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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #75 on: December 09, 2024, 08:28:44 PM »
Rusty’s correct.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #76 on: December 10, 2024, 09:12:59 AM »
Tenn vs tOSU is the juiciest of the first round games for me.

I like Indiana v. Notre Dame

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #77 on: December 10, 2024, 09:21:02 AM »
Tenn vs tOSU is the juiciest of the first round games for me.

I like Indiana v. Notre Dame

The in-state part is incredible. Should be a fun match up
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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #78 on: December 10, 2024, 09:48:13 AM »
I wonder how well attended the next couple of rounds will be when they are at neutral bowl sites. If your team makes the championship game that would be 3 flights/hotels/tickets all over the country in 1 month just to see every game.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #79 on: December 10, 2024, 10:16:26 AM »
I wonder how well attended the next couple of rounds will be when they are at neutral bowl sites. If your team makes the championship game that would be 3 flights/hotels/tickets all over the country in 1 month just to see every game.

They'll be well attended. I'm sure a lot of fans will choose 1 round over the other- that's what I would do. Only takes about 30K fans per team to fill it up in neutral sites after all the corporate shills.

Also for Indiana, SMU, ASU, and Boise State, fans are going to do what it takes to get there. They won't be there every year.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #80 on: December 10, 2024, 11:11:50 AM »
I wonder how well attended the next couple of rounds will be when they are at neutral bowl sites. If your team makes the championship game that would be 3 flights/hotels/tickets all over the country in 1 month just to see every game.

In Indiana's case instead of the Rose Bowl they get to go to South Bend for their reward for their best season ever.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #81 on: December 10, 2024, 12:28:46 PM »
I'd rather see the Cats play in South Bend than any bowl destination, TBH

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« Reply #82 on: December 10, 2024, 12:29:05 PM »
I agree with cf3. The quarter final round has the best bowl games and that round you really don't have to worry about fans taking back to back trips. It's the semi final round that's going to have abysmal attendance.

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« Reply #83 on: December 10, 2024, 12:32:11 PM »
I'd rather see the Cats play in South Bend than any bowl destination, TBH

lol, ain't no way. South Bend over the Rose Bowl? South Bend in December/January over Phoenix, Atlanta, Miami, or New Orleans? I'm going to be in South Bend in a couple of weeks and while I think it's bad rep is largely from people who've never been there, that's wild to say you'd rather be there than places where you can actually walk outside without dressing like you're going on an expedition.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #84 on: December 10, 2024, 01:13:01 PM »
Well, I'm most likely watching on TV anyway. I've watched us on TV in New Orleans before

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I'd rather see the Cats play in South Bend than any bowl destination, TBH

lol, ain't no way. South Bend over the Rose Bowl? South Bend in December/January over Phoenix, Atlanta, Miami, or New Orleans? I'm going to be in South Bend in a couple of weeks and while I think it's bad rep is largely from people who've never been there, that's wild to say you'd rather be there than places where you can actually walk outside without dressing like you're going on an expedition.
i can assure you that south bend has earned its reputation.

aside from the  1.5 acres that is the campus, the surrounding areas including mishawaka are not good


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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #86 on: December 10, 2024, 03:50:42 PM »
I wonder how well attended the next couple of rounds will be when they are at neutral bowl sites. If your team makes the championship game that would be 3 flights/hotels/tickets all over the country in 1 month just to see every game.

In Indiana's case instead of the Rose Bowl they get to go to South Bend for their reward for their best season ever.
As the 3rd place team in the Big 10, they probably wouldn’t have gone to the Rose Bowl
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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #87 on: December 10, 2024, 03:54:37 PM »
I agree with cf3. The quarter final round has the best bowl games and that round you really don't have to worry about fans taking back to back trips. It's the semi final round that's going to have abysmal attendance.
you are not joking, if ASU makes the semis they are back in Dallas on the second friday of January.  I would 100% be watching from home to save $, pto and spousal goodwill for a possible trip to the national title game. 

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #88 on: December 10, 2024, 04:03:52 PM »
I wonder how well attended the next couple of rounds will be when they are at neutral bowl sites. If your team makes the championship game that would be 3 flights/hotels/tickets all over the country in 1 month just to see every game.

In Indiana's case instead of the Rose Bowl they get to go to South Bend for their reward for their best season ever.
As the 3rd place team in the Big 10, they probably wouldn’t have gone to the Rose Bowl

Yeah I know but they might have been second in the old Big 10 with OSU in the cfp

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #89 on: December 10, 2024, 04:35:10 PM »
In my old age I'm turning into an curmudgeon who wants to bring back ties (no OT) and the bowls with no playoffs.

I think that we should keep whatever tradition that we can while also acknowledging that the fans want an actual playoff. The Rose Bowl should pit the Big 10 champion against whoever wins the Pac 12 championship game between Washington State and Oregon State. The playoff should have the best schools that didn't go to the Rose Bowl. There should be no overtime under any circumstance. The team that advances from a tie game in the playoff should be determined by coin flip, but both teams shall get to call themselves victors. In the event of a tie in the national championship, a coin is flipped. The winner of the toss is the AP National Champion, and the loser is the Coaches' Poll National Champion.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #90 on: December 10, 2024, 07:03:46 PM »
Kill all bowls of it gets us an expanded playoff and an additional NIT playoff

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #91 on: December 10, 2024, 08:22:48 PM »
Winning a football NIT counts as a natty in my book.
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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #92 on: December 10, 2024, 10:37:49 PM »
Winning a football NIT counts as a natty in my book.
For me it would be more of a Natty Light, but I would make no effort to curtail your irrational exuberance.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #93 on: December 11, 2024, 07:05:11 AM »
AND, I’d fill out a football NIT bracket and watch all the games, unlike the basketball NIT.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #94 on: December 11, 2024, 09:35:23 AM »
I feel like people were trying to fool us into believing that there would be less bitching about the post-season in general if playoffs were implemented. Because there seems to be no less bitching going on right now.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2024, 10:21:29 AM »
I feel like people were trying to fool us into believing that there would be less bitching about the post-season in general if playoffs were implemented. Because there seems to be no less bitching going on right now.

at least pre BCS everyone agreed it was ridiculous

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« Reply #96 on: December 11, 2024, 11:00:22 AM »
I feel like people were trying to fool us into believing that there would be less bitching about the post-season in general if playoffs were implemented. Because there seems to be no less bitching going on right now.
Well, that would be a naïve thing to believe.  What you call bitching, the suits call engagement.  There will always be bitching; that's a feature, not a bug.

The improvement here is that the, uh, engagement is a bit further removed from things that actually matter, namely, that the teams that should have a shot at the title are included.  Like March Madness, the decisions about which bubble teams are in or out have little impact on the eventual champion.  Sure, some objectively undeserving teams are also included in the name of equity, but so what?  The best teams are all present.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #97 on: December 11, 2024, 12:23:53 PM »
I feel like people were trying to fool us into believing that there would be less bitching about the post-season in general if playoffs were implemented. Because there seems to be no less bitching going on right now.

Who was trying to convince anyone of that? College sports fans and media are the most miserable motherfuckers on planet earth. We even have a decent swath of people whining about the existence of conference championship games.

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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #98 on: December 11, 2024, 12:44:21 PM »
I feel like people were trying to fool us into believing that there would be less bitching about the post-season in general if playoffs were implemented. Because there seems to be no less bitching going on right now.
Well, that would be a naïve thing to believe.  What you call bitching, the suits call engagement.  There will always be bitching; that's a feature, not a bug.

The improvement here is that the, uh, engagement is a bit further removed from things that actually matter, namely, that the teams that should have a shot at the title are included.  Like March Madness, the decisions about which bubble teams are in or out have little impact on the eventual champion.  Sure, some objectively undeserving teams are also included in the name of equity, but so what?  The best teams are all present.

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Agreed. It's the only major sport that practically insists on this level of controversy. It's so weird, and it keep insisting on allowing itself to be the subject of controversy.

And totally agree with you on march madness, or really any other NCAA tourny. There are so many teams in it that (if you took march madness for example) you're arguing that teams left out are (possibly) only the 68th best team there is, and shouldn't have been 69th. No one objectively looks at it and goes "oh yeah, this sucks cause that last team left out could easily win this whole thing!" Cause hell no, they for all aspects most certainly can't/won't, and everyone already included already are "better" based on either winning their conference or are using at least something more object like RPI/NET etc. ratings to at least add a level of objectivity to it. If the committee at that point shafts a team that went 9-9 in their conference and they didn't win anything based on NET in their non-con well don't be surprised you got left out! And no one really bemoans not being included, only the few teams that couldn't perform enough to be included.

Instead CFB does this weird thing where it's so "eyeball" and "conference strength" and "media" driven that it leads to this incessant complaining. It all started with the media (and then coaches) voting and being like "yup that team is best!". Then it switched to the BCS which brought some objectivity to it but still was only there to match two teams. Are those two really the best? Then the 4 team playoff helped more but then they brought in a committee who is just doing whatever leading back to the controversy. And then they decided to "fix" it by just expanding it a bit and adding small amount of objectivity to by having winning your conference matters (to a degree). It's so weird and no professional sport, no other college sport, hell not any high school sport, determines it's champion this way. It's made to have all this crap. It's by design.

If you either replaced the committee and used like the BCS to rank teams into a playoff, or the committee had to use something like the BCS (the NET of football), and you also have some mechanism that auto qualifies you based on something like winning your conference, and it was big enough (be it 16, 24, 32 w/e teams) then the bitching goes away, or at least it's no longer contained near the top, but way lower down where again you shouldn't be surprised your team got left out.
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Re: 12 Team Playoff
« Reply #99 on: December 13, 2024, 08:54:36 AM »
AI will soon choose the teams based on every second played throughout the season and there will be no doubt about who belongs where. We'll  even have a running bracket from day 1 of the season constantly changing with every play of every eligible team.