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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #100 on: November 10, 2024, 07:35:33 AM »
Let’s accept your premise that the country too racist or sexist to elect Kamala

People didn't vote for Trump over her because of her race or sex. They voted for the person they thought was the best vehicle for white, Christian nationalism.

-if Trump is such an existential threat then don’t nominate Kamala

To me, your question is ultimately like: why didn't the Dems fight white, Christian nationalism by nominating a white, Christian nationalist of their own?

-explain how Trump made big gains among not just minorities but everyone

The only big gains from any group that I'm aware of were with Latino voters. But I would say nearly all groups of Trump voters unwittingly voted against their own self interests.

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #101 on: November 10, 2024, 07:42:38 AM »


Let’s accept your premise that the country too racist or sexist to elect Kamala

People didn't vote for Trump over her because of her race or sex. They voted for the person they thought was the best vehicle for white, Christian nationalism.

-if Trump is such an existential threat then don’t nominate Kamala

To me, your question is ultimately like: why didn't the Dems fight white, Christian nationalism by nominating a white, Christian nationalist of their own?

-explain how Trump made big gains among not just minorities but everyone

The only big gains from any group that I'm aware of were with Latino voters. But I would say nearly all groups of Trump voters unwittingly voted against their own self interests.

He definitely made similar gains with black voters and younger voters, at least compared to 2020. The Latino shift just started earlier so they have shifted way more than any group since 2016

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #102 on: November 11, 2024, 12:00:30 AM »
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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #104 on: November 11, 2024, 12:23:11 PM »
Let’s accept your premise that the country too racist or sexist to elect Kamala

People didn't vote for Trump over her because of her race or sex. They voted for the person they thought was the best vehicle for white, Christian nationalism.

-if Trump is such an existential threat then don’t nominate Kamala

To me, your question is ultimately like: why didn't the Dems fight white, Christian nationalism by nominating a white, Christian nationalist of their own?

-explain how Trump made big gains among not just minorities but everyone

The only big gains from any group that I'm aware of were with Latino voters. But I would say nearly all groups of Trump voters unwittingly voted against their own self interests.

Maybe having Liz Cheney barnstorming with Kamala was the attempt to fight white Christian nationalism with white Christian nationalism?

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #105 on: November 11, 2024, 02:44:29 PM »
Let’s accept your premise that the country too racist or sexist to elect Kamala

People didn't vote for Trump over her because of her race or sex. They voted for the person they thought was the best vehicle for white, Christian nationalism.

-if Trump is such an existential threat then don’t nominate Kamala

To me, your question is ultimately like: why didn't the Dems fight white, Christian nationalism by nominating a white, Christian nationalist of their own?

-explain how Trump made big gains among not just minorities but everyone

The only big gains from any group that I'm aware of were with Latino voters. But I would say nearly all groups of Trump voters unwittingly voted against their own self interests.

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #106 on: November 11, 2024, 03:38:49 PM »
I assume he means economically.

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #107 on: November 11, 2024, 04:16:10 PM »
Taxes are a pretty straightforward example.

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2024, 07:20:04 AM »
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« Reply #111 on: November 12, 2024, 07:30:12 AM »
Outsider and outlier are now the same thing apparently.

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« Reply #112 on: November 12, 2024, 08:27:06 AM »
https://www.ft.com/content/e8ac09ea-c300-4249-af7d-109003afb893

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Tthere are some broad trends that incumbency and being establishment is much more difficult these days.

If you look at what happened to Labour, I don't think all of the "woke" or "Biden" stuff applies, but Keir Starmer rode in on an enormous wave election and then his popularity plummeted.

Whomever is in power becomes the owner of the problems of society, but there is never a mandate to really change anything that will disrupt what is making people unhappy and so the cycle continues.

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« Reply #113 on: November 12, 2024, 09:12:53 AM »
LOL

This is such a perfect encapsulation of how the dems tried to talk to people about immigration.

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« Reply #114 on: November 13, 2024, 05:13:23 PM »
Kamala is not good at campaigning and was accepted simply because the democrat leadership was afraid of the backlash if they chose someone else. Dems have a bad habit of painting themselves into corners with their fake outrage.

lol, she was fine at campaigning. There would not have been another Democrat who would have been better. She lost to a dude who committed every conventional sin known to God and man while on the trail. She lost to a guy who, multiple times the last week of the campaign, mimicked giving microphones blow jobs. He went to the largest city in a swing state and told them how shitty their city is.

People using the explanation that she was a bad campaigner to explain how she lost to Donald rough ridin' Trump, are the same ones who talked about how a former District Attorney, US Senator, and Vice President wasn't qualified to be president while voting for Donald rough ridin' Trump. The reasoning of these two particular critiques are transparent A.F.

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« Reply #116 on: November 13, 2024, 05:23:45 PM »


Let’s accept your premise that the country too racist or sexist to elect Kamala

People didn't vote for Trump over her because of her race or sex. They voted for the person they thought was the best vehicle for white, Christian nationalism.

-if Trump is such an existential threat then don’t nominate Kamala

To me, your question is ultimately like: why didn't the Dems fight white, Christian nationalism by nominating a white, Christian nationalist of their own?

-explain how Trump made big gains among not just minorities but everyone

The only big gains from any group that I'm aware of were with Latino voters. But I would say nearly all groups of Trump voters unwittingly voted against their own self interests.

He definitely made similar gains with black voters and younger voters, at least compared to 2020. The Latino shift just started earlier so they have shifted way more than any group since 2016

Stop trying to blame us. Black men literally shifted 1 percent from 2020 to 2024 to trump and black people overall shifted exactly 0%. The only real demographic shift trump was from hispanic men and women and trump showed his thanks by immediately appointing a man making the media rounds by saying he's going to attempt to deport legal citizens. Celebrate good times, come on!

https://www.nbcwashington.com/decision-2024/2024-voter-turnout-election-demographics-trump-harris/3762138/

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #117 on: November 13, 2024, 05:59:05 PM »
Kamala is not good at campaigning and was accepted simply because the democrat leadership was afraid of the backlash if they chose someone else. Dems have a bad habit of painting themselves into corners with their fake outrage.

lol, she was fine at campaigning. There would not have been another Democrat who would have been better. She lost to a dude who committed every conventional sin known to God and man while on the trail. She lost to a guy who, multiple times the last week of the campaign, mimicked giving microphones blow jobs. He went to the largest city in a swing state and told them how shitty their city is.

People using the explanation that she was a bad campaigner to explain how she lost to Donald rough ridin' Trump, are the same ones who talked about how a former District Attorney, US Senator, and Vice President wasn't qualified to be president while voting for Donald rough ridin' Trump. The reasoning of these two particular critiques are transparent A.F.

I get incredibly tired of people talking about how they can't believe anyone would vote for such scum.  Trump is absolutely a piece of crap but Kamala is no saint.  Didn't she commit adultery earlier in her career?  I think I remember from ccd class that's a top ten'r.  I also recall her not being pleasant to work with?

https://nypost.com/2022/02/04/kamala-harris-speechwriter-joins-list-of-resigning-staffers/

So can we stop the sanctimonious bullshit?  Is Trump worse? He is but we all have our sins.  People overlooked his sins because she didn't have any substance on anything. I didn't think she was bad at campaigning but everything was scripted for her.  Everyone knows this.  Most of her interviews lobbed soft balls at her for fucks sake.

I can't remember how I came across this but I found it pretty interesting:

"You conspired to block Bernie (Sanders in past primaries). You discarded and defamed Tulsi Gabbard,"  Negreanu wrote." You didn’t invite Elon Musk to a summit on electric vehicles? You blocked Robbert Kennedy Jr. and others from having any path to make their cause in a primary. You embraced wokeism and identity politics, demonizing the evil, white cisgender male population, extra scorn for those who have attained financial wealth."
"You further insult them by telling them that they didn’t vote for Kamala because they are racist and misogynist," he wrote. "You then anointed the most unpopular VP of all time and tried to gaslight us into thinking she is the next coming because Meg Stallion shook her a-- on stage to get the vote out because…. ‘Joy.’

I don't agree with all of that but some of it definitely resonates with me.  Same with what ol' Bernie said about the dems. And to blame white women?  lol
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« Reply #118 on: November 13, 2024, 06:06:48 PM »
It's not that serious bro
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« Reply #119 on: November 13, 2024, 06:46:46 PM »
It's not that serious bro

Says the person who will probably play a huge roll in the upcoming insurrection.  Just my   :th_twocents:...bro
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« Reply #120 on: November 13, 2024, 06:47:42 PM »
Lmao wut
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