Possible WW3 thread

[sonofdaxjones]

While @Spracne attempts to go off on one of his usual enraged deflection exercises, let's get back to the matter at hand.

I'm absolutely stunned to think that the rhetoric of the alleged pro's and adults would be used against them to justify this oingoing war by Putin.   

There is a sense in Europe that "the US is dragging everyone into a different war", said Professor François Heisbourg, a French defence analyst, citing similar comments by Mr Biden about "the butcher of Moscow" and how "Putin must go". Some wonder what Washington is trying to say – or do.

"To help Ukraine prevail is not about waging war against Russia for reasons related to its governance," Prof Heisbourg said. "Regime change may be a vision but not a war aim."

He and others said that such talk from Washington plays perfectly into Mr Putin's narrative that Nato is waging war against Russia, and that Russia is fighting a defensive war for its survival in Ukraine.

That may give Mr Putin the excuse on May 9, the annual celebration of the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany, to declare this "special military operation" a war, which would allow him, if he chooses, to mobilise the population and use conscripts widely in the battle.

Talk of victory over Russia "gives easy ammunition to the other side and creates the fear that the West may go further, and it is not what we want," said Dr Ulrich Speck, a German analyst. "We don't want to cut Russia into pieces."

Mr Gerard Araud, a former French ambassador to the US and the UN, commented on Twitter: "The support to Ukraine in its modalities and its objectives should be agreed at a political level between allies. Right now, we are sleepwalking to nobody knows where."
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https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/us-talk-of-victory-against-russia-has-some-allies-nervous

"It has to remain our goal that Russia does not win this war,"

"The perpetrators and those who commissioned them have to be held accountable"

"We won't withdraw the sanctions unless he (Putin) reaches an agreement with Ukraine, and he won't get that with a dictated peace."

"We will not accept Russia's annexation of Crimea. That was a breach of international law ... that remains true,"

Docked 2 full letter grades

I thought Chancellor Scholz's input was of value

Scholz is not quoted or discussed anywhere in that article.

But I'll address your usual deflection.    Scholz has for the most part provided nothing but lip service.   Unfortunately for Germans, he's allowing the U.S. to crush his economy.   They're currently gutting growth forecasts for the rest of the year. 

Given #neoconGe's McCarthyite tendencies, you should probably check any perceived praise of Scholz at the door.    The Stasi spoke almost . . . glowingly of the man back in the day.

DAX quoting two Frenchies and a German guy while discrediting the actual guy leading Germany is really perfect.


this post is somehow not directly related to Dax's verbatim regurgitation of Russian propaganda

Imagine supporting the government that has done more to support Russia  and Vlad Putin both militarily and financially than any country in the Western World. 

The Stasi loved the former leader of Germany’s Young Socialists, one Olaf Scholz back in the day.

[sonofdaxjones]

As leader of  Germany’s Young Socialists aka The Jusos - Scholz was considered an aggressive critic of NATO, nuclear weapons (understandable) and capitalism.


https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/revenge-scholzomat


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[steve dave]

dax, where do you get all this russian prop? fox news doesn't trot it out according to my meade, ks sources. so it's a unique non-fox-news source. who's your plug?

[sonofdaxjones]

Steve, why in your view is everything Russian propaganda?  (that doesn't affirm your beliefs)

It's super weird.   One moment the Russian's are total buffoons who having trouble fighting against what will soon collectively be about $100 billion dollars worth of western military hardware, on top of the Ukrainians getting all kinds of training, advice, intelligence and support of what is collectively a nearly $2 Trillion to $2.5 Trillion dollar military-intelligence enterprise in NATO (pro tip:  The Iraqi's and Taliban didn't have any of that, and still the U.S. couldn't truly subdue either country in over 20 years, and Afghanistan fell in hours after the US left).    Yet the Ukrainians keep needing more and more (because they either sell it off or it gets blown up by the Russians), but I digress.

On the other hand, per the SteveDave's of the world, the Russian are omnipresent across the globe.   Controlling media outlets in every Western country, installing U.S. presidents, and contolling the minds of millions upon millions of people.

At the end of the day, per #blueanonGe/#neocongE, Vlad Putin has to be the most powerful man on this earth.

[steve dave]

Just a single source is fine

[Spracne]

Just a single source is fine

[Katpappy]

Live look-in at Tucker and Don Jr:

https://twitter.com/thevictorianlp/status/1521653114268495873?s=21&t=GaC3XKNkXbwuM-it_D5O1g

Is that a pub. congressman?

[sonofdaxjones]

Just a single source is fine

I'll need the keys and the title by 8am tomorrow morning

[sonofdaxjones]

Just a single source is fine

I put a source in when I was discussing the German Chancellor.

I post sources all the time.

I'll be happy to read your breakdown besides "Putin Puppet".

cue SteveDave posting some Twitter rando

[sonofdaxjones]

Axios (known Russian Propaganda per SteveDave)

At this point we have to start asking = how many countries have to send arms to Ukraine in order to defeat those dumb Russians?   The list is copious. 

Not much talk of ending the war, tho.   A real six to midnight situation for #neoconGe

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/04/israel-weighs-increasing-military-aid-ukraine-russia

#fightinRussiauntilthelastUkranian

[sonofdaxjones]

From the Washington Post (known Russian propagandist, yet also unilaterally declared protectors of our sacred Democracy - as defined by the them)

Gosh, I just can't see how things could get muddled and foggy.    Ukrainian snitches, and then snitches on the snitches ensuring the snitches get stitches or the snitches on the snitches get stitches . . . or a 7.62 in the back of the head if the Ukrainians (mainly the Nazi's in these kinds of cases) retake an area.   

If there's one thing this part of the world isn't known for, and that's generational grudges, bad blood and feuding among indigenous populations.   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/04/ukraine-collaborators-chernihiv-fear-paranoia-villages/

Days later, after the Russian retreat from northern and central Ukraine, four investigators from the Security Service of Ukraine filed into 66-year-old Olena’s living room. She told them what she’d seen and showed them the spot where Girovka had stood and fired the flares. Other neighbors told investigators Girovka had been seen walking to and from Ukrainian positions minutes before they were shelled by Russian forces.

No one in the village has seen the neighbor since.

Who could have imagined this in a country where opposition politicians get arrested and disappeared.   Where reportedly 14,000 plus people have been killed since the Maiden coup just because their politics didn't align with whomever was in control of Ukraine on that day.

But for #neoconGe, everything is just cut and dry.

Hell, they don't even know if Mykola Zlochevsky - Founder of Burisma is even alive or where he's at . . . but he sure does show up in a lot of articles about Ukrainian corruption.   

[LickNeckey]

yes Ukrainians are unique in being angry about betrayal

[Dugout DickStone]

yes Ukrainians are unique in being angry about betrayal

dax is fascinating itt.  It will be its own volume and possibly his masterpiece.

[Cire]

Hell, they don't even know if Mykola Zlochevsky - Founder of Burisma is even alive or where he's at . . . but he sure does show up in a lot of articles about Ukrainian corruption.   

Now we're getting somewhere

[sonofdaxjones]

Nothing is more fascinating then watching allegedly smart people continuously parrot the information they're fed by State, DOD and the intelligence agencies as 100% fact.

A smart person would see that the U.S. efforts to get everyone they can to send weapons to Ukraine needs a continuous feed of Russian atrocity narratives.   

It walks right in hand with:  The Iraqi's are dumping newborns out of incubators, Iraq has WMD's, Saddam works with Al Qaeda,  Assad used chemical weapons, Qaddafi rapes everybody. 

Yet #neoconGe never seems to learn.

Sad

Only the derpiest derp doesn't understand what's going on with all the snitching in mega corrupt Ukraine.

[Dugout DickStone]

Nothing is more fascinating then watching allegedly smart people continuously parrot the information they're fed by State, DOD and the intelligence agencies as 100% fact.

Watching never smart people defend putins war of baby killing based on the epochtimes is a close second though. 

[Sandstone Outcropping]

This is interesting. Illia started posting stuff like this when the counterattacks that pushed Russia out of area around Kiev began:

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1522192282765733888?s=20&t=Z5uIGieBahWiXL_U4qQ_hw

Also, Patron the bomb-sniffing dog is awesome and now has his own twitter account:

https://twitter.com/PatronDsns/status/1521000820308955136?s=20&t=Z5uIGieBahWiXL_U4qQ_hw

[sonofdaxjones]

Nothing is more fascinating then watching allegedly smart people continuously parrot the information they're fed by State, DOD and the intelligence agencies as 100% fact.

Watching never smart people defend putins war of baby killing based on the epochtimes is a close second though.

I was talking about NATO encroachment and Ukraine issues years ago.

For you this is just the newest thing to be a derp about.

BTW, your Ukrainian Nazi’s have been murdering people including children for decades.  That walks hand in hand with the NYT snitch article I posted.

Remember they’ve even threatened to kill Zelensky.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Peripheral to the main thrust of this thread but does contain some entertaining repartee:

https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1522289112212033543?s=20&t=IAhf0T4n0BSYA2822o09dA

[steve dave]

Peripheral to the main thrust of this thread but does contain some entertaining repartee:

https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1522289112212033543?s=20&t=IAhf0T4n0BSYA2822o09dA

found dax's burner

[Dugout DickStone]

Nothing is more fascinating then watching allegedly smart people continuously parrot the information they're fed by State, DOD and the intelligence agencies as 100% fact.

Watching never smart people defend putins war of baby killing based on the epochtimes is a close second though.

I was talking about NATO encroachment and Ukraine issues years ago.

For you this is just the newest thing to be a derp about.

BTW, your Ukrainian Nazi’s have been murdering people including children for decades.  That walks hand in hand with the NYT snitch article I posted.

Remember they’ve even threatened to kill Zelensky.

Russian nazis have been murdering women and children too.  So have russian SOCIALISTS

leave it dax to side with the SOCIALISTS

[sys]

ryan grim is a sack of crap.

[sonofdaxjones]

Peripheral to the main thrust of this thread but does contain some entertaining repartee:

https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1522289112212033543?s=20&t=IAhf0T4n0BSYA2822o09dA

found dax's burner

#blueanonNeoCon/#neoconGe parroting of US propaganda shall not be questioned!!! (Stevedave).


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[sonofdaxjones]

Nothing is more fascinating then watching allegedly smart people continuously parrot the information they're fed by State, DOD and the intelligence agencies as 100% fact.

Watching never smart people defend putins war of baby killing based on the epochtimes is a close second though.

I was talking about NATO encroachment and Ukraine issues years ago.

For you this is just the newest thing to be a derp about.

BTW, your Ukrainian Nazi’s have been murdering people including children for decades.  That walks hand in hand with the NYT snitch article I posted.

Remember they’ve even threatened to kill Zelensky.

Russian nazis have been murdering women and children too.  So have russian SOCIALISTS

leave it dax to side with the SOCIALISTS

The socialists??

Oh my word.


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[sonofdaxjones]

ryan grim is a sack of crap.

You just described all the #neocons you glom on to . . .