Let's talk about Elon Musk

[TheHamburglar]

Cancel culture smdh

I'm sure it will end up being very lucrative for him

I have a few people in my life that get so angry when I say the best thing to ever happen to Riley Gaines was not going 0.01 seconds faster.

[steve dave]

We should talk about Biden’s massive hammer in this thread as well so it gets more air time imo.


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[CHONGS]

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[Justwin]

It would seem that if a person believes that abortion is the exact same as any other kind of murder, then they have to make this their number one issue when it comes to voting. unless there’s another topic that is more significant than a crap ton of murders. Said differently, People who believe that abortion is murder are forced to be single issue voters aren’t they?

It makes voting very easy.

[catastrophe]

It would seem that if a person believes that abortion is the exact same as any other kind of murder, then they have to make this their number one issue when it comes to voting. unless there’s another topic that is more significant than a crap ton of murders. Said differently, People who believe that abortion is murder are forced to be single issue voters aren’t they?

It makes voting very easy.

While this is obviously true for a lot of people, I personally believe the best way to reduce abortions is by lowering the number of unwanted pregnancies. Make contraceptives (male and female) cheap and widely available for starters.

With the war on drugs as probably the best example, we’ve got pretty compelling evidence that making something illegal is very unlikely to eliminate the unwanted behavior so long as demand remains high.

So I find it totally conceivable that someone can consider many abortions on the level of murder while being realistic enough to appreciate that banning it won’t solve the problem you’re trying to fix.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, abortions increased after Roe got repealed, so good job voting for that.

[Cire]

I once listened to a podcast that there's archeological evidence in Judea etc of pork being consumed during the first temple period and that it stopped during that time.

[Justwin]

It would seem that if a person believes that abortion is the exact same as any other kind of murder, then they have to make this their number one issue when it comes to voting. unless there’s another topic that is more significant than a crap ton of murders. Said differently, People who believe that abortion is murder are forced to be single issue voters aren’t they?

It makes voting very easy.

While this is obviously true for a lot of people, I personally believe the best way to reduce abortions is by lowering the number of unwanted pregnancies. Make contraceptives (male and female) cheap and widely available for starters.

With the war on drugs as probably the best example, we’ve got pretty compelling evidence that making something illegal is very unlikely to eliminate the unwanted behavior so long as demand remains high.

So I find it totally conceivable that someone can consider many abortions on the level of murder while being realistic enough to appreciate that banning it won’t solve the problem you’re trying to fix.

I think murder and robbery are wrong and should be illegal. Does that completely eliminate them? Or course not. We're dealing with humans here. But that doesn't mean I think they should be legalized. Take what you're saying to its logical conclusion about everything that is illegal.

The steps you mention are not mutually exclusive of making something illegal, so it shouldn't be used as an argument for keeping abortion legal.

[DQ12]

It would seem that if a person believes that abortion is the exact same as any other kind of murder, then they have to make this their number one issue when it comes to voting. unless there’s another topic that is more significant than a crap ton of murders. Said differently, People who believe that abortion is murder are forced to be single issue voters aren’t they?

It makes voting very easy.

While this is obviously true for a lot of people, I personally believe the best way to reduce abortions is by lowering the number of unwanted pregnancies. Make contraceptives (male and female) cheap and widely available for starters.

Yeah, what's interesting though is that Sweden has a higher abortion rate than the US.  I'm not an expert on Sweden, but I would guess that contraception is pretty cheap and available there.

[mocat]

It would seem that if a person believes that abortion is the exact same as any other kind of murder, then they have to make this their number one issue when it comes to voting. unless there’s another topic that is more significant than a crap ton of murders. Said differently, People who believe that abortion is murder are forced to be single issue voters aren’t they?

It makes voting very easy.

especially if both voting options have no problem funding genocides

[DQ12]

Yeah, abortions increased after Roe got repealed, so good job voting for that.

Do you think the public voted on Dobbs? 

Do you think abortions increased because Roe got overturned? 

[Kat Kid]

Yeah, abortions increased after Roe got repealed, so good job voting for that.

Do you think the public voted on Dobbs? 

Do you think abortions increased because Roe got overturned? 

I was told the presidential election of Donald Trump was a referendum on who should be able to appoint a new Supreme Court justice. I guess, people may not have taken seriously the idea that Roe would get overturned but it wasn't that hard to see.

[Justwin]

Yeah, abortions increased after Roe got repealed, so good job voting for that.

That data comes from before Florida's ban went into place and the ballot initiative failed there in November. The increase in abortions is likely due to increased use of mifepristone and the shield laws some states have passed for telehealth providers. With the new administration, we will see how those laws fare and there is always the chance the Supreme Court could rule differently than they have on this.

Having any kind of state regulation of abortion required the striking down of Roe and regardless it was good policy to leave abortion decisions up to states.

[DQ12]

Yeah, abortions increased after Roe got repealed, so good job voting for that.

Do you think the public voted on Dobbs? 

Do you think abortions increased because Roe got overturned? 

I was told the presidential election of Donald Trump was a referendum on who should be able to appoint a new Supreme Court justice. I guess, people may not have taken seriously the idea that Roe would get overturned but it wasn't that hard to see.

Phrasing was just weird.  Anyway, I think the implied conclusion is absurd anyway.

[Dugout DickStone]

here's the thing about organized religion: nothing good in its history has ever come of it EXCEPT controlling the population and making them adhere to whatever thing is the thing. BUT that's actually good sometimes because...have you seen the population? they need some controlling. they're going to have to self regulate now because we in power don't have the bandwith to just make them all the time (and a lot of the time it's for THEIR OWN GOOD (imo)). it's natural evolution that religion/facsism/populism/etc. takes root. tale as literally old as time.

Monks basically invented beer so I’m calling bullshit

I don't buy that even for a second.  Just a rumor those pedders started

[catastrophe]

It would seem that if a person believes that abortion is the exact same as any other kind of murder, then they have to make this their number one issue when it comes to voting. unless there’s another topic that is more significant than a crap ton of murders. Said differently, People who believe that abortion is murder are forced to be single issue voters aren’t they?

It makes voting very easy.

While this is obviously true for a lot of people, I personally believe the best way to reduce abortions is by lowering the number of unwanted pregnancies. Make contraceptives (male and female) cheap and widely available for starters.

With the war on drugs as probably the best example, we’ve got pretty compelling evidence that making something illegal is very unlikely to eliminate the unwanted behavior so long as demand remains high.

So I find it totally conceivable that someone can consider many abortions on the level of murder while being realistic enough to appreciate that banning it won’t solve the problem you’re trying to fix.

I think murder and robbery are wrong and should be illegal. Does that completely eliminate them? Or course not. We're dealing with humans here. But that doesn't mean I think they should be legalized. Take what you're saying to its logical conclusion about everything that is illegal.

The steps you mention are not mutually exclusive of making something illegal, so it shouldn't be used as an argument for keeping abortion legal.

They’re not mutually exclusive, but you also rarely see a single group lobbying for both at the same time.

Abortion is also different than something like robbery and other murder because there is a lot of debate over what types of abortion should be illegal. Practically no one is calling for a total abortion ban; the conversation has really just been about where to draw the line, which will continue to be a discussion ad nauseum.

[Dugout DickStone]

It would seem that if a person believes that abortion is the exact same as any other kind of murder, then they have to make this their number one issue when it comes to voting. unless there’s another topic that is more significant than a crap ton of murders. Said differently, People who believe that abortion is murder are forced to be single issue voters aren’t they?

It makes voting very easy.

While this is obviously true for a lot of people, I personally believe the best way to reduce abortions is by lowering the number of unwanted pregnancies. Make contraceptives (male and female) cheap and widely available for starters.

Yeah, what's interesting though is that Sweden has a higher abortion rate than the US.  I'm not an expert on Sweden, but I would guess that contraception is pretty cheap and available there.

The swedes are as a whole a much happier society than us.

[CNS]

here's the thing about organized religion: nothing good in its history has ever come of it EXCEPT controlling the population and making them adhere to whatever thing is the thing. BUT that's actually good sometimes because...have you seen the population? they need some controlling. they're going to have to self regulate now because we in power don't have the bandwith to just make them all the time (and a lot of the time it's for THEIR OWN GOOD (imo)). it's natural evolution that religion/facsism/populism/etc. takes root. tale as literally old as time.

Monks basically invented beer so I’m calling bullshit

I don't buy that even for a second.  Just a rumor those pedders started

Christianity stole a lot of things. Took a bunch of the holiday basics from pagans, for example.  Why not beer too?

[CNS]

I guess I don’t get why many conservatives want abortion illlegal but are also against sex ed and contraception?

Same with being against wind and solar energy? 

It almost seems like mindless politics rather than pragmatism.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, abortions increased after Roe got repealed, so good job voting for that.

Do you think the public voted on Dobbs? 

Do you think abortions increased because Roe got overturned? 

I do think the public voted on Dobbs when they voted for Trump.

The second question is a little bit trickier because abortion started to trend up during Trump's presidency after consistently trending down since the original Roe v Wade decision. I think it makes sense that the more restrictive and oppressive the government is, and the harder it is for a young family to afford a comfortable lifestyle, the less people are going to want children.

[DQ12]

Yeah, abortions increased after Roe got repealed, so good job voting for that.

Do you think the public voted on Dobbs? 

Do you think abortions increased because Roe got overturned? 

I do think the public voted on Dobbs when they voted for Trump.

The second question is a little bit trickier because abortion started to trend up during Trump's presidency after consistently trending down since the original Roe v Wade decision. I think it makes sense that the more restrictive and oppressive the government is, and the harder it is for a young family to afford a comfortable lifestyle, the less people are going to want children.

Yeah, I think it was wider access to the abortion pills.

[wetwillie]

You can get an abortion in a pill now?

[DQ12]

You can get an abortion in a pill now?

Yep.  Up to 10 weeks.

[Rage Against the McKee]

You can get an abortion in a pill now?

Yep.  Up to 10 weeks.

That doesn't seem very extreme.

[wetwillie]

Seems like common ground