Practice Facility

[wabash909]

Pretty sure that was BS-ing. It would be pretty ridiculous if they decided to forgo something that would make the facility better just because of a shortlived nickname.

Yeah, nothing ridiculous ever happens in KSU athletics.   

Pretty sure my octagon story is true.

Probably don't wanna have to move all the baby trees around Bramlage. It's a green thing.


Heard from a B+ source you are right.

Are you serious? There had to be somethin else right? This would make no sense at all

[Havs]

So havs... They put a new practice facility there and that tilt-up monstrocity you posted a while back converts to a corn crib?  Man, those 'clones can SURE raise money!

Some of the best moments of my life were in corn cribs. This only excites me more about the future of Iowa State Basketball!!

However, last I checked, a finished and usable monstrosity of a practice facility (your opinion, not mine) is a lot more usable than a couple blueprints of a future building sitting in Anderson Hall. The Iowa State basketball programs each have an entire gym (with state of the art training, video, and weight facilities) to each team specifically for them and them only. Last I checked, KSU just had blueprints.

[sonofdaxjones]

Just to give an idea of the state of construction bids.

The winning construction bid for the expansion of the Rec Center came in at $15.9 million.  I am pretty sure they budgeted $17 million for the construction phase of the project.

[Pete]

So havs... They put a new practice facility there and that tilt-up monstrocity you posted a while back converts to a corn crib?  Man, those 'clones can SURE raise money!

Some of the best moments of my life were in corn cribs. This only excites me more about the future of Iowa State Basketball!!

However, last I checked, a finished and usable monstrosity of a practice facility (your opinion, not mine) is a lot more usable than a couple blueprints of a future building sitting in Anderson Hall. The Iowa State basketball programs each have an entire gym (with state of the art training, video, and weight facilities) to each team specifically for them and them only. Last I checked, KSU just had blueprints.

Basketball practice facilities are NOT about PRACTICING in them.  They are about recruiting.  Showing a recruit sweet ass blueprints and drawings that will be realized within another year-and-a-half are a helluva lot more compelling than an existing monstrosity (my opinion, and soon to be yours). 

[Benja]

Ohio State put in permanent seating in their previously open south end zone. This mostly closed up their stadium, but they had no problem holding onto the "horseshoe" nickname.






Our situation is much the same. Even if we build onto the OOD, it will clearly be an add-on and a separate structure from the distinct octagon shape of the OOD. It would still obviously be an octagon from inside, from the air, from just about everywhere.

The exterior of Bramlage isn't exactly awe-inspiring. Not too likely anyone is gonna get it and a brand new elite practice facility confused as the same building.

Not to mention that even if none of this were true, it would be NUTS, as I'm sure even _fan would agree, to make a decision like this based on a one year old nickname, no matter how great it is.

So I guess for now I'll just assume that there are other factors involved because this is all just too weird. Hey, either way we're gettin a beautiful shiny new building for Frank. I'm still stoked  

[Trim]

Not to mention that even if none of this were true, it would be NUTS, as I'm sure even _fan would agree, to make a decision like this based on a one year old nickname, no matter how great it is.

The fact of the matter is that if there was a cool-sounding "-gon" name for the ridiculous shape Bramlage would've been w/the original proposed addition, we'd be looking at the $20 million blueprints right now.  Oh well.  Now we'll have our pretty good $16 million detached facility right next to and connecting walkway to the OCTAGON. 

[captaincrap]

Not to mention that even if none of this were true, it would be NUTS, as I'm sure even _fan would agree, to make a decision like this based on a one year old nickname, no matter how great it is.

The fact of the matter is that if there was a cool-sounding "-gon" name for the ridiculous shape Bramlage would've been w/the original proposed addition, we'd be looking at the $20 million blueprints right now.  Oh well.  Now we'll have our pretty good $16 million detached facility right next to and connecting walkway to the OCTAGON. 

The facility will not be connected to Bramlage, but it has nothing to do with the OOD name. Connecting the new building would mean that Bramlage would have to be brought up to code, a multimillion dollar project in itself. Leaving them as two seperate structures rather than one big one allows us to get major bang for the bucks in the new facility, rather than spending it on hidden code-related things that most people don't notice...

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Not to mention that even if none of this were true, it would be NUTS, as I'm sure even _fan would agree, to make a decision like this based on a one year old nickname, no matter how great it is.

The fact of the matter is that if there was a cool-sounding "-gon" name for the ridiculous shape Bramlage would've been w/the original proposed addition, we'd be looking at the $20 million blueprints right now.  Oh well.  Now we'll have our pretty good $16 million detached facility right next to and connecting walkway to the OCTAGON. 

"Polygon of Doom" is sufficiently vague to work for any shape.  Maybe I should've e-mailed this to the A.D. earlier.

[CNS]

Construction documents are what the phase of the design that the contractors will build from.

The designer will start with conceptual documents and, after fine tuning macro items with customer, will eventually build a code/permit set.   This one gets through the city review.  Construction doc's will be what the superintendent and trade formen have in their hands as they dig holes, erect steel, set the wood floor, and etc. 

Benja is right.  the fact that this is in the construction doc's phase def means that this is happening pretty soon.

[Benja]

Not to mention that even if none of this were true, it would be NUTS, as I'm sure even _fan would agree, to make a decision like this based on a one year old nickname, no matter how great it is.

The fact of the matter is that if there was a cool-sounding "-gon" name for the ridiculous shape Bramlage would've been w/the original proposed addition, we'd be looking at the $20 million blueprints right now.  Oh well.  Now we'll have our pretty good $16 million detached facility right next to and connecting walkway to the OCTAGON. 

The facility will not be connected to Bramlage, but it has nothing to do with the OOD name. Connecting the new building would mean that Bramlage would have to be brought up to code, a multimillion dollar project in itself. Leaving them as two seperate structures rather than one big one allows us to get major bang for the bucks in the new facility, rather than spending it on hidden code-related things that most people don't notice...

That's awesome news. Pretty much exactly the reasoning I was hoping for. Thanks for sharing.

[Havs]

So havs... They put a new practice facility there and that tilt-up monstrocity you posted a while back converts to a corn crib?  Man, those 'clones can SURE raise money!

Some of the best moments of my life were in corn cribs. This only excites me more about the future of Iowa State Basketball!!

However, last I checked, a finished and usable monstrosity of a practice facility (your opinion, not mine) is a lot more usable than a couple blueprints of a future building sitting in Anderson Hall. The Iowa State basketball programs each have an entire gym (with state of the art training, video, and weight facilities) to each team specifically for them and them only. Last I checked, KSU just had blueprints.

Basketball practice facilities are NOT about PRACTICING in them.  They are about recruiting.  Showing a recruit sweet ass blueprints and drawings that will be realized within another year-and-a-half are a helluva lot more compelling than an existing monstrosity (my opinion, and soon to be yours). 

Do you think a basketball recruit cares what color the building is? or whether its brick or stone? Looks and appearance on the exterior are honestly in the eyes of the beholder. Everything inside that building is state-of-the-art to the extreme. Training tables, weight room, film equipment, theatre, recreation facilities for players, coaches offices, all in one. I find it really really humorous that a lot of you are saying recruits hate our facility, when most have said it was a big reason they chose Iowa State. E.G.: Incoming Freshman Eric McKnight chose Iowa State over Indiana because he could live close to a practice facility he had 24 hour access to. Recruiting hasn't exactly been a problem at Iowa State, our basketball facilities are some of the best in the Big 12. The problem was coaching and leading with Coach Mac. A lot of you hate that we have a working facility while yours is still a blueprint and an idea.

[Benja]

Construction documents are what the phase of the design that the contractors will build from.

The designer will start with conceptual documents and, after fine tuning macro items with customer, will eventually build a code/permit set.   This one gets through the city review.  Construction doc's will be what the superintendent and trade formen have in their hands as they dig holes, erect steel, set the wood floor, and etc. 

Benja is right.  the fact that this is in the construction doc's phase def means that this is happening pretty soon.

Around 18 months construction time is what most of these new big-time facilities seem to be taking. Assuming ours is just a bit smaller and we can shoot for around 16, we'd still have to be breaking ground by August to even have the thing done by December.

Not super important but it would be nice to get it ready before the 12' season kicks off. Hope we learned from the car garage debacle.

[Trim]

Not to mention that even if none of this were true, it would be NUTS, as I'm sure even _fan would agree, to make a decision like this based on a one year old nickname, no matter how great it is.

The fact of the matter is that if there was a cool-sounding "-gon" name for the ridiculous shape Bramlage would've been w/the original proposed addition, we'd be looking at the $20 million blueprints right now.  Oh well.  Now we'll have our pretty good $16 million detached facility right next to and connecting walkway to the OCTAGON.  

The facility will not be connected to Bramlage, but it has nothing to do with the OOD name. Connecting the new building would mean that Bramlage would have to be brought up to code, a multimillion dollar project in itself. Leaving them as two seperate structures rather than one big one allows us to get major bang for the bucks in the new facility, rather than spending it on hidden code-related things that most people don't notice...

I had no f'n idea that I sounded even the slightest bit convincing about the 'gon thing.  

EDIT: REELED EM IN AGAIN!!!

[Trim]

So havs... They put a new practice facility there and that tilt-up monstrocity you posted a while back converts to a corn crib?  Man, those 'clones can SURE raise money!

Some of the best moments of my life were in corn cribs. This only excites me more about the future of Iowa State Basketball!!

However, last I checked, a finished and usable monstrosity of a practice facility (your opinion, not mine) is a lot more usable than a couple blueprints of a future building sitting in Anderson Hall. The Iowa State basketball programs each have an entire gym (with state of the art training, video, and weight facilities) to each team specifically for them and them only. Last I checked, KSU just had blueprints.

Basketball practice facilities are NOT about PRACTICING in them.  They are about recruiting.  Showing a recruit sweet ass blueprints and drawings that will be realized within another year-and-a-half are a helluva lot more compelling than an existing monstrosity (my opinion, and soon to be yours). 

Do you think a basketball recruit cares what color the building is? or whether its brick or stone? Looks and appearance on the exterior are honestly in the eyes of the beholder. Everything inside that building is state-of-the-art to the extreme. Training tables, weight room, film equipment, theatre, recreation facilities for players, coaches offices, all in one. I find it really really humorous that a lot of you are saying recruits hate our facility, when most have said it was a big reason they chose Iowa State. E.G.: Incoming Freshman Eric McKnight chose Iowa State over Indiana because he could live close to a practice facility he had 24 hour access to. Recruiting hasn't exactly been a problem at Iowa State, our basketball facilities are some of the best in the Big 12. The problem was coaching and leading with Coach Mac. A lot of you hate that we have a working facility while yours is still a blueprint and an idea.

I think most of us are indifferent about all things iowa state basketball.

[steve dave]

Not to mention that even if none of this were true, it would be NUTS, as I'm sure even _fan would agree, to make a decision like this based on a one year old nickname, no matter how great it is.

The fact of the matter is that if there was a cool-sounding "-gon" name for the ridiculous shape Bramlage would've been w/the original proposed addition, we'd be looking at the $20 million blueprints right now.  Oh well.  Now we'll have our pretty good $16 million detached facility right next to and connecting walkway to the OCTAGON.  

The facility will not be connected to Bramlage, but it has nothing to do with the OOD name. Connecting the new building would mean that Bramlage would have to be brought up to code, a multimillion dollar project in itself. Leaving them as two seperate structures rather than one big one allows us to get major bang for the bucks in the new facility, rather than spending it on hidden code-related things that most people don't notice...

I had no f'n idea that I sounded even the slightest bit convincing about the 'gon thing.  

EDIT: REELED EM IN AGAIN!!!

Proof cc should spend more time on the board dropping insidery info and learning the nuances of all the posters?  I say yes.

[sys]

I think most of us are indifferent about all things iowa state basketball.

far from indifferent.

[KITNfury]

So havs... They put a new practice facility there and that tilt-up monstrocity you posted a while back converts to a corn crib?  Man, those 'clones can SURE raise money!

Some of the best moments of my life were in corn cribs. This only excites me more about the future of Iowa State Basketball!!

However, last I checked, a finished and usable monstrosity of a practice facility (your opinion, not mine) is a lot more usable than a couple blueprints of a future building sitting in Anderson Hall. The Iowa State basketball programs each have an entire gym (with state of the art training, video, and weight facilities) to each team specifically for them and them only. Last I checked, KSU just had blueprints.

Basketball practice facilities are NOT about PRACTICING in them.  They are about recruiting.  Showing a recruit sweet ass blueprints and drawings that will be realized within another year-and-a-half are a helluva lot more compelling than an existing monstrosity (my opinion, and soon to be yours). 

Do you think a basketball recruit cares what color the building is? or whether its brick or stone? Looks and appearance on the exterior are honestly in the eyes of the beholder. Everything inside that building is state-of-the-art to the extreme. Training tables, weight room, film equipment, theatre, recreation facilities for players, coaches offices, all in one. I find it really really humorous that a lot of you are saying recruits hate our facility, when most have said it was a big reason they chose Iowa State. E.G.: Incoming Freshman Eric McKnight chose Iowa State over Indiana because he could live close to a practice facility he had 24 hour access to. Recruiting hasn't exactly been a problem at Iowa State, our basketball facilities are some of the best in the Big 12. The problem was coaching and leading with Coach Mac. A lot of you hate that we have a working facility while yours is still a blueprint and an idea.

I think most of us are indifferent about all things iowa state basketball.

There you go.

[Trim]

I think most of us are indifferent about all things iowa state basketball.

far from indifferent.

I mean, they can go straight to hell alright.  But not the depths of hell like Stacey.

[Havs]

So havs... They put a new practice facility there and that tilt-up monstrocity you posted a while back converts to a corn crib?  Man, those 'clones can SURE raise money!

Some of the best moments of my life were in corn cribs. This only excites me more about the future of Iowa State Basketball!!

However, last I checked, a finished and usable monstrosity of a practice facility (your opinion, not mine) is a lot more usable than a couple blueprints of a future building sitting in Anderson Hall. The Iowa State basketball programs each have an entire gym (with state of the art training, video, and weight facilities) to each team specifically for them and them only. Last I checked, KSU just had blueprints.

Basketball practice facilities are NOT about PRACTICING in them.  They are about recruiting.  Showing a recruit sweet ass blueprints and drawings that will be realized within another year-and-a-half are a helluva lot more compelling than an existing monstrosity (my opinion, and soon to be yours). 

Do you think a basketball recruit cares what color the building is? or whether its brick or stone? Looks and appearance on the exterior are honestly in the eyes of the beholder. Everything inside that building is state-of-the-art to the extreme. Training tables, weight room, film equipment, theatre, recreation facilities for players, coaches offices, all in one. I find it really really humorous that a lot of you are saying recruits hate our facility, when most have said it was a big reason they chose Iowa State. E.G.: Incoming Freshman Eric McKnight chose Iowa State over Indiana because he could live close to a practice facility he had 24 hour access to. Recruiting hasn't exactly been a problem at Iowa State, our basketball facilities are some of the best in the Big 12. The problem was coaching and leading with Coach Mac. A lot of you hate that we have a working facility while yours is still a blueprint and an idea.

I think most of us are indifferent about all things iowa state basketball.

Fair enough, I'll slide that onto McDermott.

[jtksu]

I didn't notice any bays for tractor warming in those pictures, kinda confused by that.

Also, WTF needs to be done to the OOD to "bring it to code?". It's not like it's some super old and outdated fieldhouse...

[pc5k]

I didn't notice any bays for tractor warming in those pictures, kinda confused by that.

Also, WTF needs to be done to the OOD to "bring it to code?". It's not like it's some super old and outdated fieldhouse...

things like 2 prong outlets and knob and tube wiring

[wabash909]

I didn't notice any bays for tractor warming in those pictures, kinda confused by that.

Also, WTF needs to be done to the OOD to "bring it to code?". It's not like it's some super old and outdated fieldhouse...

things like 2 prong outlets and knob and tube wiring

The real costs are bringing the building up to modern ADA compliance standards.  We'd spend over a million on this alone.

[jtksu]

I didn't notice any bays for tractor warming in those pictures, kinda confused by that.

Also, WTF needs to be done to the OOD to "bring it to code?". It's not like it's some super old and outdated fieldhouse...

things like 2 prong outlets and knob and tube wiring

The real costs are bringing the building up to modern ADA compliance standards.  We'd spend over a million on this alone.

I was thinking that all city, county, state, etc buildings had to be compliant...

[wabash909]

I didn't notice any bays for tractor warming in those pictures, kinda confused by that.

Also, WTF needs to be done to the OOD to "bring it to code?". It's not like it's some super old and outdated fieldhouse...

things like 2 prong outlets and knob and tube wiring

The real costs are bringing the building up to modern ADA compliance standards.  We'd spend over a million on this alone.

I was thinking that all city, county, state, etc buildings had to be compliant...

It is, but ADA compliant to past standards in place at the time of construction.  ADA compliance standards evolve over time and in the event of a substantial building modification, we would be obligated to bring the entire building up to the current code standards in in line with the local jurisdiction.

[KITNfury]

I didn't notice any bays for tractor warming in those pictures, kinda confused by that.

Also, WTF needs to be done to the OOD to "bring it to code?". It's not like it's some super old and outdated fieldhouse...

things like 2 prong outlets and knob and tube wiring

The real costs are bringing the building up to modern ADA compliance standards.  We'd spend over a million on this alone.

I was thinking that all city, county, state, etc buildings had to be compliant...

It is, but ADA compliant to past standards in place at the time of construction.  ADA compliance standards evolve over time and in the event of a substantial building modification, we would be obligated to bring the entire building up to the current code standards in in line with the local jurisdiction.

Seems tarded.