Possible WW3 thread

[MakeItRain]

Sometimes it seems like dax is engaged in a heated argument with some sort of agent provocateur who is shadow banned to everyone else but dax.

lol, that's great

[Dugout DickStone]

Sometimes it seems like dax is engaged in a heated argument with some sort of agent provocateur who is shadow banned to everyone else but dax.

lol, that's great

half the posts are in response to no one but the voices

[sonofdaxjones]

Taking on the extreme derpitude of #neocongE is no easy task.

Most articles about the war like the one from the NYT's are written from the perspective of the U.S. military experience against Toyota pick-ups, clay huts and a few RPG's.  Not billions of dollars of high tech weaponry, massive first world surveillance including space based assets, and last by not least, the U.S./NATO propaganda machine (which taps the usual suspects into writing cheerleading articles, that for example convince people that the Afghan military was going to stop the Taliban).

The Ukrainians have burned through decades worth of production of weapons platforms and munitions supplies in a few short months and are still giving up territory and still losing men and equipment by the rail car full.  Our military leaders have completely miscalculated the level of munitions and supplies needed to fight the Russian (or similar) even in a limited war.  Trillions of dollars spent over the last 20 plus years, and they've been completely sucked into the group think of what it takes to fight 3rd world people living on rocks and in clay huts. 

[cfbandyman]

Sometimes it seems like dax is engaged in a heated argument with some sort of agent provocateur who is shadow banned to everyone else but dax.

Succinct observation

[sonofdaxjones]

#neocongE's unwillingness to acknowledge reality is a story unto itself.

The U.S. has never and will never allow a geo-strategic challenger to set up camp on its borders, near its borders, in the same hemisphere and frankly just about anywhere in the world.

Other countries think the same way, but usually only near their borders. 

Had Ukraine not allowed the U.S./NATO/EU to continuously meddle in its internal affair, there would not have been a war.

#neocongE's avoidance of these facts, does not change the facts

[Dugout DickStone]

#neocongE's unwillingness to acknowledge reality is a story unto itself.

The U.S. has never and will never allow a geo-strategic challenger to set up camp on its borders, near its borders, in the same hemisphere and frankly just about anywhere in the world.

Other countries think the same way, but usually only near their borders. 

Had Ukraine not allowed the U.S./NATO/EU to continuously meddle in its internal affair, there would not have been a war.

#neocongE's avoidance of these facts, does not change the facts

So you are calling putin a midget bald liar?  Ok, but he has very soft feelings that get hurt

[star seed 7]

#neocongE's unwillingness to acknowledge reality is a story unto itself.

The U.S. has never and will never allow a geo-strategic challenger to set up camp on its borders, near its borders, in the same hemisphere and frankly just about anywhere in the world.

Other countries think the same way, but usually only near their borders. 

Had Ukraine not allowed the U.S./NATO/EU to continuously meddle in its internal affair, there would not have been a war.

#neocongE's avoidance of these facts, does not change the facts

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Outside of Trump, Putin has to be the biggest victim on the planet:

https://twitter.com/sputnik_not/status/1605443738314182656?s=46&t=ACe0GfY1oNj0tw8gxD5s-Q

[Dugout DickStone]

yeah, the patriots are a pretty good bright line for his bullshit.  all of russia knows their only chance for any type of a win is to murder babies and civilians until ukraine capitulates. 

[Dugout DickStone]

I just heard some complete buffoon say that now patriots will fall into the wrong hands and I passed out from laughing at that idiot so hard.

[sonofdaxjones]

#neocongE political leaders have openly stated they don't care about tracking weapons in Ukraine, until they then decided months later that it was maybe a good idea . . . can't imagine why, historically Ukraine has been one of the black market arms capitals of the world.

[sonofdaxjones]

#neocongE's unwillingness to acknowledge reality is a story unto itself.

The U.S. has never and will never allow a geo-strategic challenger to set up camp on its borders, near its borders, in the same hemisphere and frankly just about anywhere in the world.

Other countries think the same way, but usually only near their borders. 

Had Ukraine not allowed the U.S./NATO/EU to continuously meddle in its internal affair, there would not have been a war.

#neocongE's avoidance of these facts, does not change the facts

Oh look, DeflectoBot.7 being unoriginal again.  #onbrand

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Just regained some respect for Lindsay Graham.  He is going to hear about this from the psycho portion of the republican base:

https://twitter.com/lindseygrahamsc/status/1605748240300883969?s=46&t=PJlFRgJ173q1iDQUK_g5zg

[Dugout DickStone]

but what was he wearing?

[sonofdaxjones]

Lindsey and McCain were rolling with the Ukrainian grift as far back as 8 years ago. 

Lindsey loved photo-ops with the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists.

Chalk Lindsey up in the fighting the Russians until the last Ukrainian camp and he pretty much told them that right to their face, which is bold. 

[Dugout DickStone]

Lindsey and McCain were rolling with the Ukrainian grift as far back as 8 years ago. 

Lindsey loved photo-ops with the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists.

Chalk Lindsey up in the fighting the Russians until the last Ukrainian camp and he pretty much told them that right to their face, which is bold.

lots of people have been calling the russians bitches to the short bald faces for years.  Not a huge power move

[sonofdaxjones]

Dug, sit this out. You didn’t even know where Ukraine was until last February.

Even Barrack Obama didn’t want much to do with them, and as I recall, the now long dead ProgLibs (replaced by #blueanonneocon) defended that policy with zeal. 

I’ll happily readdress the internal State memos asking what Uber Grifter Joe Biden and Biden Family Inc were doing in Ukraine.

BTW newly minted #neocongE hero Lindsey Graham was telling the Ukrainian ultra nationalists that the US was going to put them in the meat grinder at some point.  He wasn’t saying that to the Russians. 

[Sandstone Outcropping]

The Bulwark has a good run-down on the rightwing bootlickers from yesterday:

https://www.thebulwark.com/putins-useful-idiots-right-wingers-lose-it-over-zelensky-visit/

The question of why the Trumpian populist right is so consumed with hatred for Ukraine—a hatred that clearly goes beyond concerns about U.S. spending, a very small portion of our military budget, or about the nonexistent involvement of American troops—doesn’t have a simple answer. Partly, it’s simply partisanship: If the libs are for it, we’re against it, and the more offensively the better. (And if the pre-Trump Republican establishment is also for it, then we’re even more against it.) Partly, it’s the belief that Ukrainian democracy is a Biden/Obama/Hillary Clinton/”Deep State” project, all the more suspect because it’s related to Trump’s first impeachment. Partly, it’s the “national conservative” distaste for liberalism—not only in its American progressive iteration, but in the more fundamental sense that includes conservatives like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher: the outlook based on individual freedom and personal autonomy, equality before the law, limited government, and an international order rooted in those values. Many NatCons are far more sympathetic to Russia’s crusade against secular liberalism than to Ukraine’s desire for integration into liberal, secular Europe.

Whatever the reason, the anti-Ukraine animus on the right is quite real and widespread. (When journalist Bari Weiss, who has a largely “anti-woke” following, retweeted a Hanukkah greeting from Zelensky, the responses from her followers in the thread were mostly hostile.) But right now, it also smells of desperation. Ukraine’s cause is still massively popular in the United States, with two-thirds of Americans supportive of sending money and arms. Disingenuous laments about the poor Ukrainians exploited by American and European globalists ring hollow and false when the vast majority of Ukrainians are so clearly determined to resist the invasion. And Zelensky, as the smarter among the aid opponents, like Ungar-Sargon, can see, is a genuine hero: patriotic, incredibly courageous and charismatic, and a speaker so compelling that even congressional right-wingers who initially refused to join in the standing ovations (including Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, and Andrew Clyde) finally rose up during the last portions of his speech.

[Dugout DickStone]

Dug, sit this out. You didn’t even know where Ukraine was until last February.

Even Barrack Obama didn’t want much to do with them, and as I recall, the now long dead ProgLibs (replaced by #blueanonneocon) defended that policy with zeal. 

I’ll happily readdress the internal State memos asking what Uber Grifter Joe Biden and Biden Family Inc were doing in Ukraine.

BTW newly minted #neocongE hero Lindsey Graham was telling the Ukrainian ultra nationalists that the US was going to put them in the meat grinder at some point.  He wasn’t saying that to the Russians.

I have a spotless track record at calling the russians fat losers.  You just picked up their cause because trump told you to and you can't think for yourself.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Micheal Tracey has to be the dumbest pundit alive:

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1605944303972253698?s=20&t=3knnluMPqXzGQNx_f_yIDg

[steve dave]

The Bulwark has a good run-down on the rightwing bootlickers from yesterday:

https://www.thebulwark.com/putins-useful-idiots-right-wingers-lose-it-over-zelensky-visit/

The question of why the Trumpian populist right is so consumed with hatred for Ukraine—a hatred that clearly goes beyond concerns about U.S. spending, a very small portion of our military budget, or about the nonexistent involvement of American troops—doesn’t have a simple answer. Partly, it’s simply partisanship: If the libs are for it, we’re against it, and the more offensively the better. (And if the pre-Trump Republican establishment is also for it, then we’re even more against it.) Partly, it’s the belief that Ukrainian democracy is a Biden/Obama/Hillary Clinton/”Deep State” project, all the more suspect because it’s related to Trump’s first impeachment. Partly, it’s the “national conservative” distaste for liberalism—not only in its American progressive iteration, but in the more fundamental sense that includes conservatives like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher: the outlook based on individual freedom and personal autonomy, equality before the law, limited government, and an international order rooted in those values. Many NatCons are far more sympathetic to Russia’s crusade against secular liberalism than to Ukraine’s desire for integration into liberal, secular Europe.

Whatever the reason, the anti-Ukraine animus on the right is quite real and widespread. (When journalist Bari Weiss, who has a largely “anti-woke” following, retweeted a Hanukkah greeting from Zelensky, the responses from her followers in the thread were mostly hostile.) But right now, it also smells of desperation. Ukraine’s cause is still massively popular in the United States, with two-thirds of Americans supportive of sending money and arms. Disingenuous laments about the poor Ukrainians exploited by American and European globalists ring hollow and false when the vast majority of Ukrainians are so clearly determined to resist the invasion. And Zelensky, as the smarter among the aid opponents, like Ungar-Sargon, can see, is a genuine hero: patriotic, incredibly courageous and charismatic, and a speaker so compelling that even congressional right-wingers who initially refused to join in the standing ovations (including Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, and Andrew Clyde) finally rose up during the last portions of his speech.

That’s a good write up


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[sonofdaxjones]

 

Now we've got #blueanonneocon/#neocon rolling out with the "Arsenal of Democracy" while the Ukrainian grifter rolls in quoting FDR.

Armchair #neocons/#neocongE is an absolute parody at this point.   

Cathy leaves out about 750,000 pages worth of discussion of Ukranian corruption, U.S. meddling, coups and a whole bunch of other stuff.  But #blueanonneocon/#neocongE is long on propaganda and stupidity and short on the facts.  As usual

[sonofdaxjones]

Dug, sit this out. You didn’t even know where Ukraine was until last February.

Even Barrack Obama didn’t want much to do with them, and as I recall, the now long dead ProgLibs (replaced by #blueanonneocon) defended that policy with zeal. 

I’ll happily readdress the internal State memos asking what Uber Grifter Joe Biden and Biden Family Inc were doing in Ukraine.

BTW newly minted #neocongE hero Lindsey Graham was telling the Ukrainian ultra nationalists that the US was going to put them in the meat grinder at some point.  He wasn’t saying that to the Russians.

I have a spotless track record at calling the russians fat losers.  You just picked up their cause because trump told you to and you can't think for yourself.

I've actually been talking about Ukraine since before Trump got elected.

#neocongE - Concerned about Ukraine since Feb - '22

[wetwillie]

I thought this was a good thread. I disagree with him that Biden doesn’t have the stones to tell Ukraine no when the time inevitably comes. His decisions as Commander in Chief have been one of the only things I appreciate about his presidency

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1605899823491620866?s=46&t=s8EQFEslRkS6ZOM3LSEQMw

[sonofdaxjones]

Mykola Zlochevsky - Founder of Burisma, hasn't been seen in years.

But armchair #neocons/#neocongE is clearly unconcerned that our current President (then VPOTUS) and his family and one of their BFF's was fully immersed in that grift (along with a #blueanon most favored Republican Senator's bud)