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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5750 on: January 29, 2023, 03:37:29 PM »
My guess is we will not see much effect from the tanks for awhile so it will be a critical stage this spring and summer.


this is correct.  the u.s. tanks are a year away and the numbers of leopards being discussed are not decisive (and will also take a while to trickle in). 

the hope should be that the supply curve follows that of the 155 mm artillery.  the us, iirc, started that off with a pledge of 70 or 80 or so and today, 10 months laterish i think ukraine has received 300 or so units from many diff countries.

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« Reply #5751 on: January 29, 2023, 03:42:18 PM »
the weapons manufacturers and stockpiles reportedly getting blowed up in iran is pretty interesting.
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« Reply #5752 on: January 29, 2023, 03:52:30 PM »
the weapons manufacturers and stockpiles reportedly getting blowed up in iran is pretty interesting.

My twitter timeline was implying Armageddon and I couldn’t find a damn thing on any major news source about it.  Everyone was saying it was Israel.
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« Reply #5753 on: January 29, 2023, 04:00:01 PM »
Everyone was saying it was Israel.

seems likely but i dunno.
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« Reply #5754 on: January 29, 2023, 06:37:56 PM »
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ukraine and Eastern Europe is a notorious black market for weapons.  This is irrefutable fact and is backed by entities like Interpol, who have already said they are still finding weapons from the conflict in the Balkans on the black market even today.

The DOD has an entire acquisition wing that specializes in acquiring non U.S. standard weapons and sending them to various worst people in the world types around the globe.  They source many of those weapons through Eastern Europe and I've documented on this blog their usage of 3rd party transport companies and entities like Bout himself to the end.

The GAO over the years has issued scathing audits of DOD acquisition, inventory and accounting.  In the last 20 years the DOD has literally "lost" billions of dollars worth of hardware and even cash in places like Iraq. 

There was a 4 to 5 month period last summer when the DOD didn't have the first rough ridin' clue where crap was going once it was in Ukraine, they admitted and the #neocons in Congress said in many words they didn't care. 

You want me to bet based on the standard proclamations by the usual sources which is just  :lol: :lol:

You won't discuss why Joe Biden's and the Biden's are all up Ukraine's ass, and you don't want to discuss the latest $400 million dollar plus grift on M1's when we literally have 1000's of the things just sitting around gathering dust right now.

As I type this the British Defense Ministry is making plans on how to handle if Challengers fall into the wrong hands.  Also of note, the British only have 60 battle ready Challengers right now . . .  which only affirms that lazy ass Europe/NATO members just lay on the comfy hammock of U.S. military protection which will cost over a trillion dollars this year alone once you add in all the non budgeted items for the UkroGrifters and beyond.

Stipulated that oversight has been crap and that part of the globe, like literally every other place on the globe has unscrupulous criminals who will seek to steal high value items and sell.  We can move on.

Stipulated that the DOD also suffers from failings and definitely when caught off guard.  Biden was predicting the orc invasion/air conditioner blitzkreig years ago and they didn't set up the process to be ready when we did send arms in.  I tend to trust (maybe too much) our service men and women.  They will hopefully button down.  Regardless, this isn't time to be spineless/weak and try and give the groomers vast swaths of a sovereign nation.  they are falling upon the women and killing babies.

Also stipulated that a military develops contingency pans for literally everything ever.  I know the military is confusing to you but trust me, the US military has contingency plans for lizard men emerging from within the earth.  Planning to remotely shut down armaments that might be compromised is, uh, really really not surprising.

We are getting somewhere with these stipulations!  I feel like you are stepping outside of your comfort zone and really embracing new concepts.
You’re hitting on all the Captain Obvious points that literally everyone knows. The US military has lots of contingency plans. 

LOL, no crap.  A trillion dollar annual enterprise has lots of contingency plans.

When the GAO certifies all Abrams tanks in Ukraine accounted for at the end of the conflict then you win the bet

You haven’t even attempted to answer the question as to why our uber corrupt President has his head so far up UkroNazi ass, a country that his old boss refused to arm and internal state department memos  asked WTF the Biden’s we’re doing in Ukraine and Ukraine national media were asking why TF he was in Ukraine during his last couple of days as VPOTUS


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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5755 on: January 29, 2023, 06:44:15 PM »
did not anticipate that dax would be mad we’re not sending the fancy depleted uranium non-export armor m1s to the UkroNazi black hole
Are there any non Chobham Armor Challengers?

Why even bother to build regular armored Abrams. Modern anti tank missiles will cut right through that.

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« Reply #5756 on: January 30, 2023, 06:02:35 AM »

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« Reply #5757 on: January 30, 2023, 07:11:59 AM »
One thing that has been mentioned a lot is how cheaply we are able to bring Russia to its knees but we now have a nearly $1 Trillion defense budget with an increase of $80 billion which itself is the entire defense budget of Russia.

We are still funding human controlled bombers with another $200 billion outlay for the B21.

Just a completely wild and largely unremarked upon state of affairs, other than a big fight over whether it should include a vaccine mandate (we settled on “no”) which really sums things up.




https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-raises-13-billion-for-2023-defense-spending/6841435.html

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5759 on: January 30, 2023, 07:55:57 AM »



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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5760 on: January 30, 2023, 07:58:41 AM »
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« Reply #5761 on: January 30, 2023, 08:02:22 AM »
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« Reply #5762 on: January 30, 2023, 08:31:39 AM »
we now have a nearly $1 Trillion defense budget with an increase of $80 billion which itself is the entire defense budget of Russia.

as a % of gdp our defense budget is at or near the lowest it's been in decades right at a time when global conflicts are going up and china is skyrocketing their defense capabilities.  we should be increasing our spending by far more than a mere 80b.
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« Reply #5763 on: January 30, 2023, 08:42:59 AM »
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ukraine and Eastern Europe is a notorious black market for weapons.  This is irrefutable fact and is backed by entities like Interpol, who have already said they are still finding weapons from the conflict in the Balkans on the black market even today.

The DOD has an entire acquisition wing that specializes in acquiring non U.S. standard weapons and sending them to various worst people in the world types around the globe.  They source many of those weapons through Eastern Europe and I've documented on this blog their usage of 3rd party transport companies and entities like Bout himself to the end.

The GAO over the years has issued scathing audits of DOD acquisition, inventory and accounting.  In the last 20 years the DOD has literally "lost" billions of dollars worth of hardware and even cash in places like Iraq. 

There was a 4 to 5 month period last summer when the DOD didn't have the first rough ridin' clue where crap was going once it was in Ukraine, they admitted and the #neocons in Congress said in many words they didn't care. 

You want me to bet based on the standard proclamations by the usual sources which is just  :lol: :lol:

You won't discuss why Joe Biden's and the Biden's are all up Ukraine's ass, and you don't want to discuss the latest $400 million dollar plus grift on M1's when we literally have 1000's of the things just sitting around gathering dust right now.

As I type this the British Defense Ministry is making plans on how to handle if Challengers fall into the wrong hands.  Also of note, the British only have 60 battle ready Challengers right now . . .  which only affirms that lazy ass Europe/NATO members just lay on the comfy hammock of U.S. military protection which will cost over a trillion dollars this year alone once you add in all the non budgeted items for the UkroGrifters and beyond.

Stipulated that oversight has been crap and that part of the globe, like literally every other place on the globe has unscrupulous criminals who will seek to steal high value items and sell.  We can move on.

Stipulated that the DOD also suffers from failings and definitely when caught off guard.  Biden was predicting the orc invasion/air conditioner blitzkreig years ago and they didn't set up the process to be ready when we did send arms in.  I tend to trust (maybe too much) our service men and women.  They will hopefully button down.  Regardless, this isn't time to be spineless/weak and try and give the groomers vast swaths of a sovereign nation.  they are falling upon the women and killing babies.

Also stipulated that a military develops contingency pans for literally everything ever.  I know the military is confusing to you but trust me, the US military has contingency plans for lizard men emerging from within the earth.  Planning to remotely shut down armaments that might be compromised is, uh, really really not surprising.

We are getting somewhere with these stipulations!  I feel like you are stepping outside of your comfort zone and really embracing new concepts.
You’re hitting on all the Captain Obvious points that literally everyone knows. The US military has lots of contingency plans. 

LOL, no crap.  A trillion dollar annual enterprise has lots of contingency plans.

When the GAO certifies all Abrams tanks in Ukraine accounted for at the end of the conflict then you win the bet

You haven’t even attempted to answer the question as to why our uber corrupt President has his head so far up UkroNazi ass, a country that his old boss refused to arm and internal state department memos  asked WTF the Biden’s we’re doing in Ukraine and Ukraine national media were asking why TF he was in Ukraine during his last couple of days as VPOTUS


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biden is involved in Ukraine because they were invaded, the russians are raping and killing babies and the rest of the globe except iran and north korea are on the side on ukraine.  showing russia for a weak, aging, failing paper tiger is a benefit also.

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« Reply #5764 on: January 30, 2023, 08:51:30 AM »
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ukraine and Eastern Europe is a notorious black market for weapons.  This is irrefutable fact and is backed by entities like Interpol, who have already said they are still finding weapons from the conflict in the Balkans on the black market even today.

The DOD has an entire acquisition wing that specializes in acquiring non U.S. standard weapons and sending them to various worst people in the world types around the globe.  They source many of those weapons through Eastern Europe and I've documented on this blog their usage of 3rd party transport companies and entities like Bout himself to the end.

The GAO over the years has issued scathing audits of DOD acquisition, inventory and accounting.  In the last 20 years the DOD has literally "lost" billions of dollars worth of hardware and even cash in places like Iraq. 

There was a 4 to 5 month period last summer when the DOD didn't have the first rough ridin' clue where crap was going once it was in Ukraine, they admitted and the #neocons in Congress said in many words they didn't care. 

You want me to bet based on the standard proclamations by the usual sources which is just  :lol: :lol:

You won't discuss why Joe Biden's and the Biden's are all up Ukraine's ass, and you don't want to discuss the latest $400 million dollar plus grift on M1's when we literally have 1000's of the things just sitting around gathering dust right now.

As I type this the British Defense Ministry is making plans on how to handle if Challengers fall into the wrong hands.  Also of note, the British only have 60 battle ready Challengers right now . . .  which only affirms that lazy ass Europe/NATO members just lay on the comfy hammock of U.S. military protection which will cost over a trillion dollars this year alone once you add in all the non budgeted items for the UkroGrifters and beyond.

Stipulated that oversight has been crap and that part of the globe, like literally every other place on the globe has unscrupulous criminals who will seek to steal high value items and sell.  We can move on.

Stipulated that the DOD also suffers from failings and definitely when caught off guard.  Biden was predicting the orc invasion/air conditioner blitzkreig years ago and they didn't set up the process to be ready when we did send arms in.  I tend to trust (maybe too much) our service men and women.  They will hopefully button down.  Regardless, this isn't time to be spineless/weak and try and give the groomers vast swaths of a sovereign nation.  they are falling upon the women and killing babies.

Also stipulated that a military develops contingency pans for literally everything ever.  I know the military is confusing to you but trust me, the US military has contingency plans for lizard men emerging from within the earth.  Planning to remotely shut down armaments that might be compromised is, uh, really really not surprising.

We are getting somewhere with these stipulations!  I feel like you are stepping outside of your comfort zone and really embracing new concepts.
You’re hitting on all the Captain Obvious points that literally everyone knows. The US military has lots of contingency plans. 

LOL, no crap.  A trillion dollar annual enterprise has lots of contingency plans.

When the GAO certifies all Abrams tanks in Ukraine accounted for at the end of the conflict then you win the bet

You haven’t even attempted to answer the question as to why our uber corrupt President has his head so far up UkroNazi ass, a country that his old boss refused to arm and internal state department memos  asked WTF the Biden’s we’re doing in Ukraine and Ukraine national media were asking why TF he was in Ukraine during his last couple of days as VPOTUS


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biden is involved in Ukraine because they were invaded, the russians are raping and killing babies and the rest of the globe except iran and north korea are on the side on ukraine.  showing russia for a weak, aging, failing paper tiger is a benefit also.
That’s the answer from someone who just realized what Ukraine was 10 months ago.

Just sad, but expected.

Just can’t bring himself to answer why Joe Biden has been wrapped with the UkroNazi’s for a decade now. 

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5765 on: January 30, 2023, 08:54:26 AM »
we now have a nearly $1 Trillion defense budget with an increase of $80 billion which itself is the entire defense budget of Russia.

as a % of gdp our defense budget is at or near the lowest it's been in decades right at a time when global conflicts are going up and china is skyrocketing their defense capabilities.  we should be increasing our spending by far more than a mere 80b.

Could you expand on the China skyrocketing their defense capabilities?
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« Reply #5766 on: January 30, 2023, 10:17:41 AM »
we now have a nearly $1 Trillion defense budget with an increase of $80 billion which itself is the entire defense budget of Russia.

as a % of gdp our defense budget is at or near the lowest it's been in decades right at a time when global conflicts are going up and china is skyrocketing their defense capabilities.  we should be increasing our spending by far more than a mere 80b.
It was an 8% increase. And I don’t think that counts all the additional Ukraine spending in supplementals.

And I honestly don’t even mind so much the point you’ve made recently about shifting priority to ammunition and HIMARS and such, but the F35 and B21 are just complete disasters of a program. They don’t really work, they are insanely expensive, there are multitudes of better cheaper options, and for the F35 in particular every branch got to add on their own little Christmas ornament for a different model making it even less effective and more expensive. 

Also, Rand Paul had an amendment for oversight of where the material and funding was actually going in Ukraine and it went down on 90+ votes. I don’t like Rand, but there seems like plenty of places to cut or at a minimum exercise some oversight of this behemoth.
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« Reply #5767 on: January 30, 2023, 10:19:35 AM »
we now have a nearly $1 Trillion defense budget with an increase of $80 billion which itself is the entire defense budget of Russia.

as a % of gdp our defense budget is at or near the lowest it's been in decades right at a time when global conflicts are going up and china is skyrocketing their defense capabilities.  we should be increasing our spending by far more than a mere 80b.

We definitely should be spending less on defense.

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« Reply #5768 on: January 30, 2023, 10:37:42 AM »



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« Reply #5769 on: January 30, 2023, 10:40:17 AM »
The Biden Laptop is a classic Russian Intelligence operation . . . Over 50 #blueanon spooks   :thumbsup:

We're going to use a dossier financed by one of Vlad Putin's favorite oligarchs and put together by a British National in order to undermine the Trump Administration . . . #blueanon . . . and the lead FBI agent investigating Trump - Russia will be on the take from said Russian oligarch who is close to Vlad Putin . . .  :thumbsup:


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« Reply #5770 on: January 30, 2023, 10:43:23 AM »



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« Reply #5771 on: January 30, 2023, 10:49:27 AM »
The Biden Laptop is a classic Russian Intelligence operation . . . Over 50 #blueanon spooks   :thumbsup:

We're going to use a dossier financed by one of Vlad Putin's favorite oligarchs and put together by a British National in order to undermine the Trump Administration . . . #blueanon . . . and the lead FBI agent investigating Trump - Russia will be on the take from said Russian oligarch who is close to Vlad Putin . . .  :thumbsup:

Dax, let me ask you a question: who do you trust more, Putin or our intelligence community?

Edit: in your response, but sure to make it long and rambling only to never arrive at an answer. Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #5772 on: January 30, 2023, 10:52:07 AM »
Deflecto meter dialed up to 100 on Spracne this morning, smdh.
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« Reply #5773 on: January 30, 2023, 10:53:22 AM »
The Biden Laptop is a classic Russian Intelligence operation . . . Over 50 #blueanon spooks   :thumbsup:

We're going to use a dossier financed by one of Vlad Putin's favorite oligarchs and put together by a British National in order to undermine the Trump Administration . . . #blueanon . . . and the lead FBI agent investigating Trump - Russia will be on the take from said Russian oligarch who is close to Vlad Putin . . .  :thumbsup:

Dax, let me ask you a question: who do you trust more, Putin or our intelligence community?

It depends on who you are talking about in our intelligence community.

Spracs, let me ask you a question or two.  Are you okay with political campaigns lobbying the FBI to investigate political opponents using a dossier financed by a Russian oligarch and sourced through a 3rd party foreign national?

Are you okay with former employees of our intelligence community lining up to call any and everything they don't like Russian disinformation even though in many cases that's just complete bullshit?


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« Reply #5774 on: January 30, 2023, 10:55:30 AM »
The Biden Laptop is a classic Russian Intelligence operation . . . Over 50 #blueanon spooks   :thumbsup:

We're going to use a dossier financed by one of Vlad Putin's favorite oligarchs and put together by a British National in order to undermine the Trump Administration . . . #blueanon . . . and the lead FBI agent investigating Trump - Russia will be on the take from said Russian oligarch who is close to Vlad Putin . . .  :thumbsup:

Dax, let me ask you a question: who do you trust more, Putin or our intelligence community?

It depends on who you are talking about in our intelligence community.

Spracs, let me ask you a question or two.  Are you okay with political campaigns lobbying the FBI to investigate political opponents using a dossier financed by a Russian oligarch and sourced through a 3rd party foreign national?

Are you okay with former employees of our intelligence community lining up to call any and everything they don't like Russian disinformation even though in many cases that's just complete bullshit?

I don't care about the first because it's not true. And no, I don't care about the second, either.
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