I really can't believe how wrong I was about Putin's intentions. Pretty much the entire establishment nailed this one completely and my skepticism at every turn was wrongly placed and I misread every obvious move as having some sort of subtext when it was TEXT in all caps.
I know Pete isn't celebrating because who would at such a terrible outcome, but I still kind of can't believe what we are witnessing as it truly is about the worst that others had said Putin might be up to. I was jaded by the endless Russia predictions and accusations and dismissed what was right in front of me.
I am going to be watching and reading and hopefully learn something from this.
I still think the West has mishandled NATO and Putin and they possibly errored or misjudged how to handle things in the lead up to this, but there should not be any equivocation: Putin has blood on his hands and is at fault for this.
I hope we can set aside this petty stuff and it would be nice to have a thread about info instead of this petty back and forth.
Putin and Russia has warned for years that there will ultimately be very serious consequences if NATO continued on the course that they were on. Yet this administration and key components therein opted to continue down a path they clearly knew would never be suitable to Russia. Blood is on the Biden administrations hands, period.
Ukrianian blood is also on the hands of Bill Clinton - The unlawful bombing in the Balkans. George Bush and the NeoCons for the Middle Eastern and Georgian follies. Barrack Obama and his overthrow of one Russian client state (still in the midst of war) and attempted overthrow of another Russian client state - Syria (still in the midst of war) - Which ultimately caused Russia to take military action to protect the Syrian government (when they offered to broker an Assad exit years earlier, that was rejected by Obama and the West).
Yes. Putin and the Russian State/Military deserve the ultimate blame and scorn, but blowback is real and there are consequences for the US’s constant meddling in the affairs and politics we don’t understand and “devil may care” attitude to perspective, even of adversaries.
You disappoint me, Nic. And dax, you're an absolute clown fart for getting all giddy about this.
Only a total crap for brains thinks there's anyone that's giddy.
I cannot believe you're about to make me use my high voice ...
You're not the least bit funny, and all you've done use the very simple brained approach that anyone who isn't wrapped in the flag is a Putin Puppet/Traitor.
I'm sorry your guy has failed us (again) in the Ukraine. I'm sorry his administration is filled with hard line Russophobe-NeoCons. I'm sorry that your guy and his family were up to their eyelids in Ukrainian corruption and I'm sorry your other favorite recent Pres and Joe constantly meddled in Ukraine and even overthrew the government.
This is a complete lie. I am at least the least bit funny.
I'm sorry that your guy is a complete stan for Putin (apologies to 'clams for using that term, though he won't read this). I'm sorry that your movement must reflexively genuflect at the altar of the Kremlin. Wow, this rhetoric unmoored from reality is quite exhilarating.
Nothing says bowing to the Kremlin like (sadly) increasing the already massive U.S. military budget every year of his presidency. The constant espousal of U.S. global energy dominance was aimed at two things - OPEC and Russia. They broke off the completely worthless Iranian nuclear treaty - Iran is a Russian client state. Trump worked hard to move India away from Russia (and China) and towards the United States. The Trump administration sanctioned oligarchs - which is really worthless at the end of the day. They sanctioned Nordstream 2 (your guy lifted the sanctions) . . . and Democrats voted against putting the sanctions back on 6 weeks ago. Trump sanctioned Venezuela - A Russian client state. Nothing says a favor to Russia like imploring NATO countries to spend more on their military. Trump wanted to move U.S. forces closer to Russia. The broke off from the INF Treaty because of Russian violations. They broke away from the Open Skies treaty, which the U.S. didn't and doesn't need anyway because Russia wasn't following the rules. A move that was considered a direct diplomatic attack on Russia and Putin.
Obama-Biden constantly meddled in the Ukraine. Then Barry bowed to Putin in the era of flexibility, Putin took Crimea a little over a year later. Barry made up some total bullshit about Iran only working on short range and non ballistic missiles to stop the ABM deployment in Poland - It was really because Russia said mean things. Barry's Syrian follies invited Russia into the Middle East. There is and wasn't a corrupt regime in Eurasia Biden Family Inc hasn't/isn't/won't do business with. Your mentally incapacitated dude filled his administration with NeoCons and now their hardline stance relative to NATO membership and Biden's history of constantly meddling in Ukraine has come back to bite them in the ass.
