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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2022, 12:13:13 PM »
I actually watched a lot of Nubbs games last year (many friends are) so I saw a lot of Martinez's play in real time, and in general I will echo the same sentiments.

His o-line was just, god awful, and one thing to keep in mind from a "luck" stand point, Nubbs was exceedingly unlucky. Look it up, they only won 1 big 10 game, but there PF/PA was dead even, which speaks to how many damn close/weird ass games they were in. Martinez can definitely be blamed for many of those issues, but he also cannot be blamed for as many if not more issues as well. Also Nubbs defense was very inconsistent, they could be equally lock down as equally WTF depending on the game and situation.

I tend to echo your overall assessment, I do think he'll have more TOs than 5 ints, but I expect not much more like 7 or 8. Even with his lack of a oline he still can cowboy it up a bit, regardless he's going to be an exciting watch, and his experience and talent combined with having a competent o-line, and better cast of characters around him that will take some pressure off him, with hopefully a better play caller in Klein will mean he should thrive pretty well.

Assume he's healthy, I think he'll throw for about 2500 yards, 18ish TDs, 8 INTs, and more like 400 or 500 yards of rushing (I think he'll get some big scramble plays to booth the overall numbers). I do think he'll rush for like 8ish TDs, he's too good a runner and scrambler to not find a hole if things break down and take something long on the ground.
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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2022, 12:15:24 PM »
Great write ups, I'm all aboard the 10-2 play in Arlington for a big12 title train.

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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2022, 12:21:53 PM »
Is he James McGill or nah?

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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2022, 12:24:23 PM »
I actually watched a lot of Nubbs games last year (many friends are) so I saw a lot of Martinez's play in real time, and in general I will echo the same sentiments.

His o-line was just, god awful, and one thing to keep in mind from a "luck" stand point, Nubbs was exceedingly unlucky. Look it up, they only won 1 big 10 game, but there PF/PA was dead even, which speaks to how many damn close/weird ass games they were in. Martinez can definitely be blamed for many of those issues, but he also cannot be blamed for as many if not more issues as well. Also Nubbs defense was very inconsistent, they could be equally lock down as equally WTF depending on the game and situation.

I tend to echo your overall assessment, I do think he'll have more TOs than 5 ints, but I expect not much more like 7 or 8. Even with his lack of a oline he still can cowboy it up a bit, regardless he's going to be an exciting watch, and his experience and talent combined with having a competent o-line, and better cast of characters around him that will take some pressure off him, with hopefully a better play caller in Klein will mean he should thrive pretty well.

Assume he's healthy, I think he'll throw for about 2500 yards, 18ish TDs, 8 INTs, and more like 400 or 500 yards of rushing (I think he'll get some big scramble plays to booth the overall numbers). I do think he'll rush for like 8ish TDs, he's too good a runner and scrambler to not find a hole if things break down and take something long on the ground.

Yeah, 7 or 8 Int is probably more realistic. I may be placing too much blame on the coaching staff for his "cowboy" throws. 18 passing TDs would be amazing. Also hoping we're not in as many come from behind games in the 4th quarter like they were, so he won't be trying to hero it up all the time.

I put him at 300 yards on the ground mainly due to the fact that he probably won't have as many designed runs for him this year. But yes he'll definitely break off some long TD runs a few times

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« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2022, 12:29:24 PM »
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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2022, 12:43:14 PM »
Special teams probably cost them games vs illinois(dumb safety, missed fg, missed xp) and ohio state (2 missed field goals, lost by 6)
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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2022, 04:46:28 PM »
I actually watched a lot of Nubbs games last year (many friends are) so I saw a lot of Martinez's play in real time, and in general I will echo the same sentiments.

His o-line was just, god awful, and one thing to keep in mind from a "luck" stand point, Nubbs was exceedingly unlucky. Look it up, they only won 1 big 10 game, but there PF/PA was dead even, which speaks to how many damn close/weird ass games they were in. Martinez can definitely be blamed for many of those issues, but he also cannot be blamed for as many if not more issues as well. Also Nubbs defense was very inconsistent, they could be equally lock down as equally WTF depending on the game and situation.

I tend to echo your overall assessment, I do think he'll have more TOs than 5 ints, but I expect not much more like 7 or 8. Even with his lack of a oline he still can cowboy it up a bit, regardless he's going to be an exciting watch, and his experience and talent combined with having a competent o-line, and better cast of characters around him that will take some pressure off him, with hopefully a better play caller in Klein will mean he should thrive pretty well.

Assume he's healthy, I think he'll throw for about 2500 yards, 18ish TDs, 8 INTs, and more like 400 or 500 yards of rushing (I think he'll get some big scramble plays to booth the overall numbers). I do think he'll rush for like 8ish TDs, he's too good a runner and scrambler to not find a hole if things break down and take something long on the ground.

Yeah, 7 or 8 Int is probably more realistic. I may be placing too much blame on the coaching staff for his "cowboy" throws. 18 passing TDs would be amazing. Also hoping we're not in as many come from behind games in the 4th quarter like they were, so he won't be trying to hero it up all the time.

I put him at 300 yards on the ground mainly due to the fact that he probably won't have as many designed runs for him this year. But yes he'll definitely break off some long TD runs a few times

Sure with the yards. I guess for the passing TDs I didn't think 1.5TD/game was overly crazy :dunno:
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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2022, 11:28:26 PM »
I actually watched a lot of Nubbs games last year (many friends are) so I saw a lot of Martinez's play in real time, and in general I will echo the same sentiments.

His o-line was just, god awful, and one thing to keep in mind from a "luck" stand point, Nubbs was exceedingly unlucky. Look it up, they only won 1 big 10 game, but there PF/PA was dead even, which speaks to how many damn close/weird ass games they were in. Martinez can definitely be blamed for many of those issues, but he also cannot be blamed for as many if not more issues as well. Also Nubbs defense was very inconsistent, they could be equally lock down as equally WTF depending on the game and situation.

I tend to echo your overall assessment, I do think he'll have more TOs than 5 ints, but I expect not much more like 7 or 8. Even with his lack of a oline he still can cowboy it up a bit, regardless he's going to be an exciting watch, and his experience and talent combined with having a competent o-line, and better cast of characters around him that will take some pressure off him, with hopefully a better play caller in Klein will mean he should thrive pretty well.

Assume he's healthy, I think he'll throw for about 2500 yards, 18ish TDs, 8 INTs, and more like 400 or 500 yards of rushing (I think he'll get some big scramble plays to booth the overall numbers). I do think he'll rush for like 8ish TDs, he's too good a runner and scrambler to not find a hole if things break down and take something long on the ground.

Yeah, 7 or 8 Int is probably more realistic. I may be placing too much blame on the coaching staff for his "cowboy" throws. 18 passing TDs would be amazing. Also hoping we're not in as many come from behind games in the 4th quarter like they were, so he won't be trying to hero it up all the time.

I put him at 300 yards on the ground mainly due to the fact that he probably won't have as many designed runs for him this year. But yes he'll definitely break off some long TD runs a few times

If we’re going to be legitimate B12 contenders Martinez is going to be doing a lot more damage on the ground than that.
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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #58 on: August 14, 2022, 11:37:06 PM »
Don't disagree, but also I think he won't need to hustle as much with us vs Nubbs given o-line improvments. But as stated I think he gets closer to 400-500 yards and around 7/8 ground TDs, maybe more. After all soon to be Dolphin's QB1 Thompson had 4 just vs OU in 2019
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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2022, 12:19:19 AM »
I would love to see how these Martinez reviews would go if he had transferred to KU instead of K-State.

(This comment has nothing to do with the reviewers in this thread, just about K-State fans in general)

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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2022, 03:39:45 AM »
I would love to see how these Martinez reviews would go if he had transferred to KU instead of K-State.

(This comment has nothing to do with the reviewers in this thread, just about K-State fans in general)

He would have only gone to KU if he were shittier.
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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2022, 06:51:15 AM »
I would love to see how these Martinez reviews would go if he had transferred to KU instead of K-State.

(This comment has nothing to do with the reviewers in this thread, just about K-State fans in general)

My opinion of him would be the same: he’s a good qb who was put in a system that didn’t suit him with an o line that never learned to block. Since KU also has a crap o line I’d say he’d have a similar year. He’d win them some games for sure, but would also struggle to be consistent. However I think the coaching staff at KU is better than Nebraska. (Hard to know about their new offensive staff though)

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« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2022, 09:01:56 AM »
KU would probably win 5 or 6 games with Martinez at QB. They would still be worse than Nebraska was last year, but Nebraska dropped a few games they should have won so the records would be about the same.

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« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2022, 09:06:36 AM »
He was a 4 year P5 starter at QB.  KU hasn't had a legitimate P5 starting QB since Reesing so Martinez would've clearly been a big upgrade for them.  He would take them to heights they haven't seen in over a decade, winning a couple B12 games for them.

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« Reply #64 on: August 15, 2022, 11:36:16 AM »
KU would probably win 5 or 6 games with Martinez at QB. They would still be worse than Nebraska was last year, but Nebraska dropped a few games they should have won so the records would be about the same.

How many do you think they'll win with Jaylon Daniels? I think they're pretty similar QBs.

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« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2022, 11:49:32 AM »
KU would probably win 5 or 6 games with Martinez at QB. They would still be worse than Nebraska was last year, but Nebraska dropped a few games they should have won so the records would be about the same.

How many do you think they'll win with Jaylon Daniels? I think they're pretty similar QBs.

I think they win 3 or 4 games this year. I'd be very surprised if they don't beat Tennessee Tech and Duke, anyway, and they probably win at least one conference game.

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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2022, 04:15:27 PM »
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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #68 on: September 04, 2022, 12:38:07 PM »
AM got hit on a corner blitz. Hard to say whether he could’ve/should’ve held onto it or if he should’ve had better pocket awareness. Probably had better wide receivers at N and our play calling was pretty conservative. Probably a B performance overall considering he wasn’t asked to do much.
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Re: Adrian Martinez…. American hero and soon to be NFL quarterback
« Reply #69 on: September 04, 2022, 01:38:09 PM »
There were times when he held the ball for a REALLY long time.

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« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2022, 01:44:10 PM »
There were times when he held the ball for a REALLY long time.

Yeah, either our receivers weren't getting open or he was making too conservative decisions to avoid interceptions. Either way it is slightly concerning.

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« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2022, 01:46:35 PM »
On a positive note, everybody seems to think Katori Levingston had a good game and should be fine at left tackle
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« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2022, 01:58:46 PM »
There were times when he held the ball for a REALLY long time.

Yeah, either our receivers weren't getting open or he was making too conservative decisions to avoid interceptions. Either way it is slightly concerning.
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But i think i counted 2 or 3 drops.  The 40+ yard pass to Brooks i thought was a great pass into coverage, but no replay and bad angle, i can’t confirm anything other than it was incomplete. Did Brooks even get his hands on it?


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« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2022, 05:49:41 PM »
martinez looked slow in every aspect of the qb position


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« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2022, 06:07:40 PM »
martinez looked slow in every aspect of the qb position

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