Possible WW3 thread

[sonofdaxjones]

Steve Dave unilateral proclamations are the tappiest tapouts that ever existed 

[Tobias]

recap on FORMER CNBC gonna be something else in the morning

[sonofdaxjones]

Gretna - where less than 1% were born outside these United States

Gretna: Where diversity goes to die a hard death 

[steve dave]

recap on FORMER CNBC gonna be something else in the morning

 

[sonofdaxjones]

#blueanongE having each others backs is just (as said many times) the most adorable thing ever. 

[steve dave]

Gretna - where less than 1% were born outside these United States

Gretna: Where diversity goes to die a hard death 

hell yeah brother, diversity and immigrant population are great things and I also agree they should be the more important measure of community. Just kicking your ass on your own terms earlier. We can agree on this now!

[sonofdaxjones]

Steve, you can't even define my "terms" let alone legit claim you were "kicking my ass".

Good lawd, I mean 

It's just the cutest thing.  Like a great dad letting the 5 year old think he kicked dads ass.

[steve dave]

Steve, you can't even define my "terms" let alone legit claim you were "kicking my ass".

Good lawd, I mean 

It's just the cutest thing.  Like a great dad letting the 5 year old think he kicked dads ass.

well, who is kicking whose ass I guess isn't up to you and I, I admit. Just a feeling I get the last few "tangles". maybe I'm cocky though.

[steve dave]

I do very much appreciate you being up for banter though. I get very little free time from work and family and when I do, THERE YOU ARE! irl appreciate you dax. you're my guy.

[sonofdaxjones]

Steve, we've literally built a gazillion missiles and aircraft carriers and everything else you can imagine . . . and the collective wealth in DC didn't even approach what it is now. So it has nothing to do with being pro military, and everything to do with pro perpetual war.  The former is perfectly acceptable, the latter is perfectly ghoulish

Always happy to help you see things in a vastly more intelligent way. Being a K-State thinking man/person isn't for everyone, Steve.

[Trim]

I do very much appreciate you being up for banter though. I get very little free time from work and family and when I do, THERE YOU ARE! irl appreciate you dax. you're my guy.

There’s pro tips for you in the travel thread if you can multitask your leisure time.

[steve dave]

well, I mean, we're the parent in the room. the kids will fight, but I'd like to continue to be the parent in the room and not a participant. and that means defense spending. not being the military power in the world would mean we are now a kid. not a future I want when I've seen what the kids do with their limited power.

I hate war and genocide, I feel like every immigrant (legal or not) is an equal human being to myself. I feel like every Ukrainians life is an equal to a US citizen life. Russian, NK, etc. hate that they fight and kill each other. BUT, I feel like for the most part outside of the middle east and russia invading ukraine we are in a pretty good spot right now (until china moves on Taiwan) all things considered. if you have a solution to that not happening that's not us wielding the stick I'd love to hear it.

[steve dave]

do people think that the USA not having the military might in the world yields a better place for people? it certainly would for some people. but a lot of other people would be dead as a result. our military power is critical to the world. having someone watching over you and making sure you're not killing a population is important (to me at least). I'd be fine with Canada in that role as well. but they're not stepping up to the plate with raytheon and lockheed and their unfortunate infrastructure to do it. sucks to be in charge, but that's where we find ourselves. and we live A GREAT LIFE while doing it. our economy has never been better (objectively). Our people have never been safer. a world war is really a thing of the past. but that's because we've had to be the parent in the room. nuclear weapon treaties, prociding over regional global bickerings, the works. it sucks, but it's what the parent has to do. the alternative of just leaving it to them to fight it out has horrific results, as the entire history of mankind has witnessed. we are truly in a blessed spot and it comes with a lot of responsibility.

[steve dave]

look how fuckin' rich us gretna people are tho, omg 

[sonofdaxjones]

I enjoy the banter as well.

But it's absolutely amazing to watch your mind at work.

Please explain where anyone is assailing the US being strong militarily in this thread?

The concept of multiple things can be true at the same time is absolutely lost on you, Steve. It's kind of amazing.

BTW - There's currently the most conflict in this world since World War II and the United States is at war either directly (Yemen) and via proxy across the globe.

As far as the economy, I won't get into the time bomb that Janet Yellen and friends are leaving behind and done simply to try and win an election (similar to the ridiculous lowering of the strategic oil reserve in 2022), and the concern that hedge fund managers have about our out of control national debt.

[wetwillie]

Oh there is definitely some hedging going on (ITT)

[CNS]

Dax, is your position that we should be more involved in global conflict AND spend less all while defense contractors should make less?

[steve dave]

Dax, is your position that we should be more involved in global conflict AND spend less all while defense contractors should make less?

I’m trying to square this as well


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[Pete]

I too feel of “multiple minds” about a lot of these matters, Dax.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

do people think that the USA not having the military might in the world yields a better place for people? it certainly would for some people. but a lot of other people would be dead as a result. our military power is critical to the world. having someone watching over you and making sure you're not killing a population is important (to me at least). I'd be fine with Canada in that role as well. but they're not stepping up to the plate with raytheon and lockheed and their unfortunate infrastructure to do it. sucks to be in charge, but that's where we find ourselves. and we live A GREAT LIFE while doing it. our economy has never been better (objectively). Our people have never been safer. a world war is really a thing of the past. but that's because we've had to be the parent in the room. nuclear weapon treaties, prociding over regional global bickerings, the works. it sucks, but it's what the parent has to do. the alternative of just leaving it to them to fight it out has horrific results, as the entire history of mankind has witnessed. we are truly in a blessed spot and it comes with a lot of responsibility.

100%. I don't think living in a world with China or Russia+Iran+North Korea as a global hegemon is good for most people in the world.

[Institutional Control]

If you had China cutting European communication cables on your card . . . Yahtzee!!

I think that's Bingo!!!.  You don't have to shout out Yahtzee.

[sonofdaxjones]

No - less involved.

We should also lower our ridiculous number of bases and outposts where we have military personnel.

All of that is supported by an out of control array of contractors and subcontractors. To the point the pentagon now calls - we’re doing better - a “win” in yet another failed audit. 

We’ve also got a ridiculous level of upper mid to senior executive types across the whole of government and redundancy out the ass.

What is it? 867 Federal Agencies and sub agencies?

When I sold to Federal accounts our required annual certifications included Federal agency roulette, and pin the agency/sub agency/department on the flow chart that covered entire walls in large training rooms . . . it was comical


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[Pete]

I am concerned that there is a material amount of folks in this country who would legitimately prefer a more authoritarian government be in place in this country. Further, I am concerned that those same folks aspire to become allies or at least uneasy allies with other authoritarian regimes in some sort of a mutually assured “you can do your thing and we can do our thing…Let’s both help enforce that we each get to do our own authoritarian thing” approach.

My belief is that absent a dominant United States of America  military the “let’s all be our own authoritarians” club would vastly grow in strength and easily become the way of the world.

Put another way, I believe that the United States and NATO are the only thing keeping us from a fully authoritarian planet.

Having said that, I do agree that the other NATO members need to pay their fair share.

[Pete]

Being cool with your country’s current or projected authoritarian style because it suits your personal interest is an illusion. It’s like thinking a lethal wild animal makes a great house pet.

[sonofdaxjones]

Being cool with your country’s current or projected authoritarian style because it suits your personal interest is an illusion. It’s like thinking a lethal wild animal makes a great house pet.

What in the world does this even mean.