, and they still feel the need to have the stripes eff us over.

Balt is a commodity and we are dogshit.  Can't expect any breaks.

It's not about breaks.  Any basic understanding of the rule book will show that the "pick" play was perfectly legal, and possible illegal touching by the defense.

And calling forward progress as someone is falling to the ground is also just a bad call.

[3maw]

well I think its now official that KC has a QB controversy.


and he isn't the worst QB in the league.  See Jax, very arguably Bills, arguably Romo

definitely down there, how can you not produce with our arsenal? i mean, at least fitz/romo seem to put up TD's most of the time in lieu of their turnovers. if not the worst, he's for sure tied down at the bottom. terrible unifier/leader.

[joda]

well I think its now official that KC has a QB controversy.


and he isn't the worst QB in the league.  See Jax, very arguably Bills, arguably Romo

definitely down there, how can you not produce with our arsenal? i mean, at least fitz/romo seem to put up TD's most of the time in lieu of their turnovers. if not the worst, he's for sure tied down at the bottom. terrible unifier/leader.

Yea, Fitzpatrick and Romo are both better than Cassell, I don't want either, but they're both better.

[ednksu]

well I think its now official that KC has a QB controversy.


and he isn't the worst QB in the league.  See Jax, very arguably Bills, arguably Romo

definitely down there, how can you not produce with our arsenal? i mean, at least fitz/romo seem to put up TD's most of the time in lieu of their turnovers. if not the worst, he's for sure tied down at the bottom. terrible unifier/leader.

Yea, Fitzpatrick and Romo are both better than Cassell, I don't want either, but they're both better.

I really think Romo is mediocre at best.  Cassell may not win games, but he doesn't lose games like Romo, that is the only reason why I put him down so far.
Fitzpatrick isn't that great from what I've seen.  He has a quality RB and a good defense (on paper) and still doesn't have success.

[j-dub]

well I think its now official that KC has a QB controversy.


and he isn't the worst QB in the league.  See Jax, very arguably Bills, arguably Romo

definitely down there, how can you not produce with our arsenal? i mean, at least fitz/romo seem to put up TD's most of the time in lieu of their turnovers. if not the worst, he's for sure tied down at the bottom. terrible unifier/leader.

Yea, Fitzpatrick and Romo are both better than Cassell, I don't want either, but they're both better.

I really think Romo is mediocre at best. Cassell may not win games, but he doesn't lose games like Romo, that is the only reason why I put him down so far.
Fitzpatrick isn't that great from what I've seen.  He has a quality RB and a good defense (on paper) and still doesn't have success.

of all the stupid things you have said on this board (and they are legion) this might just be the stupidest of all.


'grats 

[joda]

well I think its now official that KC has a QB controversy.


and he isn't the worst QB in the league.  See Jax, very arguably Bills, arguably Romo

definitely down there, how can you not produce with our arsenal? i mean, at least fitz/romo seem to put up TD's most of the time in lieu of their turnovers. if not the worst, he's for sure tied down at the bottom. terrible unifier/leader.

Yea, Fitzpatrick and Romo are both better than Cassell, I don't want either, but they're both better.

I really think Romo is mediocre at best.  Cassell may not win games, but he doesn't lose games like Romo, that is the only reason why I put him down so far.
Fitzpatrick isn't that great from what I've seen.  He has a quality RB and a good defense (on paper) and still doesn't have success.

If your label is "game manager" and you have as many to's as Cassell has you're losing games, and your description of Fitzpatrick fits Cassell even more than it fits Fitzpatrick

[j-dub]

also guys, it's a good thing we got screwed by the refs. a very very good thing. every loss is one step closer to pioli and his patsies getting run out of town and a 1st rd qb bringing a little hope to a franchise who needs it.

big picture guys.

lose now. win later. just like ksu hoops.

[ednksu]

well I think its now official that KC has a QB controversy.


and he isn't the worst QB in the league.  See Jax, very arguably Bills, arguably Romo

definitely down there, how can you not produce with our arsenal? i mean, at least fitz/romo seem to put up TD's most of the time in lieu of their turnovers. if not the worst, he's for sure tied down at the bottom. terrible unifier/leader.

Yea, Fitzpatrick and Romo are both better than Cassell, I don't want either, but they're both better.

I really think Romo is mediocre at best. Cassell may not win games, but he doesn't lose games like Romo, that is the only reason why I put him down so far.
Fitzpatrick isn't that great from what I've seen.  He has a quality RB and a good defense (on paper) and still doesn't have success.

of all the stupid things you have said on this board (and they are legion) this might just be the stupidest of all.


'grats 

lulz at the LNFLIQ here

[ednksu]

also guys, it's a good thing we got screwed by the refs. a very very good thing. every loss is one step closer to pioli and his patsies getting run out of town and a 1st rd qb bringing a little hope to a franchise who needs it.

big picture guys.

lose now. win later. just like ksu hoops.

bigger picture: same crap owner who isn't committed to winning.  If he hasn't seen enough already to act, what makes you think he will later, or do the right thing when he does?

[jtksu]

He will, eventually.  Even owners that don't give a crap have egos.

[ednksu]

He will, eventually.  Even owners that don't give a crap have egos.

.....ummm.....David Glass much?
KC fans are too generous.  They will show up for a few weeks or go to enough Chiefs games to keep the books in the black.  Because of revenue sharing there is no money push to show up if 'enough' fans show up.  'enough' fans show up in KC because its the only thing to do and they're pretty loyal fans who want to believe. 

Letting Brandon Carr go and not getting something long term square with Bowe show their commitment to providing a wining team.  Their best deal was by far signing Charles to his contract.  I don't believe they would do the right thing if Charles sat out for a legit fair market value contract or in an extension at fair market. 

[j-dub]

well I think its now official that KC has a QB controversy.


and he isn't the worst QB in the league.  See Jax, very arguably Bills, arguably Romo

definitely down there, how can you not produce with our arsenal? i mean, at least fitz/romo seem to put up TD's most of the time in lieu of their turnovers. if not the worst, he's for sure tied down at the bottom. terrible unifier/leader.

Yea, Fitzpatrick and Romo are both better than Cassell, I don't want either, but they're both better.

I really think Romo is mediocre at best. Cassell may not win games, but he doesn't lose games like Romo, that is the only reason why I put him down so far.
Fitzpatrick isn't that great from what I've seen.  He has a quality RB and a good defense (on paper) and still doesn't have success.

of all the stupid things you have said on this board (and they are legion) this might just be the stupidest of all.


'grats 

lulz at the LNFLIQ here

stupid gonna stupid

[3maw]

well I think its now official that KC has a QB controversy.


and he isn't the worst QB in the league.  See Jax, very arguably Bills, arguably Romo

definitely down there, how can you not produce with our arsenal? i mean, at least fitz/romo seem to put up TD's most of the time in lieu of their turnovers. if not the worst, he's for sure tied down at the bottom. terrible unifier/leader.

Yea, Fitzpatrick and Romo are both better than Cassell, I don't want either, but they're both better.

I really think Romo is mediocre at best. Cassell may not win games, but he doesn't lose games like Romo, that is the only reason why I put him down so far.
Fitzpatrick isn't that great from what I've seen.  He has a quality RB and a good defense (on paper) and still doesn't have success.

of all the stupid things you have said on this board (and they are legion) this might just be the stupidest of all.


'grats 

lulz at the LNFLIQ here

no

[j-dub]

kc fans need to get over blaming the owners. i don't like either of them all that much and would absolutely prefer better ownership, but that is not something we fans can do anything about. we can refuse to support terrible products, and the persons responsible for those poor products, namely - the general managers.

pioli and moore are far more responsible and deserving of any blame.

[ednksu]

kc fans need to get over blaming the owners. i don't like either of them all that much and would absolutely prefer better ownership, but that is not something we fans can do anything about. we can refuse to support terrible products, and the persons responsible for those poor products, namely - the general managers.

pioli and moore are far more responsible and deserving of any blame.

here is my point. When you have an owners like Glass and Hunt you have to make it very clear that their action are not being tolerated.  Every year though KC fans have a renewed sense of hope that maybe things can turn around.  So they go for a few games at the beginning of the year, big divisional games, or against marque opponents.  Every so often something great happens (pack last year) and that keeps enough fans coming.  People need to stop going entirely if the right front office moves aren't being made.  They need to stop buy crap at the games. Great now I'm sounding like a chain mail list of things to do....

Point being, KC fans are too loyal and support shitty teams way to much. The end of my point.

[3maw]

kc fans need to get over blaming the owners. i don't like either of them all that much and would absolutely prefer better ownership, but that is not something we fans can do anything about. we can refuse to support terrible products, and the persons responsible for those poor products, namely - the general managers.

pioli and moore are far more responsible and deserving of any blame.

when was the last time any chief fans felt good about draft results. definitely not overly impressed with the past couple. our line looks great now and should for a while but other than that...

[kim carnes]

well I think its now official that KC has a QB controversy.


and he isn't the worst QB in the league.  See Jax, very arguably Bills, arguably Romo

definitely down there, how can you not produce with our arsenal? i mean, at least fitz/romo seem to put up TD's most of the time in lieu of their turnovers. if not the worst, he's for sure tied down at the bottom. terrible unifier/leader.

Yea, Fitzpatrick and Romo are both better than Cassell, I don't want either, but they're both better.

I really think Romo is mediocre at best.  Cassell may not win games, but he doesn't lose games like Romo, that is the only reason why I put him down so far.
Fitzpatrick isn't that great from what I've seen.  He has a quality RB and a good defense (on paper) and still doesn't have success.

What the hell are you talking about?  Cassell loses games every week.

[jtksu]

You guys hear Eric Winston's reaction to the crowd cheering Cassel's injury?  What a rough ridin' pussy. 

[joda]

I'm still trying to figure out what Hunt has done that's so horrible. 4 of the top 5 Chiefs players are signed to multi-year deals, the 5th (Bowe) I wonder how much he actually wants to be here. Carr leaving sucked, but he signed a ridiculous contract with Dallas (he'll have the highest cap hit of any CB currently signed next year) that's way over value so I don't see that as an issue with the owner not paying up. I see poor drafting and not improving the QB situation as the biggest problems facing the Chiefs and those fall squarely on the shoulder of the GM. I still believe that the Chiefs haven't been in the right situation to get a franchise QB but re-signing Orton or any number of other short-term fixes would have been better for the team. Pioli and Cassell is basically the NFL equivelent of Moore and Francouer.

[j-dub]

kc fans need to get over blaming the owners. i don't like either of them all that much and would absolutely prefer better ownership, but that is not something we fans can do anything about. we can refuse to support terrible products, and the persons responsible for those poor products, namely - the general managers.

pioli and moore are far more responsible and deserving of any blame.

when was the last time any chief fans felt good about draft results. definitely not overly impressed with the past couple. our line looks great now and should for a while but other than that...

i'm not speaking about the drafts so much as the general organizational philosophy... pioli acting as if he knows something no one else does. doggedly refusing to admit mistakes. failing to acknowledge that brady and belichek are the reason "the patriot way" won games. hiring retread patriot patsies who will goose step behind him and never dare to question him.

the drafts are merely an extension of pioli's half-baked philosophy.

[ednksu]

You guys hear Eric Winston's reaction to the crowd cheering Cassel's injury?  What a rough ridin' pussy.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/10/7/3470224/eric-winston-quotes-matt-cassel-injury-fans-cheering


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Eric Winston: Fans cheering Matt Cassel's injury are 'sickening'
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By Joel Thorman on Oct 7, 3:58p
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The Chiefs OT had something to say to the fans following Sunday's game.

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Following Sunday's game, Kansas City Chiefs OT Eric Winston gathered a few media folks around for an announcement regarding those fans who cheered when Matt Cassel was knocked out of the game.

Here is the whole statement:

"We are athletes, OK? We are athletes. We are not gladiators. This is not the Roman Coliseum. People pay their hard-earned money when they come in here and I believe they can boo, they can cheer and they can do whatever they want, I believe that. We are lucky to play this game. People, it's hard to economic times, and they still pay the money to do this.

"But when somebody gets hurt, there are long lasting ramifications to the game we play, long lasting ramifications to the game we play. I've already kinda come to the understanding that I won't live as long because I play this game and that's OK, that's a choice I've made and a choice all of us have made.

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"But when you cheer, when you cheer somebody getting knocked out, I don't care who it is, and it just so happened to be Matt Cassel -- it's sickening. It's 100 percent sickening. I've been in some rough times on some rough teams, I've never been more embarrassed in my life to play football than in that moment right there.

"I get emotional about it because these guys, they work their butts off. Matt Cassel hasn't done anything to you people, hasn't done anything to you people. Hasn't done anything to the media writers that kill him, hasn't done anything wrong to the people that come out here and cheer him. Hey, if he's not the best quarterback then he's not the best quarterback and that's OK. But he's a person. And he got knocked out in a game and we have 70,000 people cheering that he got knocked out?

"Boo him all you want. Boo me all you want. Throw me under the bus. Tell me I'm doing a bad job. Say I gotta protect him more. Do whatever you want. Say whatever you want. But if you are one of those people, one of those people that were out there cheering or even smiled when he got knocked out, I just want to let you know, and I want everybody to know that I think it's sickening and disgusting. We are not gladiators and this is not the Roman Coliseum. This is a game.

"I'll sit here and I'll answer all your questions for the next 30 minutes if you want to ask them and I'll take all the responsibility I can take because I deserve it but don't blame a guy, and don't cheer for a guy who has done everything in his power to play as good as he can for the fans.

"It's sickening. And I was embarrassed. I want every single one of you people to put this on your station and in your newspapers because I want every fan to know that. This is a game that's going to cost us a lot down the road. That's OK. We picked it, we deserve it and I don't want your pity. But we have a lot of problems as a society if people think that's OK.

"I'll get off my soap box and you guys can ask any football question you want."