Let's talk about Elon Musk

[Pete]

a fun thing about what's going on in the most powerful country on earth is that now a (rascist/austistic/silver spoon/psuedo-intellectual) is now in charge. all good things we want in a leader for sure.

Although when you think about it, it’s really not that outrageous to assume that there have been prior instances of racist autistic Silverspoon pseudo intellectuals advising the president in a very persuasive way. In fact, you might argue that’s the profile of most presidential advisors over the years.

That sounds like the description of everyone in a political think tank, besides the business development guys.

[steve dave]

a fun thing about what's going on in the most powerful country on earth is that now a (rascist/austistic/silver spoon/psuedo-intellectual) is now in charge. all good things we want in a leader for sure.

Although when you think about it, it’s really not that outrageous to assume that there have been prior instances of racist autistic Silverspoon pseudo intellectuals advising the president in a very persuasive way. In fact, you might argue that’s the profile of most presidential advisors over the years.

That sounds like the description of everyone in a political think tank, besides the business development guys.

name them

[Stevesie60]

So to recap the past could of pages, a woman died because Elon needed pause medicare/medicaid to find waste and/or corruption, and then Elon gave himself a $400M contract using our tax dollars, while Space X also makes $40 million in our tax dollars? Man, it's almost as if this was entirely predictable and dax's cult is so invested in not looking like dumb fucks after sucking Trump's dick for 8 years, that they're never going to admit to being wrong.

Two of the richest people in the world are taking money from the poor and giving it to themselves.

And Trump doesn't allow any media group that he doesn't like to interview him anymore. And sues people if the say mean things about him.

Do I have anything wrong?

[Stevesie60]

Also a thought experiment I had today was imagining MAGA's reaction if Elon was a black African instead of the white one.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

It does kind of resemble when the Czars were advised by Rasputin.

I refuse to accept that Elon is a virile lover. I mean I know he has a ton of kids but I’d bet my life each of those poor women was just dead fishin it start to finish. Ain’t no way Milania is getting her world rocked by Elon not now not ever.

[Pete]

a fun thing about what's going on in the most powerful country on earth is that now a (rascist/austistic/silver spoon/psuedo-intellectual) is now in charge. all good things we want in a leader for sure.

Although when you think about it, it’s really not that outrageous to assume that there have been prior instances of racist autistic Silverspoon pseudo intellectuals advising the president in a very persuasive way. In fact, you might argue that’s the profile of most presidential advisors over the years.

That sounds like the description of everyone in a political think tank, besides the business development guys.

name them

Do you think I know the names of actual former presidential advisors?

[Pete]

It does kind of resemble when the Czars were advised by Rasputin.

I refuse to accept that Elon is a virile lover. I mean I know he has a ton of kids but I’d bet my life each of those poor women was just dead fishin it start to finish. Ain’t no way Milania is getting her world rocked by Elon not now not ever.

Their number one goal had to have been to get him to finish as fast as possible.

[Pete]

So to recap the past could of pages, a woman died because Elon needed pause medicare/medicaid to find waste and/or corruption, and then Elon gave himself a $400M contract using our tax dollars, while Space X also makes $40 million in our tax dollars? Man, it's almost as if this was entirely predictable and dax's cult is so invested in not looking like dumb fucks after sucking Trump's dick for 8 years, that they're never going to admit to being wrong.

Two of the richest people in the world are taking money from the poor and giving it to themselves.

And Trump doesn't allow any media group that he doesn't like to interview him anymore. And sues people if the say mean things about him.

Do I have anything wrong?

That all is accurate I think. I certainly do not dispute any of those items. I would just add to the list that SpaceX has saved the government more money than about any other vendor swap in the history of the federal government.

SpaceX has saved NASA billions of dollars compared to Boeing and United Launch Alliance (ULA) for launching payloads and astronauts into space. Here are a few key comparisons:

1. Commercial Crew Program (NASA Crew Missions)
   •   SpaceX Crew Dragon: NASA awarded SpaceX $2.6 billion in 2014 for six crewed missions to the ISS.
   •   Boeing Starliner: NASA awarded Boeing $4.2 billion for the same six missions.
   •   Cost per seat:
   •   SpaceX Crew Dragon: ~$55 million per seat
   •   Boeing Starliner: ~$90 million per seat

SpaceX has provided cheaper and more reliable crew transport. Boeing’s Starliner has yet to complete a fully operational crewed mission as of early 2024.

2. Falcon 9 vs. ULA’s Atlas V & Delta IV
   •   Falcon 9: Cost per launch is ~$67 million (reusable)
   •   Atlas V: Cost per launch is ~$110–$150 million (expendable)
   •   Delta IV Heavy: Cost per launch is ~$400 million (expendable)

By using reusable Falcon 9 rockets, SpaceX has significantly reduced the cost of launching satellites and cargo for NASA.

3. Artemis Lunar Program: SpaceX Starship vs. Boeing SLS
   •   SpaceX Starship (Lunar Variant): NASA awarded SpaceX a $2.9 billion contract to develop a lunar lander for Artemis missions.
   •   Boeing’s SLS Rocket: Development has cost NASA over $23 billion, with each SLS launch estimated at $4.1 billion.

SpaceX’s Starship, if fully operational, could drastically lower Artemis program costs compared to Boeing’s SLS, which is expensive and not reusable.

Total Estimated Savings to NASA

Estimates suggest SpaceX has saved NASA between $20 billion and $40 billion in launch costs compared to using Boeing and ULA.

Would you like more details on specific missions or cost breakdowns?

[steve dave]

a fun thing about what's going on in the most powerful country on earth is that now a (rascist/austistic/silver spoon/psuedo-intellectual) is now in charge. all good things we want in a leader for sure.

Although when you think about it, it’s really not that outrageous to assume that there have been prior instances of racist autistic Silverspoon pseudo intellectuals advising the president in a very persuasive way. In fact, you might argue that’s the profile of most presidential advisors over the years.

That sounds like the description of everyone in a political think tank, besides the business development guys.

name them

Do you think I know the names of actual former presidential advisors?

you talked very confidently about them. if you don't believe they have the same level of influence or don't know their names then I'll assume you don't.

[steve dave]

big bold claims though. BOOGEY MEN? we have one right in our face but we point to them.

[Pete]

a fun thing about what's going on in the most powerful country on earth is that now a (rascist/austistic/silver spoon/psuedo-intellectual) is now in charge. all good things we want in a leader for sure.

Although when you think about it, it’s really not that outrageous to assume that there have been prior instances of racist autistic Silverspoon pseudo intellectuals advising the president in a very persuasive way. In fact, you might argue that’s the profile of most presidential advisors over the years.

That sounds like the description of everyone in a political think tank, besides the business development guys.

name them

Do you think I know the names of actual former presidential advisors?

you talked very confidently about them. if you don't believe they have the same level of influence or don't know their names then I'll assume you don't.

Given the time period these guys worked I bet you they were racist as eff. I mean, they all have to be white, right?

Here’s a list of presidential advisors who were known for their mathematical, quantitative, or analytical expertise:

1. John von Neumann (Advisor to President Eisenhower)
   •   A brilliant mathematician, physicist, and computer scientist.
   •   Helped develop game theory and worked on the Manhattan Project.
   •   Advised the government on nuclear strategy and computing.

2. Edward Teller (Advisor to Presidents Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Reagan)
   •   A physicist and mathematician, known as the “father of the hydrogen bomb.”
   •   Provided strategic nuclear and defense advice.

3. George P. Shultz (Advisor to Presidents Nixon and Reagan)
   •   Had a strong background in economics and quantitative analysis.
   •   Applied economic and statistical models to public policy.

4. Herbert Simon (Advisor to Presidents Johnson and Carter)
   •   A Nobel Prize-winning economist known for decision theory and artificial intelligence.
   •   His work in bounded rationality influenced government decision-making.

5. James Schlesinger (Advisor to Presidents Nixon, Ford, and Carter)
   •   An economist with a strong quantitative background.
   •   Served as Secretary of Defense and the first Secretary of Energy.

6. John Nash (Informal advisor under various administrations)
   •   A mathematician famous for his work in game theory (Nash Equilibrium).
   •   His theories influenced Cold War nuclear strategy and economics.

7. Lawrence Summers (Advisor to Presidents Clinton and Obama)
   •   An economist with expertise in mathematical modeling.
   •   Served as Treasury Secretary and Director of the National Economic Council.

8. Paul Samuelson (Advisor to Presidents Kennedy and Johnson)
   •   One of the most influential economists of the 20th century.
   •   Used advanced mathematical models to shape economic policy.

9. Henry Kissinger (Advisor to Presidents Nixon and Ford)
   •   Though primarily a political scientist, he used game theory and strategic analysis in diplomacy.

10. Alan Greenspan (Advisor to Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush Sr.)
   •   A trained economist and statistician.
   •   Applied quantitative economic models in his role as Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

[Pete]

I bet it’s a safe bet those dudes were on the spectrum too

[steve dave]

I concede all of those old white guys were racist as eff. but you're copying and pasting old white guy lore. that's a given. none of them wielded this apparent sword or amount of influence.

[Pete]

some of the individuals on that list have faced accusations of racism or bigotry, either directly or through their policies and statements. Here are the notable cases:

1. Edward Teller
   •   No known accusations of racism or bigotry, though his strong advocacy for nuclear weapons and opposition to arms control made him controversial.

2. George P. Shultz
   •   No known accusations of racism or bigotry. He was widely respected for his diplomatic work, especially in U.S.-Soviet relations.

3. Herbert Simon
   •   No known accusations of racism or bigotry. His work focused on artificial intelligence, decision theory, and economics.

4. James Schlesinger
   •   Accused of being insensitive to racial issues while leading the Department of Defense, particularly regarding military policy and treatment of minority service members.
   •   No specific public racist remarks, but some viewed his policies as favoring elite military groups over efforts to diversify.

5. John Nash
   •   Accusations of anti-Semitism and racist remarks surfaced during his life, though Nash himself denied being racist or anti-Semitic.
   •   Some reports claimed that in his younger years, he made derogatory remarks about Jewish individuals and minorities.
   •   Later in life, Nash dismissed these allegations, attributing any such behavior to his struggles with mental illness (schizophrenia).

6. Lawrence Summers
   •   Accused of sexism rather than racism.
   •   As president of Harvard University, he suggested that innate differences might explain the lack of women in science and math fields, which sparked major controversy.
   •   Apologized but still faced criticism for his views.

7. Paul Samuelson
   •   No known accusations of racism or bigotry. His work in economics was widely respected, and he promoted policies aimed at reducing inequality.

8. Henry Kissinger
   •   Accused of racist and imperialist attitudes in foreign policy.
   •   Declassified documents and recordings reveal he made derogatory remarks about South Asians, Latin Americans, and African leaders.
   •   Advocated U.S. support for regimes that engaged in racial oppression, such as apartheid South Africa.

9. Alan Greenspan
   •   No direct accusations of racism, though some critics argue that his economic policies disproportionately harmed minorities, especially in housing and banking regulation.

10. John von Neumann
   •   No known accusations of racism or bigotry. His work was primarily mathematical and technical, with no major political or social controversy.

Most Notable Cases
   •   Henry Kissinger had well-documented racist remarks and policies that disproportionately affected non-Western countries.
   •   John Nash was accused of anti-Semitism and racism, though he denied these claims later in life.
   •   Lawrence Summers was criticized for sexism but not racism.

[steve dave]

and apologies to the families of the 9 guys I've never heard of. I don't know FOR SURE if they were racist.

[Pete]

I concede all of those old white guys were racist as eff. but you're copying and pasting old white guy lore. that's a given. none of them wielded this apparent sword or amount of influence.

Well, Von Newman’s sword was a nuclear weapon so

[steve dave]

OH crap LARRY SUMMERS SHOWS UP! lmao, yeah, no apologies to his family.

[Pete]

It’s not as fashionable these days, but you don’t have to go back very far before every presidential advisor seemed like they must’ve been required to been a huge racist in order to be a presidential advisor

[Pete]

Best analogy is Gríma, also known as Wormtongue, who was the chief advisor to King Théoden King of Rohan. Gríma secretly worked for Saruman to weaken the king and Rohan. But, he may not have been autistic. And obviously Théoden was more like Obama when he woke up (no pun intended).

[steve dave]

but, pete, you concede this is unprecedented despite the other shitty examples?

[Pete]

but, pete, you concede this is unprecedented despite the other shitty examples?

Yeah, absolutely.  I personally don’t know who it is that was pulling the levers behind Biden, unless it was Jill or one of the other family members which could be kinda analogous by them getting the benefit of pardoning of his troubled kid I suppose. That’s a huge reach.

I kinda argue Cheney was that for W

[Pete]

So far I like Elon better than Cheney. I wouldn’t vote for either of them and if I could snap my fingers and make them disappear, I would.

[steve dave]

is that you dax?

[Pete]

is that you dax?

KK is on the record for saying Cheney is like the worst guy ever to live

[Pete]

What do you think makes Cheney a better human and better for America than Elon Musk?