12 Team Playoff

[Kid In the Hall]

Which is like the 29th-32nd best team winning it.

Obviously, that means college football should go to a 32 team tournament.

[MakeItRain]

I think what this discussion highlights is that the 12 team playoff is silly because neither bama nor smu would win this thing.

But it doesn’t hurt anything to make it 12 teams, it’s better to over include teams than under include

  kim carnes made a good point, holy crap

[Pete]

I think what this discussion highlights is that the 12 team playoff is silly because neither bama nor smu would win this thing.

But it doesn’t hurt anything to make it 12 teams, it’s better to over include teams than under include

  kim carnes made a good point, holy crap

Yep

[Pete]

I prefer to think of Alabama as having been punished for an appallingly weak non-con and two losses to teams with losing records (but for their upsets over Bama).

[Pete]

If I had the money, I’d purchase the rights to an NIT for college football and make it a 16 team playoff.  Same number of weeks and maximum overall games as the regular playoff for any team in the NIT, which helps to avoid the objections about the health of the athletes (lol) and interruptions to school (lol).

I’d use the kings of the crap bowls for the last 2 rounds. All other rounds on home sites.

[michigancat]

In my old age I'm turning into an curmudgeon who wants to bring back ties (no OT) and the bowls with no playoffs.

[Kid In the Hall]

They should just do what the FCS does, which is a playoff where every conference champ gets a bid (fairness) and the rest of the field is at-large bids (hooray for the SEC). It's a 24-team playoff and it works well.

All the crappy/meaningless bowl games can then take whatever's left. Or don't - who cares.

[wetwillie]

I prefer to think of Alabama as having been punished for an appallingly weak non-con and two losses to teams with losing records (but for their upsets over Bama).

I think it's written in the fine print if you lose to Vandy you are eliminated from the playoff.  I don't think anyone has ever lost to Vandy and been in the playoff so I have to be correct in this.

[cfbandyman]

I prefer to think of Alabama as having been punished for an appallingly weak non-con and two losses to teams with losing records (but for their upsets over Bama).

I think it's written in the fine print if you lose to Vandy you are eliminated from the playoff.  I don't think anyone has ever lost to Vandy and been in the playoff so I have to be correct in this.

Yeah, realistically I like that the committee didn't overly slob the SEC's knob. If Bama wanted in, don't get waxxed by OU on the road and don't lose to Vandy and the SEC needs to go to 9 teams not 8 for conference.

[Spracne]

Even if 'clams were right (he's not), I too am glad that Bama didn't get in based on name only.

[MakeItRain]

In my old age I'm turning into an curmudgeon who wants to bring back ties (no OT) and the bowls with no playoffs.

wtf? ewwww.

[Cartierfor3]

I do hate the college overtime format, you're on to something there.

[nicname]

In my old age I'm turning into an curmudgeon who wants to bring back ties (no OT) and the bowls with no playoffs.

wtf? ewwww.

This is Trim-Bait (mich’s post not mir)

Rank these “eras”

Pre Bowl-Coalition
Bowl Coalition
Bowl Alliance
BCS
4-team playoff
12-team playoff

Each has its pluses and minuses.

I’ve often thought a 16-team seeded playoff consisting of conference champions (usually 10 or 11 conferences) with the remaining five or six berths being at-large to be the best “playoff” format. Teams would be ranked and seeded in an objective manner like colley matrix or some combination like the Massey composite. I like Colley cuz it is purely objective and doesn’t factor in margin of victory. I actually think this playoff format could have gone a long ways towards negating the massive realignment shifts we’ve seen.

I do have fond memories of the Coalition and Alliance, which were similar, but the pre-coalition days would be great water-cooler fodder.

[MakeItRain]

In my old age I'm turning into an curmudgeon who wants to bring back ties (no OT) and the bowls with no playoffs.

wtf? ewwww.

This is Trim-Bait (mich’s post not mir)

Rank these “eras”

Pre Bowl-Coalition
Bowl Coalition
Bowl Alliance
BCS
4-team playoff
12-team playoff

Each has its pluses and minuses.

I’ve often thought a 16-team seeded playoff consisting of conference champions (usually 10 or 11 conferences) with the remaining five or six berths being at-large to be the best “playoff” format. Teams would be ranked and seeded in an objective manner like colley matrix or some combination like the Massey composite. I like Colley cuz it is purely objective and doesn’t factor in margin of victory. I actually think this playoff format could have gone a long ways towards negating the massive realignment shifts we’ve seen.

I do have fond memories of the Coalition and Alliance, which were similar, but the pre-coalition days would be great water-cooler fodder.

The best eras, in order, is exactly the reverse order of your list.

[Spracne]

Yep, lol. Just keep getting a little better every era, that's my motto.

[Cartierfor3]

BCS was the worst, IMO. But I didn't follow CFB closely until then anyway, so I'm probably not the right person to ask.

[sonofdaxjones]

FCS can have 24 teams in their playoff.

You tune into the 16-1 matchup in the NCAA b-ball tourney hoping to see an upset, not expecting to see an upset.

So the whole notion of "they'll never be able to compete" is just so silly when comes to FBS.  The end goal should always be getting to be able to say that every school and very FBS player has a chance to win a natty, no more how long of a shot. While one can argue that is the case in FBS now . . . but, come on.

While I like the playoff concept, I hate hate hate that the FBS CFPO stands on its own, outside of the purview of the NCAA.

The Greg Sankey's of the world can pound all the sand as far as I am concerned.   

[MakeItRain]

BCS was the worst, IMO. But I didn't follow CFB closely until then anyway, so I'm probably not the right person to ask.

Before the BCS we had split national championships, national champions playing in the holiday bowl a full week before the rose, orange, sugar, and fiesta. We rarely had #1 vs #2 in the national championship game. In back to back seasons, 1993 and 1994 we had undefeated major programs who didn't even get a shot at the national championship. I remember a couple of years in the 80s when the Orange Bowl was the last bowl game and we'd go to sleep not knowing who the national champion was. We had to wait until the next morning to see who the AP and UPI voters voted for. There isn't a single circumstance that anything before the BCS was better than the BCS.

[cfbandyman]

FCS can have 24 teams in their playoff.

You tune into the 16-1 matchup in the NCAA b-ball tourney hoping to see an upset, not expecting to see an upset.

So the whole notion of "they'll never be able to compete" is just so silly when comes to FBS.  The end goal should always be getting to be able to say that every school and very FBS player has a chance to win a natty, no more how long of a shot. While one can argue that is the case in FBS now . . . but, come on.

While I like the playoff concept, I hate hate hate that the FBS CFPO stands on its own, outside of the purview of the NCAA.

The Greg Sankey's of the world can pound all the sand as far as I am concerned.   

100% agree with all of that. It is so effing weird that people LOVE the NCAA tourny but then turn around and act like playoffs in football would be a waste cause of blowouts, or all so focused in on conferences and history/tradition. Sure plenty of blue bloods win the tourny, but, as you said people tune in to see if the Farleigh-Dickerson's of the world can actually do it.

People get excited when NIU beats ND. Poeple feel the same when Boise beat OU. It doesn't happen often, but you watch cause it could

[ben ji]

That OU-Boise State cemented my love for CFB. It had everything....Boise up then big bad OU comes back to take the lead....But Wait, with seconds left its a HOOK & LADDER FOR THE TIE!!!

We get to OT and AD just rips off a 25 yard run on the first play and everyone is thinking...well it was a good game....

Then Boise gets a 4th down TD on a RB(wr?) Pitch pass and tops that off by running THE M'F'N STATUE OF LIBERTY play for the 2pt conversion win and then the RB proposes to his cheerleader GF.

If that was a Disney movie we would laugh at how corny it was but it actually happened and I can't wait for that to happen more often in the CFP.

[CHONGS]

That was a great game

[wetwillie]

Tenn vs tOSU is the juiciest of the first round games for me.

[nicname]

16 teams. All conference champs plus however many at-larges. Home field for rds of 16 and 8. Bowls/neutral for semis and final. Actually kind of like the quarterfinals as big bowl games on New Year’s Day. Get rid of the committee. Leave subjectivity out of the equation.

A fun twist could be awarding conference champions Home field if up against an at large. High ranked team would have home field if both or neither were conference champions in the first round.

[nicname]

I was hoping for SMU v UT.

[Pete]

I was hoping for SMU v UT.

That would have been amazing