Let's talk about Elon Musk

[BIG APPLE CAT]

This is the American system we signed up for and cheered for when it was the left making the judgement calls and slamming stuff through.

And the incompetence of the Democratic Party has left us in this position and I am very angry about that.

Pete while I think it’s a pretty disingenuous comparison of what doge is doing vs implementing Obamacare, at least Obamacare was providing a much needed service, and it was available to the people who needed it? Doge is taking a chainsaw to a bonsai tree, and for the sake of saving pennies. I won't try to argue that Obamacare didn't indirectly cause some folks to lose their jobs, but the roll out didn't come with firing a crap ton of people

[Pete]

This is the American system we signed up for and cheered for when it was the left making the judgement calls and slamming stuff through.

And the incompetence of the Democratic Party has left us in this position and I am very angry about that.

It's not remotely the same, Pete. And there is no way you actually believe they are similar.

Are the mechanics not similar?

No, they are not.

Well, that’s a matter for the Supreme Court to decide, not you and I. 

[Pete]

This is the American system we signed up for and cheered for when it was the left making the judgement calls and slamming stuff through.

And the incompetence of the Democratic Party has left us in this position and I am very angry about that.

Pete while I think it’s a pretty disingenuous comparison of what doge is doing vs implementing Obamacare, at least Obamacare was providing a much needed service, and it was available to the people who needed it? Doge is taking a chainsaw to a bonsai tree, and for the sake of saving pennies. I won't try to argue that Obamacare didn't indirectly cause some folks to lose their jobs, but the roll out didn't come with firing a crap ton of people

The Democrats made their choices, these are the consequences.

[CNS]

My prediction is that at some date in the future upon reflection, a solid majority of voters will agree that Doge did indeed find a very high level of waste and fraud.

I also predict that we will continue to have an exceptionally large divide among voters in the approval rating of the actions that the administration took based on Doge’s findings.

Devout democrats are in a tricky spot. It would be very hurtful to the Democrats if doge found a high volume of waste and fraud and doge ended up hitting its goal of $1 trillion in savings.  https://youtube.com/shorts/IzvHnRVcwY0?si=H8VJ61mgkPNAN6Wz

On the other hand devout democrats will be in a perfect position to crush maga if the administration cuts programs in a way that negatively impacts a majority of voters and also fails to achieve their savings goal.  Doge could push left leaning republicans toward the democrats if they fail.

Lol. Democrats are just absolutely horrendous at modern politics and messaging. They could be having a press conference every day about the everyday people that are getting wrecked by all of this. Farmers, government workers, veterans, etc. They could literally be doing this every day at the steps of these buildings. Yet, they are just sitting back and letting MAGA control the message as always. It's amazing how shitty they are at this.

The dems have been literally trying to push hope and progress.  Today's politics is nearly completely driven and empowered by crap posting and a lot of levels.  I am not sure how to set up a national level trolling that also comes across as hopefull and good for people.  It is super easy to do if your message is hate and discontent.  Good governance may be impossible to gain if we all have to act like idiots throughout the entire process.

[CHONGS]

Sadopopulism is addictive

[Stupid Fitz]

My prediction is that at some date in the future upon reflection, a solid majority of voters will agree that Doge did indeed find a very high level of waste and fraud.

I also predict that we will continue to have an exceptionally large divide among voters in the approval rating of the actions that the administration took based on Doge’s findings.

Devout democrats are in a tricky spot. It would be very hurtful to the Democrats if doge found a high volume of waste and fraud and doge ended up hitting its goal of $1 trillion in savings.  https://youtube.com/shorts/IzvHnRVcwY0?si=H8VJ61mgkPNAN6Wz

On the other hand devout democrats will be in a perfect position to crush maga if the administration cuts programs in a way that negatively impacts a majority of voters and also fails to achieve their savings goal.  Doge could push left leaning republicans toward the democrats if they fail.

Lol. Democrats are just absolutely horrendous at modern politics and messaging. They could be having a press conference every day about the everyday people that are getting wrecked by all of this. Farmers, government workers, veterans, etc. They could literally be doing this every day at the steps of these buildings. Yet, they are just sitting back and letting MAGA control the message as always. It's amazing how shitty they are at this.

The dems have been literally trying to push hope and progress.  Today's politics is nearly completely driven and empowered by crap posting and a lot of levels.  I am not sure how to set up a national level trolling that also comes across as hopefull and good for people.  It is super easy to do if your message is hate and discontent.  Good governance may be impossible to gain if we all have to act like idiots throughout the entire process.

While I do agree that is way easier to be on the R side. They love a boogyman (rough ridin' love them) and they have the ability to change the thing that they want the dummies to be afraid of at any point so they can keep picking their pockets. The DOGE crap is easy messaging though. Regular people are being hurt by lots of this. Get on the rough ridin' news and talk about it more. It's not an original idea, but have a press conference when jobs are lost. Interview those people. Do rough ridin' something. I don't do much social media so maybe they are and I just don't know???

[CNS]

Have you seen where Elon has mentioned that he will be using his wealth to primary R's and D's who oppose him?  Money is like 99% of the game and the wealthiest man in the world could smoke you with pocket change if you are anyone in congress right now.

[catastrophe]

The only thing worse than Obamacare is literally every other option apparently since the supermajority under Trump refused to change a damn thing other than make fewer people insured in order to afford more tax breaks.

[DQ12]

Justify? Clearly no, I just said that.

That’s not at all what you said. You referred to the ends, and made no mention of intent. What makes a good act a good act in your opinion?

Maybe I didn't understand you then. You asked:

Do you believe that good intentions justify any horrible outcome?

The end is what the intent wants to reach.  The means are how to get there.  Good intentions are perhaps seeking good ends, but a good end doesn't justify any process to get there.

We’re definitely wrestling with stuff here that humans have been wrestling with for an awful long time.

My personal preference is rule based utilitarian. We set up a framework that tries to maximize aggregate net benefit, and where resources allow we indulge in case by case examination. But, it’s an awful big damn country.

I suspected that you were a utilitarian. I have pretty big issues with utilitarianism and it's ability (IMO) to justify pretty horrendous atrocities. In fact I think all of the great atrocities I can think of were probably justified by the perpetrators as creating a net good for the world.

CS Lewis has a pretty great quote for this I like:

I can imagine no man who will look with more horror on the End than a conscientious revolutionary who has, in a sense sincerely, been justifying cruelties and injustices inflicted on millions of his contemporaries by the benefits which he hopes to confer on future generations.

Wholly agree with this. I’m also a pretty big CS stan.

[michigancat]

Good thread supporting the hypothesis that the DOGE guys aren't very smart

https://x.com/electricfutures/status/1891898336208105676

[michigancat]

Like I honestly wouldn't be surprised if doge ends up saving virtually nothing in the end when you consider lawsuits and fees for breaking leases and a general misunderstanding of his government contacts work.

[cfbandyman]

Like I honestly wouldn't be surprised if doge ends up saving virtually nothing in the end when you consider lawsuits and fees for breaking leases and a general misunderstanding of his government contacts work.

S you're saying a made up department staffed by newbies who know nothing "lead" by an official/unofficial dude with the sole purpose of making it look like they do anything who is the biggest overpromise under deliver guy since the actual dude in the white house isn't going to save any money?

 

[Stupid Fitz]

Like I honestly wouldn't be surprised if doge ends up saving virtually nothing in the end when you consider lawsuits and fees for breaking leases and a general misunderstanding of his government contacts work.

Are we still getting our $5k?

[chum1]

Their goal is 2 trillion. This says they're up to 8.6 billion. So, like 99.5% left to go.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/global-trends/doge-says-its-saved-trump-government-55-billion-itemized-data-show-far-less/articleshow/118385995.cms

[MakeItRain]

$4.2 trillion spent and not even a little 4 word blip about what each check was for?

Seems very normal

I guess I'm surprised you're taking their word on this, they lie a lot and there has been no data dump on this $4.2 trillion. Also they routinely give different amounts for the same figure wasted/saved/or whatever they are lying about at the time. What is this $4.2 trillion referring to?

[Rage Against the McKee]

$4.2 trillion spent and not even a little 4 word blip about what each check was for?

Seems very normal

I guess I'm surprised you're taking their word on this, they lie a lot and there has been no data dump on this $4.2 trillion. Also they routinely give different amounts for the same figure wasted/saved/or whatever they are lying about at the time. What is this $4.2 trillion referring to?

I'm not surprised he's taking their word on this at all.

[Stupid Fitz]

How much of these made up numbers is the salaries of everyday Americans that may be hired back because they should have never been fired in the first place or worse, will be on benefits because they got fired by idiots? I think they are really on to something here. Big brain stuff actually. Every big company should just slash their workforces by like 50%. Boom, savings.

[Cire]

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[Rage Against the McKee]

Here's hoping that when they eventually get sued for breach of contract, the plaintiff is awarded the full $8 billion.

[MakeItRain]

Look at the bright side here guys. the standard is that the winner of the presidential contest gets the spoils.  Obama really got this motherfuckering Pandora’s box of presidential power rolling launching Obama care and host of other executive orders that I cheered. I loved Obamacare (and still do), but I didn’t think it went far enough. I would have supported Obama go even further and trampling on our system of government to enact universal healthcare.

It would be pretty hypocritical of someone like me to get Ben out of shape about Trump doing the same type of crap that Obama did. I think Trump’s taking it farther, but I have no doubt that the next left leaning president will take it even farther than Trump.

When the tides turn again, left leaning initiatives will come sweeping through.

That would be every bit as terrible as this is.

eh, nah, not at all. I think this is far too cavalier about what's happening here. People who make $60,000 a year are being tossed on their ass and not even given unemployment benefits. The things being hacked apart will never be replicated by dems, not that we'd ever find out, they don't have the stomach to do whatever the inverse of this is.

[Brock Landers]

Like I honestly wouldn't be surprised if doge ends up saving virtually nothing in the end when you consider lawsuits and fees for breaking leases and a general misunderstanding of his government contacts work.

Are we still getting our $5k?

$5k?  Pffft, the DOGE Dividend checks will be like $700 and they will brag about how smart Elon is and how much he loves ordinary Americans by returning their hard earned tax dollars back to them.  And it will work.

[steve dave]

lmao

https://x.com/theviewfromll2/status/1892291090645987495?s=46


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[michigancat]

lmao

https://x.com/theviewfromll2/status/1892291090645987495?s=46


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lol these fuckin morons

[Dugout DickStone]

lmao

https://x.com/theviewfromll2/status/1892291090645987495?s=46


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no way they are this stupid

[michigancat]

https://x.com/AnnaBower/status/1892392176912388246