Possible WW3 thread

[wetwillie]

We should sell it to them IMO but I don’t mind fighting a proxy war that drains Russia. Maybe we give aid on front end and extract it somehow on back end anyway.

[star seed 7]

I'm with ww, how can we financially gain the most from this war?

[Cire]

All those russian vehicles rolling around with no infantry support is just so stupid

[sys]

I'm with ww, how can we financially gain the most from this war?

by helping ukraine win the war as quickly as possible and allowing the world to return to a more productive economy.

[LickNeckey]

the math I saw recently on russian mechanized losses and the dollar figures associated with it were staggering.

the number on the artillery expenditure alone was wild

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Call me sentimental but I think there is also value in helping the Ukrainians keep their entire country from being turned into a giant Bucha / war crime scene:

What happened that day in Bucha was what Russian soldiers on intercepted phone conversations called “zachistka” — cleansing. The Russians hunted people on lists prepared by their intelligence services and went door to door to identify potential threats. Those who didn’t pass this filtration, including volunteer fighters and civilians suspected of assisting Ukrainian troops, were tortured and executed, surveillance video, audio intercepts and interviews show.

The Associated Press and the PBS series “Frontline” obtained surveillance camera footage from Bucha that shows, for the first time, what a cleansing operation in Ukraine looks like. This was organized brutality that would be repeated at scale in Russian-occupied territories across Ukraine — a strategy to neutralize resistance and terrorize locals into submission that Russian troops have used in past conflicts, notably Chechnya.

https://apnews.com/article/bucha-ukraine-war-cleansing-investigation-43e5a9538e9ba68a035756b05028b8b4?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_01

[sys]

I think there is also value in helping the Ukrainians keep their entire country from being turned into a giant Bucha / war crime scene.

yes.

[wetwillie]

I'm with ww, how can we financially gain the most from this war?

by helping ukraine win the war as quickly as possible and allowing the world to return to a more productive economy.

Is this code for making them give our biggest corps contracts to rebuild the joint after the war is over?

[sys]

no it's a code for everyone will be more prosperous when material shortages and economic displacements due to the war disappear or are reduced and because we are a very rich country with a very large economy we will benefit from that more than most.

[Katpappy]

Dax has always been a stalking horse for pub talking points.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1588287774397898752?s=20&t=dxym6V6gnFIVU342nI6cEQ

Is this a dumb crack from Iowa? 

[Katpappy]

I'd still eff that M&M, but I don't speak for all red-blooded Americans.

Tell the truth, you'll eat that M&M when you smell her chocolate.

[steve dave]

Katdaddy no!


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[Katpappy]

Katdaddy no!


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I was rightfully responding to Spracne's sex-lusting thoughts.

[Pete]

Where do the dollars originate from? I assume it’s from the military budget which has already been approved by Congress for this fiscal year.  If republicans take the house this go around I could see the next budget iteration cutting off Ukraine.

congress has to appropriate money for us to be able to give aid to ukraine.  in most cases, that money is then given to the dept of defense and the dept of defense transfers weapons deemed to be worth that amount to ukraine.  the money allocated also has to pay for the transport and any refurbishing of the weapons.  and i'm pretty sure any non-materiel assistance we deliver like satellite intel is also charged to aid packages.

the weapons given are a mix of old stuff that we probably would never use again anyways and new stuff that is in active production.  in the former case, the actual value of that equipment to our military is almost quite a bit less than the paper value they realize when congress gives them money to send it to ukraine.


we also sometimes give ukraine money to purchase weapons themselves or pay other countries to deliver weapons to ukraine (like today it was announced that holland and the u.s. are going 50:50 on funds to help the czech republic refurbish and donate some old soviet tanks they have kicking around).  but i think those allocations are much smaller than what we send directly.


we've only sent like 18.9 billion in military aid.  it's not very much money.

Very good investment of US military $$.

Supporting an ally, strengthening NATO ties and totally wrecking Russia's military / exposing Russia's conventional forces as a paper tiger (which will weaken their future efforts to bully and intimidate their neighbors in Eastern Europe).

IKNOWRITE

[sonofdaxjones]

Neo-Libs/Neocons . . . birds of feather.

Once upon a time the long lost Prog-Libs would have had a triple decker crap fit at the amount of money we're sending Ukraine.  That movement is long dead, even the pretenders are just a parody at this point.

Barry publicly didn't want anything to do with those mega corrupt turds littered with neo-nazi's and ultra-nationalists.  Sadly, he let the CIA/DOD and Biden., McCain and Graham and elements in the State Department keep right on training them and supporting them.

judging by the results, they are doing a great job at this

#slowdug loves his Ukrainian Nazi’s

Sad

[sonofdaxjones]

The Ukrainians keep coming back and asking for billions upon billions of dollars in additional weapons platforms.

Not just supplies of ammunition and the things needed to support the daily operations of a military, but actual weapons platforms.   

#neocongE never takes a step back and asks why the Ukrainians are continually begging for billions of dollars of additional platforms when they’ve been sent billions of dollars worth of systems already.

[steve dave]

Dax, I’m hopeful that, like on gE, you hang around a group of cool and good human beings in your irl. I’m saying this as a friend for that reason: it is subhuman to keep spouting cost bullshit on a war where a people are being slaughtered, raped, and having their children taken from them and sent back to the invaders country. Nobody here, even wacky, gives a crap what the dollar value is to support Ukraine. So, don’t say that kind of stuff out in the wild is my advice.


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[steve dave]

But if you’ve got to say stuff like that to keep yourself from outing yourself public ally this is a very safe space. Keep letting it out bro.


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[sonofdaxjones]

Dax, I’m hopeful that, like on gE, you hang around a group of cool and good human beings in your irl. I’m saying this as a friend for that reason: it is subhuman to keep spouting cost bullshit on a war where a people are being slaughtered, raped, and having their children taken from them and sent back to the invaders country. Nobody here, even wacky, gives a crap what the dollar value is to support Ukraine. So, don’t say that kind of stuff out in the wild is my advice.


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I say this to you SteveDave, I hope you and the rest of #neocongE wake up and start demanding negotiations to end this war.

Stop acting like a bunch of incel “going tactile” juveniles playing COD all day with the Rambo series on permanent loop on a side screen.

Quit acting like a bunch of uneducated derps and just admit that the United States and NATO have meddled in Ukraine for years at a level the United States has never and would never allow on its borders and history has proven that time and time again - with everything from coups and attempted coups, terrorist rape squads, invasions and all the way to the cusp of WWIII.   

[Cire]

When Ukraine asks for help negotiating peace. I will clamor for peace.

But if they want to continue to kill Russian invaders to protect their wives from being raped and children being kidnapped I will support them defending themselves.


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[Cire]

I imagine at that point, you will be arguing that they are getting what they asked for.


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[Dugout DickStone]

When Ukraine asks for help negotiating peace. I will clamor for peace.

But if they want to continue to kill Russian invaders to protect their wives from being raped and children being kidnapped I will support them defending themselves.


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This is a reasonable non incel position.  Thus incels will oppose

[Dugout DickStone]

The Russians are upping the grooming campaign I see.  Weirdos

[steve dave]

When Ukraine asks for help negotiating peace. I will clamor for peace.

But if they want to continue to kill Russian invaders to protect their wives from being raped and children being kidnapped I will support them defending themselves.


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100%


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[CNS]

no it's a code for everyone will be more prosperous when material shortages and economic displacements due to the war disappear or are reduced and because we are a very rich country with a very large economy we will benefit from that more than most.

Problem is there are like 3 more wars all queued up and ready to go.