Who should the dems blame?

[michigancat]

Dems aligning with LGBTQ+ movement cost them white working class and latino males.

I'm sorry but what did they do to align with LGBTQ in this campaign?

[Justwin]

Dems aligning with LGBTQ+ movement cost them white working class and latino males.

I'm sorry but what did they do to align with LGBTQ in this campaign?

I don't know it was anything particular this campaign, but the Democratic party is definitely viewed as being aligned with DEI and LGBTQ+.

[Rage Against the McKee]

They should blame the human nature of the voters. In hindsight, there's basically nothing they could have done to win.

In a democracy do voters owe politicians or do politicians owe voters? The politician is supposed to be the vox populi! They are our representatives! If they don't get the job, they failed. Not the electorate. It is precisely backwards in terms of responsibility!

It's the voters' fault.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Dems aligning with LGBTQ+ movement cost them white working class and latino males.

I'm sorry but what did they do to align with LGBTQ in this campaign?

They failed to appoint any justices that might end gay marriage when they had the presidency.

[Justwin]

This article was published on April 21, 2016 (6-7 months before Hillary lost to Trump).

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

In my opinion, it still sums up the problems with liberals and the Democratic party.

[Kat Kid]

This article was published on April 21, 2016 (6-7 months before Hillary lost to Trump).

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

In my opinion, it still sums up the problems with liberals and the Democratic party.

This was not a criticism of Bernie.

[Cire]

Dems aligning with LGBTQ+ movement cost them white working class and latino males.

I'm sorry but what did they do to align with LGBTQ in this campaign?

Sorry, not that they ran on it, but they certainly had no answer to trump’s campaign.

I believe the White working class voted for Joe and wouldn’t vote for Kamala because they bought a load of crap and the Dems had no answer.

So I guess messaging is the culprit?


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[mocat]

This article was published on April 21, 2016 (6-7 months before Hillary lost to Trump).

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

In my opinion, it still sums up the problems with liberals and the Democratic party.

If dems weren't so smug I wouldn't be forced to vote for this idiotic fascist felon!

[hjfklmor]

Dems aligning with LGBTQ+ movement cost them white working class and latino males.

I'm sorry but what did they do to align with LGBTQ in this campaign?

Sorry, not that they ran on it, but they certainly had no answer to trump’s campaign.

I believe the White working class voted for Joe and wouldn’t vote for Kamala because they bought a load of crap and the Dems had no answer.

So I guess messaging is the culprit?


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What is the answer? Inflation has gone back to typical levels, real wage growth is doing great, low unemployment, Biden practically did whatever the unions wanted. Voters didn't care. Groceries ain't coming back down in price, that's not how it works, and we managed inflation better than almost every other country. The American Rescue Plan is doing a lot of good in Republican areas. Good that Republicans are now starting to take credit for.

I guess it's messaging as well, unless there is something else the white working class wants. I agree with cfbandyman that the Dems insist on perfect being the enemy of good.

[michigancat]

Dems aligning with LGBTQ+ movement cost them white working class and latino males.

I'm sorry but what did they do to align with LGBTQ in this campaign?

Sorry, not that they ran on it, but they certainly had no answer to trump’s campaign.

I believe the White working class voted for Joe and wouldn’t vote for Kamala because they bought a load of crap and the Dems had no answer.

So I guess messaging is the culprit?


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Yeah I'd agree with that. They didn't even attempt to defend our even address an LGBT-friendly position that I'm aware of, which ceded the entire narrative to Trump. And he's probably as good as it gets at messaging stuff like that.

Oddly enough I felt like the border stuff toned down after Springfield because Dems stood up for those communities. They certainly didn't win on that issue but it probably could have been worse. I saw eat more trans ads from Trump than border ads at the end of the campaign.

[steve dave]

I do think there is something to that smug article though. I know a sad amount of people that vote that way. the "you think you're better than me?" vote.

[star seed 7]

I do think there is something to that smug article though. I know a sad amount of people that vote that way. the "you think you're better than me?" vote.

The irony in this is of course is that not only does Trump think he's better than everyone he's also not shy to tell everyone he's better than them. It's actually a huge part of his appeal to the "you think you're better than me?" voter

[Cire]

Dems aligning with LGBTQ+ movement cost them white working class and latino males.

I'm sorry but what did they do to align with LGBTQ in this campaign?

Sorry, not that they ran on it, but they certainly had no answer to trump’s campaign.

I believe the White working class voted for Joe and wouldn’t vote for Kamala because they bought a load of crap and the Dems had no answer.

So I guess messaging is the culprit?


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Yeah I'd agree with that. They didn't even attempt to defend our even address an LGBT-friendly position that I'm aware of, which ceded the entire narrative to Trump. And he's probably as good as it gets at messaging stuff like that.

Oddly enough I felt like the border stuff toned down after Springfield because Dems stood up for those communities. They certainly didn't win on that issue but it probably could have been worse. I saw eat more trans ads from Trump than border ads at the end of the campaign.

Agree with all that and I only saw anti trans ads in kc as well.

Hell, our board has a broad spectrum and we lost a prominent Biden voter who was losing his mind about trans community


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[Cire]

There’s a big immigration component on the Latino side imo. I know several 5/6 generation Mexican families and they despise the new immigrants. Think they’re all illegal and souls be arrested


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[nicname]

You guys should introspectively read a book called The Vision of the Anointed.

[Cire]

You guys should introspectively read a book called The Vision of the Anointed.

Thanks Clarence Thomas


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[steve dave]

You guys should introspectively read a book called The Vision of the Anointed.

Very smug comment. Sickening.


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[Rage Against the McKee]

The Democrats should try running an bad person next time. Maybe they can get some of the evangelical vote.

[nicname]

You guys should introspectively read a book called The Vision of the Anointed.

Very smug comment. Sickening.


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Some should read introspectively. Some normally.

[steve dave]

You guys should introspectively read a book called The Vision of the Anointed.

Very smug comment. Sickening.


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Some should read introspectively. Some normally.

SICKENING!


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[Spracne]

You guys should introspectively read a book called The Vision of the Anointed.

Very smug comment. Sickening.


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Can you believe this guy?

[Cire]

nic could read the Bible and post attention to whom Jesus recruited to the squad


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[nicname]

nic could read the Bible and post attention to whom Jesus recruited to the squad


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[nicname]

nic could read the Bible and post attention to whom Jesus recruited to the squad


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https://open.spotify.com/episode/4v64cpI5qHfBRXgXuBgDOg?si=S6ZYMxhyRHGtTCx3uIQHKw

Since we’re getting into religion everything in linked discussion could apply to MAGAs as well, and since we’re getting into religion I will say that there is a very real presence of hate amongst many MAGAs (religious or not) and many who purport to be Christians, particularly fundamentalist types, as well as many terminally online Trad Cath and Orthobro LARPers.

[MakeItRain]

I heard a stat that said there have been 13 recessions in American history, 11 of those have been while a Republican was the president. How are Democrats so rough ridin' horrible with messaging?

Some of those recessions were driven by 1: The absolute crap policies of the previous Dem regime 2. In one if not several cases the recession was so shallow and so short lived it was barely noticeable

Viewers of this blog are reminded that we've had at least one if not two periods under the current Harris-Biden regime that fit every definition of a recession, but now we have to deal with the "we'll know a recession when we see it" #blueanon leaning experts.  Had George HW Bush had the same mindset on his side, he would have won re-election in 1992.

Who is to blame isn't the issue here, it's that democrats suck terribly at messaging so they have an entire country believing they are better for the economy when the fact is presidential policy has eff all to do with the economy