Let's talk about Elon Musk

[Pete]

I take that back. I did see where Elon said that he would fight like hell or whatever to preserve bringing in immigrants under the H1B visa

[Pete]

Before Elon started very publicly hating non-white people and trans people, did democrats ban him from getting government money?

I don’t think immigrants under H1B visas frequently come from the white countries, and I suspect that Elon means that he was gonna be bringing in Asian immigrants under those H1B vises that he said he would fight to the death to preserve or whatever the eff, but I admit that this is me speculating based upon all available information

[Pete]

Before Elon started very publicly hating non-white people and trans people, did democrats ban him from getting government money?

Are you familiar with who the guy was named James Webb who this fantastic space telescope is named after?

[star seed 7]

For the record, Pete, I absolutely share a pretty similar outlook as you. There are bad people everywhere. I don't care if we do business with "bad" countries. Do whatever you want inside your borders but don't eff with our crap, our friend's crap, or global commerce. Guess what everyone gets rich like this. I also don't really care about the survival of humans.

Elon wanting to launch rockets to Mars to save the species has a very emo hunts elk so his infant child is able to eat feel to it. And should rightfully be mocked. That doesn't mean going to mars isn't cool just because.

[michigancat]

I don't know if you all watched the full clip but he also talked about the importance of "German values and culture" and the danger of losing that through "multiculturalism that dilutes everything". He stopped himself just short of keeping the bloodline clean.

The "we shouldn't feel guilty for sins of, oddly specifically, our parents and grandparents and great-grandparents" was also bad, but felt less specifically tied to Nazi ideology.

What sins do you suppose were committed by the grandparents and great-grandparents of the German people? Were they bad about leaving the water running when they brushed their teeth?

Point taken.

However, I wonder if you dudes have ever attributed any positives to the culture of Germany? I sure have.

Is it your opinion that positive cultural attributes are eternal and immutable?

There have been plenty of great German contributions to global culture but it isn't so great that they like need to keep their bloodlines clean or pretend like the Holocaust wasn't also a major part of their cultural contributions.

Who is saying that stuff?

Elon Musk at the ADF convention

Go pull the quotes then

good grief man what do you think he means by this speech

https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1883210731845550324

[star seed 7]

Before Elon started very publicly hating non-white people and trans people, did democrats ban him from getting government money?

Are you familiar with who the guy was named James Webb who this fantastic space telescope is named after?

No not particularly. I remember a kerfuffle after the naming, a sex pest or something maybe?

[Pete]

For the record, Pete, I absolutely share a pretty similar outlook as you. There are bad people everywhere. I don't care if we do business with "bad" countries. Do whatever you want inside your borders but don't eff with our crap, our friend's crap, or global commerce. Guess what everyone gets rich like this. I also don't really care about the survival of humans.

Elon wanting to launch rockets to Mars to save the species has a very emo hunts elk so his infant child is able to eat feel to it. And should rightfully be mocked. That doesn't mean going to mars isn't cool just because.

OK, I agree with almost all of that. I’m just saying we need the [redacted] and the motherfuckers like him. We need his goddamn AI venture even more than the space crap. We need fierce unrelenting competition amongst all of our AI companies to be the very best in the world because if America’s rough ridin' crap ain’t the best We’re all gonna be in for a bumpy ride.

[Pete]

Before Elon started very publicly hating non-white people and trans people, did democrats ban him from getting government money?

Are you familiar with who the guy was named James Webb who this fantastic space telescope is named after?

No not particularly. I remember a kerfuffle after the naming, a sex pest or something maybe?

He overtly hated gay people. And he was a rough ridin' genius that made massive contributions to our country’s science and technology.

[Pete]

I don't know if you all watched the full clip but he also talked about the importance of "German values and culture" and the danger of losing that through "multiculturalism that dilutes everything". He stopped himself just short of keeping the bloodline clean.

The "we shouldn't feel guilty for sins of, oddly specifically, our parents and grandparents and great-grandparents" was also bad, but felt less specifically tied to Nazi ideology.

What sins do you suppose were committed by the grandparents and great-grandparents of the German people? Were they bad about leaving the water running when they brushed their teeth?

Point taken.

However, I wonder if you dudes have ever attributed any positives to the culture of Germany? I sure have.

Is it your opinion that positive cultural attributes are eternal and immutable?

There have been plenty of great German contributions to global culture but it isn't so great that they like need to keep their bloodlines clean or pretend like the Holocaust wasn't also a major part of their cultural contributions.

Who is saying that stuff?

Elon Musk at the ADF convention

Go pull the quotes then

good grief man what do you think he means by this speech

https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1883210731845550324

We just got done several posts earlier agreeing that Germans have many positive cultural attributes did we not?

[star seed 7]

The neo-nazi party in Germany must have some great views on ai

[Pete]

I come from nearly entirely German heritage. The hardest working motherfuckers that I have ever observed in my entire life.

I do not think that they were genetically predisposed that way. I think they came from a culture of that attitude and focus and shared values. I think that there are many other similarly effective cultures around the globe both today historically. Many have likely gone extinct over history.

For those that have gone extinct, I wonder why they are extinct? Did all of them go extinct as a result of being conquered outright and eliminated by a foe?

This question above is for Michigangat

[Pete]

Rusty in your opinion, what are the top three, five, 10 even, things that make cultures change?

[Pete]

Or, Rusty, you can make your vote be that cultures never ever change and cannot be extinguished. Now, I’ll have you know that I disagree with that.

[michigancat]

I don't know if you all watched the full clip but he also talked about the importance of "German values and culture" and the danger of losing that through "multiculturalism that dilutes everything". He stopped himself just short of keeping the bloodline clean.

The "we shouldn't feel guilty for sins of, oddly specifically, our parents and grandparents and great-grandparents" was also bad, but felt less specifically tied to Nazi ideology.

What sins do you suppose were committed by the grandparents and great-grandparents of the German people? Were they bad about leaving the water running when they brushed their teeth?

Point taken.

However, I wonder if you dudes have ever attributed any positives to the culture of Germany? I sure have.

Is it your opinion that positive cultural attributes are eternal and immutable?

There have been plenty of great German contributions to global culture but it isn't so great that they like need to keep their bloodlines clean or pretend like the Holocaust wasn't also a major part of their cultural contributions.

Who is saying that stuff?

Elon Musk at the ADF convention

Go pull the quotes then

good grief man what do you think he means by this speech

https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1883210731845550324

We just got done several posts earlier agreeing that Germans have many positive cultural attributes did we not?

Do you think they have made enough positive contributions that they shouldn't be "diluted by multicultural"? What do you think "diluted by multiculturalism" means? What sins did their parents and grandparents commit that they shouldn't feel guilty for? Are those sins part of "German Culture?" I did notice the only specific "German culture" aspect Elon mentioned was their great warrior culture. Curious!

[michigancat]

Rusty in your opinion, what are the top three, five, 10 even, things that make cultures change?

I haven't thought of it too deeply but holocausts would have to be near the top. So is starting World Wars.

[Pete]

Here is a list of technologically and socially progressive first-world countries with ministries or governmental departments focused on culture:

- **Canada**: Department of Canadian Heritage[1][3].
- **Denmark**: Ministry of Culture[1][3].
- **France**: Ministère de la Culture[1][3].
- **Germany**: Federal Government Commissioner for Culture and the Media[1][3].
- **Iceland**: Ministry of Education and Children[1][3].
- **Japan**: Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science, and Technology[1][3].
- **Netherlands**: Ministry of Education, Culture, and Science[1][3].
- **South Korea**: Ministry of Culture, Sports, and Tourism[2][3].
- **Sweden**: Ministry of Culture[1][3].
- **United Kingdom**: Department for Culture, Media, and Sport[1][3].

Sources
[1] Category:Culture ministries - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Culture_ministries
[2] The Growth of South Korean Soft Power and Its Geopolitical ... https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/JIPA/Display/Article/3212634/the-growth-of-south-korean-soft-power-and-its-geopolitical-implications/
[3] Ministry of Culture - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Culture
[4] First World Country | Definition & List - Lesson - Study.com https://study.com/learn/lesson/first-world-countries-examples.html
[5] [PDF] Annexure-I List of Countries with whom Ministry of Culture ... https://static.pib.gov.in/WriteReadData/specificdocs/documents/2024/aug/doc202488369801.pdf
[6] First World Countries 2024 - World Population Review https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/first-world-countries
[7] List of national authorities and National Commissions https://ich.unesco.org/en/list-of-national-authorities-and-national-commissions-00405
[8] First World - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World

[Pete]

Rusty in your opinion, what are the top three, five, 10 even, things that make cultures change?

I haven't thought of it too deeply but holocausts would have to be near the top. So is starting World Wars.

Excellent I agree with that. Therefore, it’s probably important to be specific in not citing those things as the things that should be continued. Has Elon ever cited those as things that should be continued? You and I have agreed that there are many wonderful attributes of the German culture that he could be referring to. Is it your opinion that he is not referring to those things that you and I agree on? This guy that seems super concerned with manufacturing efficiency is a huge fanboy of engineering prowess, of lofty technological achievements. You don’t think that there’s a chance that he might be referring to some of those things that you and I agree with about the German culture in heritage of hard work and engineering? Not even a Chance?

[Trim]

a very emo hunts elk so his infant child is able to eat feel to it.

[Kat Kid]

Imagine being the world's richest person, having a level of power and influence on par with a Roman emperor and you are one of the most insecure people alive. Desperate for adulation and worship, lashing out at anyone who criticizes or questions them and spend a good chunk of your day reading and posting on twitter.

What could possibly go wrong? We have entire genres of ancient literature dedicated to this.

[star seed 7]

Pete, does the audience matter in your interpretation of elon's comments? He's saying this to a group of people who's top priority is "no muzzies".

[Pete]

I’ve never been to Rome. I’ve never stood outside the remains of a Roman aqueduct or where the Colosseum stands and said wow those guys really did some cool rough ridin' crap.  but, had I done that I can with certainty tell you that I would not have been endorsing slavery, nor conquest, nor endorsing a system where only a tiny fraction of the population were citizens.

[michigancat]

Rusty in your opinion, what are the top three, five, 10 even, things that make cultures change?

I haven't thought of it too deeply but holocausts would have to be near the top. So is starting World Wars.

Excellent I agree with that. Therefore, it’s probably important to be specific in not citing those things as the things that should be continued. Has Elon ever cited those as things that should be continued? You and I have agreed that there are many wonderful attributes of the German culture that he could be referring to. Is it your opinion that he is not referring to those things that you and I agree on? This guy that seems super concerned with manufacturing efficiency is a huge fanboy of engineering prowess, of lofty technological achievements. You don’t think that there’s a chance that he might be referring to some of those things that you and I agree with about the German culture in heritage of hard work and engineering? Not even a Chance?

He only explicitly cited the strong warrior culture and asked to not feel guilty about sins of their parents and grandparents (which I'm pretty sure was the Holocaust. He could have mentioned manufacturing efficiency or like, symphonies, but he sure didn't.

[Pete]

Imagine being the world's richest person, having a level of power and influence on par with a Roman emperor and you are one of the most insecure people alive. Desperate for adulation and worship, lashing out at anyone who criticizes or questions them and spend a good chunk of your day reading and posting on twitter.

What could possibly go wrong? We have entire genres of ancient literature dedicated to this.

Is it your opinion that at any given point in time in history that people with immense power were free from the attributes that you ascribe to Elon Musk?

[Pete]

Rusty in your opinion, what are the top three, five, 10 even, things that make cultures change?

I haven't thought of it too deeply but holocausts would have to be near the top. So is starting World Wars.

Excellent I agree with that. Therefore, it’s probably important to be specific in not citing those things as the things that should be continued. Has Elon ever cited those as things that should be continued? You and I have agreed that there are many wonderful attributes of the German culture that he could be referring to. Is it your opinion that he is not referring to those things that you and I agree on? This guy that seems super concerned with manufacturing efficiency is a huge fanboy of engineering prowess, of lofty technological achievements. You don’t think that there’s a chance that he might be referring to some of those things that you and I agree with about the German culture in heritage of hard work and engineering? Not even a Chance?

He only explicitly cited the strong warrior culture and asked to not feel guilty about sins of their parents and grandparents (which I'm pretty sure was the Holocaust. He could have mentioned manufacturing efficiency or like, symphonies, but he sure didn't.

I gotta tell you I don’t think this makes your case any clearer or stronger

[Trim]

Imagine being the world's richest person, having a level of power and influence on par with a Roman emperor and you are one of the most insecure people alive. Desperate for adulation and worship, lashing out at anyone who criticizes or questions them and spend a good chunk of your day reading and posting on twitter.

What could possibly go wrong? We have entire genres of ancient literature dedicated to this.

Is it your opinion that at any given point in time in history that people with immense power were free from the attributes that you ascribe to Elon Musk?

Warren Buffet? Steve Ballmer?