2024 Presidential Race

[wetwillie]

A lot of people polled (like 28% in one case) say they want to know more about Harris. This is not true for Trump. So, as long as Harris represents herself well in the debate, she has the opportunity to win lots of votes.

If she can't avoid getting pantsed by Trump in a singular debate then she probably doesn't deserve to be president.  I think this is a good calculated risk because she does need a bit more out there for people to digest and refusing to debate Trump just makes it look like she lacks confidence imo.

[cfbandyman]

A lot of people polled (like 28% in one case) say they want to know more about Harris. This is not true for Trump. So, as long as Harris represents herself well in the debate, she has the opportunity to win lots of votes.

If she can't avoid getting pantsed by Trump in a singular debate then she probably doesn't deserve to be president.  I think this is a good calculated risk because she does need a bit more out there for people to digest and refusing to debate Trump just makes it look like she lacks confidence imo.

Correct

[michigancat]

I think Trump is a lunatic.  I%u2019m pretty sure Harris is going to win, so when she says something crazy/stupid/I don%u2019t like, I%u2019m going to point it out.

It's interesting, because you wouldn't get that impression from reading your posts. Just like one wouldn't think Trump is insane from reading most stories about him in the media!

Yeah I think you guys got the "trump is a lunatic" rhetoric handled pretty well here for the most part. 

Yes, and if it was newsworthy every time Trump said something bat crap crazy, that's all the news would talk about. So the behavior gets both-sided or ignored completely. It's really fascinating!

[Stupid Fitz]

A lot of people polled (like 28% in one case) say they want to know more about Harris. This is not true for Trump. So, as long as Harris represents herself well in the debate, she has the opportunity to win lots of votes.

If she can't avoid getting pantsed by Trump in a singular debate then she probably doesn't deserve to be president.  I think this is a good calculated risk because she does need a bit more out there for people to digest and refusing to debate Trump just makes it look like she lacks confidence imo.

I don't disagree with this at all, but she has to be pretty close to perfect, while Trump will be allowed to lie and be mostly incoherent like he always is. I'm still not sure it's worth the risk for her based on what happened after the Biden debate. Trump said all kinds of crazy crap and every website, tv show, etc. just said, "look how old Biden looked". She has her chance to turn the table, but it's still a big risk.

[Cartierfor3]

Debating Trump is a very, very foolish thing to do. Harris’ team is making a huge mistake.

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[_33]

A lot of people polled (like 28% in one case) say they want to know more about Harris. This is not true for Trump. So, as long as Harris represents herself well in the debate, she has the opportunity to win lots of votes.

Yeah, that's how I feel about this "debate". Trump is going to do trump things, and this isn't going to change any cultist minds. But this could for her allow her to very publicly in a non-DNC setting allow her to (hopefully) hold her own and make herself known. I think the biggest thing (and why she absolutely should do it assuming she can) is prove she is mentally light years ahead of Biden, and de facto trump. If you replaced a bumbling Biden and the last thing many people have in their mind is that debate, you have to replace not just Biden as the candidate, but Biden's last memory to the electorate with a new memory of her. That is what she has to do. Prove she's coherent, able to handle zingers and send them back, and have it not devolve into who's golf game is better.

I think her campaign so far has been pretty good at keeping trump off his normal game, and if she can succeed in that and be again, coherent and mentally capable as well as clear, she will bring enough fence sitters over, especially if trump comes off as exceedingly boorish, rambling bully he really is.

This is the bar for our presidential candidates: Prove you are mentally coherent.

[mocat]

A lot of people polled (like 28% in one case) say they want to know more about Harris. This is not true for Trump. So, as long as Harris represents herself well in the debate, she has the opportunity to win lots of votes.

Yeah, that's how I feel about this "debate". Trump is going to do trump things, and this isn't going to change any cultist minds. But this could for her allow her to very publicly in a non-DNC setting allow her to (hopefully) hold her own and make herself known. I think the biggest thing (and why she absolutely should do it assuming she can) is prove she is mentally light years ahead of Biden, and de facto trump. If you replaced a bumbling Biden and the last thing many people have in their mind is that debate, you have to replace not just Biden as the candidate, but Biden's last memory to the electorate with a new memory of her. That is what she has to do. Prove she's coherent, able to handle zingers and send them back, and have it not devolve into who's golf game is better.

I think her campaign so far has been pretty good at keeping trump off his normal game, and if she can succeed in that and be again, coherent and mentally capable as well as clear, she will bring enough fence sitters over, especially if trump comes off as exceedingly boorish, rambling bully he really is.

This is the bar for our presidential candidates: Prove you are mentally coherent.

Or not! I mean who cares

[cfbandyman]

A lot of people polled (like 28% in one case) say they want to know more about Harris. This is not true for Trump. So, as long as Harris represents herself well in the debate, she has the opportunity to win lots of votes.

Yeah, that's how I feel about this "debate". Trump is going to do trump things, and this isn't going to change any cultist minds. But this could for her allow her to very publicly in a non-DNC setting allow her to (hopefully) hold her own and make herself known. I think the biggest thing (and why she absolutely should do it assuming she can) is prove she is mentally light years ahead of Biden, and de facto trump. If you replaced a bumbling Biden and the last thing many people have in their mind is that debate, you have to replace not just Biden as the candidate, but Biden's last memory to the electorate with a new memory of her. That is what she has to do. Prove she's coherent, able to handle zingers and send them back, and have it not devolve into who's golf game is better.

I think her campaign so far has been pretty good at keeping trump off his normal game, and if she can succeed in that and be again, coherent and mentally capable as well as clear, she will bring enough fence sitters over, especially if trump comes off as exceedingly boorish, rambling bully he really is.

This is the bar for our presidential candidates: Prove you are mentally coherent.

I mean, it drove Biden out, might as well do it for trump. But tis a low bar when launch codes are on the table.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, I don't see Trump's supporters caring much about his mental state.

[Fedor]

A lot of people polled (like 28% in one case) say they want to know more about Harris. This is not true for Trump. So, as long as Harris represents herself well in the debate, she has the opportunity to win lots of votes.

Yeah, that's how I feel about this "debate". Trump is going to do trump things, and this isn't going to change any cultist minds. But this could for her allow her to very publicly in a non-DNC setting allow her to (hopefully) hold her own and make herself known. I think the biggest thing (and why she absolutely should do it assuming she can) is prove she is mentally light years ahead of Biden, and de facto trump. If you replaced a bumbling Biden and the last thing many people have in their mind is that debate, you have to replace not just Biden as the candidate, but Biden's last memory to the electorate with a new memory of her. That is what she has to do. Prove she's coherent, able to handle zingers and send them back, and have it not devolve into who's golf game is better.

I think her campaign so far has been pretty good at keeping trump off his normal game, and if she can succeed in that and be again, coherent and mentally capable as well as clear, she will bring enough fence sitters over, especially if trump comes off as exceedingly boorish, rambling bully he really is.

This is the bar for our presidential candidates: Prove you are mentally coherent.

I mean, it drove Biden out, might as well do it for trump. But tis a low bar when launch codes are on the table.

It didn't drive Biden out, the fact he was going to lose to Trump drove Biden out.

[Rage Against the McKee]

A lot of people polled (like 28% in one case) say they want to know more about Harris. This is not true for Trump. So, as long as Harris represents herself well in the debate, she has the opportunity to win lots of votes.

Yeah, that's how I feel about this "debate". Trump is going to do trump things, and this isn't going to change any cultist minds. But this could for her allow her to very publicly in a non-DNC setting allow her to (hopefully) hold her own and make herself known. I think the biggest thing (and why she absolutely should do it assuming she can) is prove she is mentally light years ahead of Biden, and de facto trump. If you replaced a bumbling Biden and the last thing many people have in their mind is that debate, you have to replace not just Biden as the candidate, but Biden's last memory to the electorate with a new memory of her. That is what she has to do. Prove she's coherent, able to handle zingers and send them back, and have it not devolve into who's golf game is better.

I think her campaign so far has been pretty good at keeping trump off his normal game, and if she can succeed in that and be again, coherent and mentally capable as well as clear, she will bring enough fence sitters over, especially if trump comes off as exceedingly boorish, rambling bully he really is.

This is the bar for our presidential candidates: Prove you are mentally coherent.

I mean, it drove Biden out, might as well do it for trump. But tis a low bar when launch codes are on the table.

It didn't drive Biden out, the fact he was going to lose to Trump drove Biden out.

Trump is going to lose to Harris, but it's not like Vance would do any better.

[nicname]

Vegas

Trump -108
Harris +114

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[bucket]

I'm with nicname. I'm not nearly as optimistic about Harris' chances as dlew and Rage. I think it's hers to lose but I think she has to walk too fine a line.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

https://x.com/lorenaoneil/status/1833679791687434678

[cfbandyman]

This is the same tired trump act

[GregKSU1027]

This is the same tired trump act

Yeah I hope America is just as sick and tired of it as we are.

[star seed 7]

It's going exactly as I expected. Crazy person vs sane person

[GregKSU1027]

It's going exactly as I expected. Crazy person vs sane person

Agreed. This 10 minutes here about January 6th is the nail in the coffin hopefully

[cfbandyman]

It's going exactly as I expected. Crazy person vs sane person

Which is good. Keep pressing how crazy he is.

[cfbandyman]

This is the same tired trump act

Yeah I hope America is just as sick and tired of it as we are.

Agreed, but far too many want more of it

[wetwillie]

It's going exactly as I expected. Crazy person vs sane person

She's done a good job not getting drawn into the mud slinging

[catastrophe]

I’d honestly prefer without the moderator fact checking since it seems biased against the guy who lies constantly

[cfbandyman]

I’d honestly prefer without the moderator fact checking since it seems biased against the guy who lies constantly

Already seen tweets saying oh how curious only one is being fact checked...

[CNS]

Would be interested to see how trumpers thought tonight has gone.