2024 Presidential Race

[CNS]

Just a rinse repeat of 16.


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I disagree with this. In ‘16 Don surrounded himself with a bunch of ppl that you would expect a president do surround himself with. Those ppl are not serving in this admin. Those guardrails will either not exist this time around, or will at least not be near as robust.

The last 4 years have served as a distillation of the Trump party. 

[wetwillie]

Yea he's been pretty clear he just trusted the political establishment of the Republican Party to tell him who to appoint to most of the offices.  That isn't going to happen this time.

[Pete]

Yes, the upcoming term(s) may well be full blown unfiltered MAGA.

[catastrophe]

The Supreme Court has not specifically interpreted the Twenty-Second Amendment to determine whether a president is prohibited from serving more than two terms in total or just two consecutive terms. The amendment clearly states that no person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, but it does not explicitly address non-consecutive terms. As such, there is no Supreme Court ruling clarifying this aspect, and the general understanding remains that a president cannot serve more than two terms in total.

I mean they'll try but the verbage is

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

That first line is pretty damn cut and dry, regardless of consecutiveness. But hell why trust the supreme Court to agree with that.

Well that ones easy if he just declares an emergency and suspends future elections.

[catastrophe]

Yea he's been pretty clear he just trusted the political establishment of the Republican Party to tell him who to appoint to most of the offices.  That isn't going to happen this time.

This is a tough one to predict for me. Just like 2016, this Trump has no desire to push an agenda, he just wants power and to be adored. Last time he listened to the Republican establishment on how to get there. This time he is the establishment.

[Stupid Fitz]

Yea he's been pretty clear he just trusted the political establishment of the Republican Party to tell him who to appoint to most of the offices.  That isn't going to happen this time.

This is a tough one to predict for me. Just like 2016, this Trump has no desire to push an agenda, he just wants power and to be adored. Last time he listened to the Republican establishment on how to get there. This time he is the establishment.

Agree with this. He never really wanted to be president. He just wanted to be adored and powerful. He has no idea how to run or work with in government and has/had zero interest in learning. Everyone that has worked with him prior either hates him or has been convicted of something. The people he is going to bring with him this time are there to say yes and/or get rich. Aside from RFK who is there to kill us all, but I guess that is a different problem.

[Pete]

Yea he's been pretty clear he just trusted the political establishment of the Republican Party to tell him who to appoint to most of the offices.  That isn't going to happen this time.

This is a tough one to predict for me. Just like 2016, this Trump has no desire to push an agenda, he just wants power and to be adored. Last time he listened to the Republican establishment on how to get there. This time he is the establishment.

Agree with this. He never really wanted to be president. He just wanted to be adored and powerful. He has no idea how to run or work with in government and has/had zero interest in learning. Everyone that has worked with him prior either hates him or has been convicted of something. The people he is going to bring with him this time are there to say yes and/or get rich. Aside from RFK who is there to kill us all, but I guess that is a different problem.

NOT TRUE!  RFK doesn’t want to kill us all. He wants the strongest to survive.

[Pete]

Elon style population worriers vs RFK OTSS-ers?

[Stupid Fitz]

Elon style population worriers vs RFK OTSS-ers?

Good point. Maybe they will cancel each other out.

[wetwillie]

At least we can now trust the jobs reports and inflation numbers again

[mocat]

Just a rinse repeat of 16.


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Eh you could argue 2016 was a fluke. This wasn't a fluke, it was a real shift.

Yeah the shift towards trump from Latinos is pretty incredible

[Pete]

Just a rinse repeat of 16.


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Eh you could argue 2016 was a fluke. This wasn't a fluke, it was a real shift.

Yeah the shift towards trump from Latinos is pretty incredible

What issues drive that?

[Sandstone Outcropping]

I guess one Peggy Pos is that he won't have to do another January 6.

When the autopsy is done on all this, I guess the blame will fall at Sleepy Joe's feet for not stepping down from the Interim Dictator role sooner?

[Stupid Fitz]

Just a rinse repeat of 16.


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Eh you could argue 2016 was a fluke. This wasn't a fluke, it was a real shift.

Yeah the shift towards trump from Latinos is pretty incredible

What issues drive that?

The entire R platform is to convince people that they are going to make it worse for "other people" than they have it. It doesn't really matter who the "other" people are. It doesn't even matter that their own lives won't be noticeably better, it just matters that others will have it worse.

[Stupid Fitz]

I guess one Peggy Pos is that he won't have to do another January 6.

When the autopsy is done on all this, I guess the blame will fall at Sleepy Joe's feet for not stepping down from the Interim Dictator role sooner?

Probably, but who would they have picked with more time? I'm just really glad a really old guy in mental decline isn't going to be president anymore. Right guys!!!

[Stupid Fitz]

also, before he gets here and calls us a bunch of whiny babies and posts hashtags I don't understand. Congrats Dax  I hope your guy does the good stuff you say will help us all and not all the bad stuff he says he's going to do.

Go Cats

[mocat]

Just a rinse repeat of 16.


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Eh you could argue 2016 was a fluke. This wasn't a fluke, it was a real shift.

Yeah the shift towards trump from Latinos is pretty incredible

What issues drive that?

The entire R platform is to convince people that they are going to make it worse for "other people" than they have it. It doesn't really matter who the "other" people are. It doesn't even matter that their own lives won't be noticeably better, it just matters that others will have it worse.

That doesn't explain a double digit shift from 2020

[cfbandyman]

Just a rinse repeat of 16.


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Eh you could argue 2016 was a fluke. This wasn't a fluke, it was a real shift.

Yeah the shift towards trump from Latinos is pretty incredible

What issues drive that?

The entire R platform is to convince people that they are going to make it worse for "other people" than they have it. It doesn't really matter who the "other" people are. It doesn't even matter that their own lives won't be noticeably better, it just matters that others will have it worse.

That doesn't explain a double digit shift from 2020

Yeah, it's a huge shift, would love to know why too.

[cfbandyman]

The Supreme Court has not specifically interpreted the Twenty-Second Amendment to determine whether a president is prohibited from serving more than two terms in total or just two consecutive terms. The amendment clearly states that no person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, but it does not explicitly address non-consecutive terms. As such, there is no Supreme Court ruling clarifying this aspect, and the general understanding remains that a president cannot serve more than two terms in total.

I mean they'll try but the verbage is

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

That first line is pretty damn cut and dry, regardless of consecutiveness. But hell why trust the supreme Court to agree with that.

Well that ones easy if he just declares an emergency and suspends future elections.

That's true, and if he cares. But again constitutionally would be hard. IDK, I do think to a degree this is as much a revenge tour as it is to clear himself. Maybe he'll be bored by the end. He will after all be even older and more NGAF

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Just a rinse repeat of 16.


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Eh you could argue 2016 was a fluke. This wasn't a fluke, it was a real shift.

Yeah the shift towards trump from Latinos is pretty incredible

What issues drive that?

The entire R platform is to convince people that they are going to make it worse for "other people" than they have it. It doesn't really matter who the "other" people are. It doesn't even matter that their own lives won't be noticeably better, it just matters that others will have it worse.

That doesn't explain a double digit shift from 2020

This cannot be explained as a fluke of the Electoral College. This is a popular mandate for maga, probably with house and senate being controlled by 'pubs whose only non-negotiable value is at least pretending to agree with whatever Trump says that day.

[wetwillie]

I was hoping sys would stop by and explain it all to us

[kstater]

The Supreme Court has not specifically interpreted the Twenty-Second Amendment to determine whether a president is prohibited from serving more than two terms in total or just two consecutive terms. The amendment clearly states that no person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, but it does not explicitly address non-consecutive terms. As such, there is no Supreme Court ruling clarifying this aspect, and the general understanding remains that a president cannot serve more than two terms in total.

I mean, if they interpret that to mean can run again, it means Obama can roll again. I don't think Trump wants to go against Obama right?   

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[catastrophe]

Just a rinse repeat of 16.


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Eh you could argue 2016 was a fluke. This wasn't a fluke, it was a real shift.

Yeah the shift towards trump from Latinos is pretty incredible

What issues drive that?

The entire R platform is to convince people that they are going to make it worse for "other people" than they have it. It doesn't really matter who the "other" people are. It doesn't even matter that their own lives won't be noticeably better, it just matters that others will have it worse.

That doesn't explain a double digit shift from 2020

Last night they were emphasizing that a big component of the demographic shifts in blacks and Latinos was among males specifically. The difference between now and 2020 is that the Democratic candidate (1) was not connected to Obama, and (2) was a woman.

[Stupid Fitz]

Just a rinse repeat of 16.


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Eh you could argue 2016 was a fluke. This wasn't a fluke, it was a real shift.

Yeah the shift towards trump from Latinos is pretty incredible

What issues drive that?

The entire R platform is to convince people that they are going to make it worse for "other people" than they have it. It doesn't really matter who the "other" people are. It doesn't even matter that their own lives won't be noticeably better, it just matters that others will have it worse.

That doesn't explain a double digit shift from 2020

Last night they were emphasizing that a big component of the demographic shifts in blacks and Latinos was among males specifically. The difference between now and 2020 is that the Democratic candidate (1) was not connected to Obama, and (2) was a woman.

yeah, this is probably it. It's sad, but i bet a ton of dudes out there just aren't going to vote for a woman regardless.

[yoga-like_abana]

I’m honestly shocked


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