Possible WW3 thread

[LickNeckey]

 

3 years and 390 pages of denial that the US sought to “bleed Russia” (Lloyd ICU Austin)


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nobody has denied this

in fact it is clearly a significant benefit of assisting Ukraine

give Ukraine a path to retain sovereignty while allowing Russia to expend their war fighting capacity

[sonofdaxjones]

3 years and 390 pages of denial that the US sought to “bleed Russia” (Lloyd ICU Austin)


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nobody has denied this

in fact it is clearly a significant benefit of assisting Ukraine

give Ukraine a path to retain sovereignty while allowing Russia to expend their war fighting capacity

That's a sanitized way of saying fight Russia until the last Ukrainian.

You're a true armchair #neocon, Lick

[LickNeckey]

 I am cool with peace.

The group waging war is not.

If Russia wants to deplete itself I say we should oblige them.

Let Russia fight until the last Russian/North Korean.

*Things are going poorly when you are using North Korean mercenaries and paying children to have children

[sonofdaxjones]

Lick has the United States continuously meddled in the internal affairs of Ukraine? Yes or No?

After u answer truthfully for a change, and answer - Yes.  How has the United States reacted when we didn't like what our adversaries were doing in nearby countries and countries across the globe? It's hard to keep track of all the invasions (either direct or via proxy), coups and destabilization campaigns at this point. There's so many. 

I'll refrain from putting in the transcript of Victoria Nuland discussing who the US was going to hand pick to install as President of Ukraine . . . on a non secure telephone line with George Pyatt the ambassador to Ukraine. The flaccid and impotent denials of its authenticity, only affirm its authenticity (you can only use the "classic Russian intelligence" disinformation operation excuse so many times). Talk about terrible OPSEC . . . goodness. SMDH

[LickNeckey]

Yes Dax

Jesus

You are not the only one that knows/thinks this. Our intervention in Central America, Middle East, and globally in the post WWII era is apparent.

Reasons for Russian aggression are clear. They have in the post war world wanted to maintain a buffer of client states.

While we are answering each other's questions.

What was the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances?

[sonofdaxjones]

We continued to meddle . . .as Nuland testified in 2014, we were embedded in every level of Ukrainian government at that point, and our EU (alleged) military allies were shocked to discover the US military was locked at the hip with the Ukrainians for the previous decade or more when they first got heavily involved in 2022

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[LickNeckey]

What was the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances?

[sonofdaxjones]

Lick, it's a fools errand because both sides claim that the other broke multiple agreements.

That of course changes nothing about the fact that United States meddled in Ukrainian internal politics, up to and including overthrowing a fairly elected Ukrainian president.

We would never stand for that on our borders no matter how many pieces of paper were signed before then.

[LickNeckey]

Did Russia meddle in Ukrainian politics?

Did US "meddling" cause 800,000 people to protest in kiev?

Russia had tipped the scales against the will of the majority for years.

This continuation of the spirit of the Brezhnev Doctrine and concept of limited sovereignty was in full effect until Euromaidan.

I have no doubt we actively added spark but we weren't the chowder keg that wanted European alignment over Russian client state subjugation.

[LickNeckey]

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/02/trump-tariffs-russia-ukraine-ceasefire

[wetwillie]

North Korea didn't get a tariff either

[Dugout DickStone]

But some uninhabited islands did

[LickNeckey]

for too long those penguins have taken advantage of us!!!

[LickNeckey]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/katz-says-offensive-aimed-at-seizing-extensive-territory-as-idf-pounds-south-gaza/

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Meanwhile, Putin continues to slaughter kids in Ukraine.

https://x.com/JimmySecUK/status/1908206457327095856

[sonofdaxjones]

It's particularly ghoulish the way Sandstone and #neocongE picks and chooses to roll crocodile tears when innocents die in war.

[LickNeckey]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx27y7e2vk9o

[sonofdaxjones]

Imagine if the Robo Pen administration hadn't installed a terrorist in charge of Syria and if the Barry Obama - Hillary Clinton's of he world hadn't worked so diligently to destabilize the sitting government of Syria.

Instead we've had over a decade of chaos in that region, destabilization, death and refugees.

[Cire]

Imagine if the Robo Pen administration hadn't installed a terrorist in charge of Syria and if the Barry Obama - Hillary Clinton's of he world hadn't worked so diligently to destabilize the sitting government of Syria.

Instead we've had over a decade of chaos in that region, destabilization, death and refugees.

"over a decade" is quite the descriptor of middle east problems

[sonofdaxjones]

Imagine if the Robo Pen administration hadn't installed a terrorist in charge of Syria and if the Barry Obama - Hillary Clinton's of he world hadn't worked so diligently to destabilize the sitting government of Syria.

Instead we've had over a decade of chaos in that region, destabilization, death and refugees.

"over a decade" is quite the descriptor of middle east problems

Oh cire . . . this is pathetic even for you.

I clearly said I was talking about the Syrian region and a specific time frame.

[LickNeckey]

Imagine if the Robo Pen administration hadn't installed a terrorist in charge of Syria and if the Barry Obama - Hillary Clinton's of he world hadn't worked so diligently to destabilize the sitting government of Syria.

Instead we've had over a decade of chaos in that region, destabilization, death and refugees.

"over a decade" is quite the descriptor of middle east problems

 



https://www.crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/middle-east-chaos-orders-and-borders

[sonofdaxjones]

When you're completely embarrassed about how your political heroes created the current subset of problems in Syria and near Syrian borders, then you start playing the semantics and what about that Sykes-Picot agreement.

So much derp, but so very onbrand for Lick and Cire 

[LickNeckey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/s/v3RcKerUzb

[EMAWzifried]

Lick, it's a fools errand because both sides claim that the other broke multiple agreements.

That of course changes nothing about the fact that United States meddled in Ukrainian internal politics, up to and including overthrowing a fairly elected Ukrainian president.

We would never stand for that on our borders no matter how many pieces of paper were signed before then.

I don't think fairl RESPONSE
This is a recurring pro-Kremlin disinformation narrative about Ukraine's Euromaidan protests, depicting the 2013-14 revolution as a coup d'état and laying responsibility for the ensuing Russian aggression on the West.

There was no coup d’état in Kyiv in 2014. The spontaneous onset of the Euromaidan protests was not provoked externally, rather, it was a reaction from several segments of the Ukrainian population to former President Yanukovych’s sudden departure from the promised Association Agreement with the European Union in November 2013, after pressure from Russia.
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[wetwillie]

Whoa. 'Fried from the top ropes!