Let's talk about Elon Musk

[wetwillie]

Oh . . . and if DOGE ever starts digging into Ukraine, I predict it will be absolutely amazing . . . An Alice in Wonderland level of waste/fraud/abuse

I predict that they will never get access to anything close to the DOD

[CNS]

If you are a living breathing human being in America, there should be absolutely zero limitations placed on you compared to any other American. It is wild to me that the right cares so much about legislating things like this. 

Its crazy to me how the country can breed such a feeling of patriotism in it's people, but we choose to out group those in that group.  We should be taught how to avoid bullshit scarcity thinking based around that.  Instead, we are killing off science and discussion.

The bolded sentence is a good sentiment, but it's a little crazy, right?   We let some "living breathing humans in America" do things all the time that we don't let others in that group do.  I can gamble on sports, my 10 year old nephew (although living and breathing) isn't allowed to do that.  My sister can write prescriptions, I don't have that freedom.  We give veterans better loan terms that aren't available to non-veterans.  We limit regular citizens' access to top-secret documents.  I don't have an issue with any of that stuff.  I think you're talking about the trans sports stuff when you say "limitations that some have that others don't," but is there something else you're referring to?

I also don't know what you mean when you say "we are killing off science and discussion"?  Like, in what way?

What I said was pretty broad, but I have to tell you that your response comes across as intentionally obtuse.  Normally, when I encounter folks being intentionally obtuse, I assume they are being disingenuous and discussing in bad faith. 

That said, you have mentioned many times recently that you are a single-issue voter, so I am assuming you just haven't heard about the elimination, and intention of elimination, of equality programs for minority groups who have historically encountered quite a bit of discrimination in our country.  I have loved ones who will be living in a world that has more ability to discriminate against them due to these moves.   
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-equal-employment-opportunity-revoke-1965-dei-what-it-means/

As for your quesiton about science: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-cdc-orders-pullback-new-scientific-papers-involving-its-researchers-source-2025-02-02/ https://apnews.com/article/trump-health-communications-cdc-hhs-fda-1eeca64c1ccc324b31b779a86d3999a4

A portion of my statement is fueled by the fear of what I think is coming based on those involved:  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-darren-beattie-state-department/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/stephen-miller-named-deputy-chief-of-policy-in-new-trump-administration  https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hate-watch/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails/  https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/10/01/jd-vances-ties-to-project-2025-explained-ahead-of-tonights-vp-debate/ 

[chum1]

I'm sure DOGE will get to the bottom of all of dax's favorite MAGA conspiracy theories.

[Cire]

If you are a living breathing human being in America, there should be absolutely zero limitations placed on you compared to any other American. It is wild to me that the right cares so much about legislating things like this. 

Its crazy to me how the country can breed such a feeling of patriotism in it's people, but we choose to out group those in that group.  We should be taught how to avoid bullshit scarcity thinking based around that.  Instead, we are killing off science and discussion.

The bolded sentence is a good sentiment, but it's a little crazy, right?   We let some "living breathing humans in America" do things all the time that we don't let others in that group do.  I can gamble on sports, my 10 year old nephew (although living and breathing) isn't allowed to do that.  My sister can write prescriptions, I don't have that freedom.  We give veterans better loan terms that aren't available to non-veterans.  We limit regular citizens' access to top-secret documents.  I don't have an issue with any of that stuff.  I think you're talking about the trans sports stuff when you say "limitations that some have that others don't," but is there something else you're referring to?

I also don't know what you mean when you say "we are killing off science and discussion"?  Like, in what way?

What I said was pretty broad, but I have to tell you that your response comes across as intentionally obtuse.  Normally, when I encounter folks being intentionally obtuse, I assume they are being disingenuous and discussing in bad faith. 

That said, you have mentioned many times recently that you are a single-issue voter, so I am assuming you just haven't heard about the elimination, and intention of elimination, of equality programs for minority groups who have historically encountered quite a bit of discrimination in our country.  I have loved ones who will be living in a world that has more ability to discriminate against them due to these moves.   
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-equal-employment-opportunity-revoke-1965-dei-what-it-means/

As for your quesiton about science: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-cdc-orders-pullback-new-scientific-papers-involving-its-researchers-source-2025-02-02/ https://apnews.com/article/trump-health-communications-cdc-hhs-fda-1eeca64c1ccc324b31b779a86d3999a4

A portion of my statement is fueled by the fear of what I think is coming based on those involved:  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-darren-beattie-state-department/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/stephen-miller-named-deputy-chief-of-policy-in-new-trump-administration  https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hate-watch/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails/  https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/10/01/jd-vances-ties-to-project-2025-explained-ahead-of-tonights-vp-debate/

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[CNS]

Yes. I get it.

[sonofdaxjones]

She is big mad - the money laundering machine is being exposed and she’s spouting real misinformation to deflect away from her grift and the previous administration’s failures

https://twitter.com/secduffy/status/1887558301908426900?s=46&t=-jwPwnR3rKHM9sk9hA7h8g


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[sonofdaxjones]

For all . . . well, mainly us.


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[MakeItRain]

I cannot believe what is happening in this thread, it's stunning and I can't believe what I'm reading is actually real. We have had executive orders in the past week specifically targeting minorities, women, the lgbtq community, and people who don't practice christianity. It's two weeks into a four year administration and we're being told to be happy about the progress of civil rights, literally while there is a specific and targeted effort to not only stop all progress, but roll back previous progress. It's actually more insulting than what the administration and supportive MAGA are saying. And I got called a $!#* for asking clarifying questions. Wild. At least I now have the answer to my question as to how I should view those who are dispassionate about the advancement of civil rights, for everyone.

[Stupid Fitz]

I cannot believe what is happening in this thread, it's stunning and I can't believe what I'm reading is actually real. We have had executive orders in the past week specifically targeting minorities, women, the lgbtq community, and people who don't practice christianity. It's two weeks into a four year administration and we're being told to be happy about the progress of civil rights, literally while there is a specific and targeted effort to not only stop all progress, but roll back previous progress. It's actually more insulting than what the administration and supportive MAGA are saying. And I got called a $!#* for asking clarifying questions. Wild. At least I now have the answer to my question as to how I should view those who are dispassionate about the advancement of civil rights, for everyone.

It's all totally worth it because they deported 8 Guatemalan strawberry pickers and "exposed" a couple of democrat organizations getting federal funds. That last part may or may not even be true, but they say it out loud so the cult can hear it so it doesn't matter if after further review it's not true. Quit your bitching.

[mocat]

it's pretty rough ridin' crazy. Rolling back common ground obvious progress made during the LBJ administration

[DQ12]

If you are a living breathing human being in America, there should be absolutely zero limitations placed on you compared to any other American. It is wild to me that the right cares so much about legislating things like this. 

Its crazy to me how the country can breed such a feeling of patriotism in it's people, but we choose to out group those in that group.  We should be taught how to avoid bullshit scarcity thinking based around that.  Instead, we are killing off science and discussion.

The bolded sentence is a good sentiment, but it's a little crazy, right?   We let some "living breathing humans in America" do things all the time that we don't let others in that group do.  I can gamble on sports, my 10 year old nephew (although living and breathing) isn't allowed to do that.  My sister can write prescriptions, I don't have that freedom.  We give veterans better loan terms that aren't available to non-veterans.  We limit regular citizens' access to top-secret documents.  I don't have an issue with any of that stuff.  I think you're talking about the trans sports stuff when you say "limitations that some have that others don't," but is there something else you're referring to?

I also don't know what you mean when you say "we are killing off science and discussion"?  Like, in what way?

What I said was pretty broad, but I have to tell you that your response comes across as intentionally obtuse.  Normally, when I encounter folks being intentionally obtuse, I assume they are being disingenuous and discussing in bad faith. 

That said, you have mentioned many times recently that you are a single-issue voter, so I am assuming you just haven't heard about the elimination, and intention of elimination, of equality programs for minority groups who have historically encountered quite a bit of discrimination in our country.  I have loved ones who will be living in a world that has more ability to discriminate against them due to these moves.   
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-equal-employment-opportunity-revoke-1965-dei-what-it-means/

As for your quesiton about science: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-cdc-orders-pullback-new-scientific-papers-involving-its-researchers-source-2025-02-02/ https://apnews.com/article/trump-health-communications-cdc-hhs-fda-1eeca64c1ccc324b31b779a86d3999a4

A portion of my statement is fueled by the fear of what I think is coming based on those involved:  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-darren-beattie-state-department/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/stephen-miller-named-deputy-chief-of-policy-in-new-trump-administration  https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hate-watch/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails/  https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/10/01/jd-vances-ties-to-project-2025-explained-ahead-of-tonights-vp-debate/

I'm not trying to lawyer you.  I was trying to understand what you were talking about -- I couldn't tell if your entire post was about trans sports or not.  Thank you for clarifying.  I hadn't seen that pause on research papers regarding trans/LGBT stuff.

[MakeItRain]

If you are a living breathing human being in America, there should be absolutely zero limitations placed on you compared to any other American. It is wild to me that the right cares so much about legislating things like this. 

Its crazy to me how the country can breed such a feeling of patriotism in it's people, but we choose to out group those in that group.  We should be taught how to avoid bullshit scarcity thinking based around that.  Instead, we are killing off science and discussion.

The bolded sentence is a good sentiment, but it's a little crazy, right?   We let some "living breathing humans in America" do things all the time that we don't let others in that group do.  I can gamble on sports, my 10 year old nephew (although living and breathing) isn't allowed to do that.  My sister can write prescriptions, I don't have that freedom.  We give veterans better loan terms that aren't available to non-veterans.  We limit regular citizens' access to top-secret documents.  I don't have an issue with any of that stuff.  I think you're talking about the trans sports stuff when you say "limitations that some have that others don't," but is there something else you're referring to?

I also don't know what you mean when you say "we are killing off science and discussion"?  Like, in what way?

What I said was pretty broad, but I have to tell you that your response comes across as intentionally obtuse.  Normally, when I encounter folks being intentionally obtuse, I assume they are being disingenuous and discussing in bad faith. 

That said, you have mentioned many times recently that you are a single-issue voter, so I am assuming you just haven't heard about the elimination, and intention of elimination, of equality programs for minority groups who have historically encountered quite a bit of discrimination in our country.  I have loved ones who will be living in a world that has more ability to discriminate against them due to these moves.   
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-equal-employment-opportunity-revoke-1965-dei-what-it-means/

As for your quesiton about science: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-cdc-orders-pullback-new-scientific-papers-involving-its-researchers-source-2025-02-02/ https://apnews.com/article/trump-health-communications-cdc-hhs-fda-1eeca64c1ccc324b31b779a86d3999a4

A portion of my statement is fueled by the fear of what I think is coming based on those involved:  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-darren-beattie-state-department/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/stephen-miller-named-deputy-chief-of-policy-in-new-trump-administration  https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hate-watch/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails/  https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/10/01/jd-vances-ties-to-project-2025-explained-ahead-of-tonights-vp-debate/

I'm not trying to lawyer you.  I was trying to understand what you were talking about -- I couldn't tell if your entire post was about trans sports or not.  Thank you for clarifying.  I hadn't seen that pause on research papers regarding trans/LGBT stuff.

I hope that trump voters would ask themselves why there would be a need to pause research. Wouldn't they like data to confirm their beliefs on LGBT? It seems to me that you'd only want research to stop because you know that there is no objective data that can be used to justify the ostracization of an entire community of people. It's not like his supporters would believe or care about the research anyway. It's simple political censorship.

[Cire]

Minorities in America have had it too good for too long

[sonofdaxjones]

Imagine being a blob member so mad about this turn of events, the graft that's being exposed . . . that you'll warn a violent criminal illegal immigrant gang that an ICE raid is coming.

That's some true hate for America and for your fellow citizens who subjected to their criminal ways on a daily basis.

Sad - but even worse, absolute pinnacle #blueanon

But we have to recall (for example) a few years back, #blueanon was protesting as ICE was breaking up a child sex trafficking operation.

Insert rank and file #blueanon in multiple #blueanon generational strongholds assailing various boards and mayors for unleashing illegal immigrants into their communities, with no regard whatsoever for the tax paying American citizens.

FYI- The tax impact of illegals is so vastly overstated, they are a net loser, by factors of tens of billions of dollars.

[chum1]

Well, that's one hell of a coincidence

[Stupid Fitz]

Well, that's one hell of a coincidence

I'm sick of you guys calling these guys racists. Just because you don't like racists doesn't mean they are racists.

[Dugout DickStone]

racist dorks who never played ball.  bad combos folks

[wetwillie]

Who needs the constitution when you can just publically shame the hijackers

[Rage Against the McKee]

I can confirm that pretty much all funding for research on anything has been paused. Also a whole lot of grants (maybe all grants?) that build infrastructure have been paused. I'm guessing what ends up happening is that the stuff for minorities gets cancelled altogether. Probably anything related to green energy, too.

[sonofdaxjones]

Speaking of green energy duds . . . another dud is going to close 15 years early in California

A place that even the most ardent environmentalists admitted has been brutal on the nearby avian and reptile population.

Potentially $1.6 billion in DOE loan guarantees . . . that probably won't be repaid.

[LickNeckey]

Jeez guys stop calling everyone you disagree with racist.

especially the racists

[LickNeckey]

https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/politics/government/2025/02/04/trump-musk-shutter-usaid-and-food-for-peace-a-proud-kansas-legacy/78180304007/

[michigancat]

https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/politics/government/2025/02/04/trump-musk-shutter-usaid-and-food-for-peace-a-proud-kansas-legacy/78180304007/

Damn, Roger Marshall really sucks

[LickNeckey]

He just understands that food for peace is actually a human trafficking organization run to launder money and conjure the visage of Vicky nuland

[Rage Against the McKee]

https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/politics/government/2025/02/04/trump-musk-shutter-usaid-and-food-for-peace-a-proud-kansas-legacy/78180304007/

Damn, Roger Marshall really sucks

Yeah, hopefully he's the worst senator we will ever have.